I was offered a Palit and low end MSI 5090
interesting, so there is some trickle of cards. I have sen Palit ones pop up as well but not much, if anything from MSI.
Trying to sell a 2 year or 3 year contract
are you talking business users? or consumers?
I thought 5000 series were always about gamers, or correct me if I am wrong.
Also whats the point of marketing momentum and creating hype when you cant actually get the cards into peoples hands. I mean yes, have restricted volume but have SOMETHING on a decent scale. Like Apple and their phones in first 2-3 months of a launch. You can get one but takes 4-6 weeks, but you will get one. With the 5090 cards, nobody has a clue what will happen with their preorders.
I reckon Mwave will call me when the card arrives and tell me that price has gone up and I can either accept the price and pay the difference or give up the card.
Glad I picked up the msi 5070ti gaming OC last week for $1,850. It’s not going to get cheaper. I doubt the 9070xt release will correct pricing
Not sure if it will correct pricing, but by the sounds of it, at least they will have decent volumes of cards which may arrest the climb? (fingers crossed) .
I will wait to buy 5080 same like 4080 for 1,500$ Pretty much will wait about 2 years but oh well, paying more is just waste of money
I hope you are right, but I suspect you will be waiting for more then 2 years to see a 5080 at that price.
This is by design. It’s ultra-modern capitalism – artificially (I say fraudulently) limit supply, to increase demand, therefore justify prices.
Lets not get overly paranoid.
Nvidia is making huge money on AI and AI is very likely taking the lions share of NVidia's FAB allocations. Retail GPU's are very likely relegated to fairly low priority at least for now, its more of a case of just getting something out there to keep the market moving and not allow AMD free reign, if sales are a little mediocre meh!
Looks like MSI has hiked all of it 5000 series MSRP prices. I expect the rest will follow the same direction.
The MSRP price was largely BS anyway, I doubt technically increasing it will have any real impact on actual retail prices.
Was it what you expected in performance and clarity or better, though it depends on what you came from to the new upgrade.
I'm coming from a 1070, so I think that speaks for itself. Haha.
Call from scorptec offering a 5090 due to my order of the msrp tuff being cancelled release night, they were offering a palit with a time-frame of mid march to give people a idea of when more stock might be coming in. 7k, its so funny that this is the actual price.
7k, its so funny that this is the actually price.
Wow... so some of those people who bought cards from Scalpers just after launch got a "bargain"
The crazy train continues to steam on.
Wow... so some of those people who bought cards from Scalpers just after launch got a "bargain"
The crazy train continues to steam on
Yeah, pretty similar price everywhere, will be interesting to see where it lands in afew months, I think it will be 5-5.5k unfortunately.
Which suggests, as I've alluded to, they knew about the issue
No it doesn't. It just means that once aware of the issue, they were able to determine the number affected chips pretty quickly. The speed of which was previously used as "evidence" that Nvidia released them on purpose.
There's just no way this sort of issue should ever get through QC.
No it shouldn't, but QC is just another process which can have errors or bugs just like any other.
I know it's popular at the moment to attribute everything Nvidia does to malice, as some sort of cartoon moustache twirling villain. The reality is that the consumer GPU market is just not worth the reputational risk to their QC processes for their DC products.
I was offered a Palit and low end MSI 5090 yesterday by a retailer and knocked it back as neither model was what I was after. That being said the price they wanted for those models was highway robbery.
Nice, I hope everyone keeps knocking back retailer offers for cards that they are pushing at stupid prices so that they realise that it is not as easy to sell at this price.
No it shouldn't, but QC is just another process which can have errors or bugs just like any other.
The number of ROPS reported would be based on the information burned into its register. Just like if you had damaged ROPS, GPU-Z will still report that ROPS as being there, but you would get errors and crashing. For these cards to report back in GPU-Z that the ROPS are lower by 8, means that the register was set to report back fewer ROPS. My speculation is that Nvidia knew about the lower yields, made a decision to register them with 8 fewer ROPS and sell them anyway. It got out not because they didn't think users would find out (every enthusiast uses GPU-Z nowadays), but because they were arrogant enough to believe that users would just accept 8 fewer ROPS because supply was much lower than demand.
Scorptec still showing stock of this 5070 Ti at MSRP: https://www.scorptec.com.au/p
Can't speak to that particular AIB/card but in the current environment, anything at MSRP seems like a decent deal!
Made me shed a tear to see cards at MSRP being seen as deals, the marked is cooked, God only knows when this trend will end.
Scorptec still showing stock of this 5070 Ti at MSRP: https://www.scorptec.com.au/p
Ugly looking mofo lol. But RRP is RRP.
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Ugly looking mofo lol.
Never have, never will have a TG side panel on my case. Looks matter not :D
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Ugly looking mofo lol. But RRP is RRP.
So with a little bit of O/Cing it gives about the same performance as a 4080S that was that price 3 months ago. The mind boggles :P
So with a little bit of O/Cing it gives about the same performance as a 4080S that was that price 3 months ago. The mind boggles :P
Don't think it even needs OCing. They are basically within the margin-of-error of each other at 4K, although the 4080S is about 2% faster in 1440p (per TPU) – I think anyone would struggle to pick a 2% difference in either direction.
4080S that was that price 3 months ago. The mind boggles :P
Hindsight is a wonderful thing :P Was even cheaper further back than that!
The number of ROPS reported would be based on the information burned into its register.
This information is set by the station doing the testing. This is not inconsistent with mis-configuration of the station. The station has set correct information based on the number of active ROPs. However the active ROP count is off by one.
means that the register was set to report back fewer ROPS.
Or it's just accurately reporting back the number of active ROP units.
My speculation is that Nvidia knew about the lower yields
I've seen nothing to suggest that 5080 yields have been lower than expected. 5090 yields are expected to be ~40%, this is just a consequence of the die size, and part of why the 5090 is more expensive than 2x 5080.
made a decision to register them with 8 fewer ROPS and sell them anyway
You're saying that Nvidia knowingly engaged in fraud. This is cartoonish villain stuff, I just don't see it as being very likely. The upside is not worth the downside. Besides there is no evidence that the current card shortage is due to a shortage of dies, which would be required for that scenario.
Everything I've seen so far is that the shortage is due to die availability being too close to Chinese New Year, and board assembly shutting down. In that scenario, Nvidia increasing die supply via cutting corners on QC does nothing to increase end user supply.
The simplest answer is that Nvidia made a mistake in QC. Automated QC is great at handling a large volume of products quickly, but automation swings both ways, it's also a great way of making a large number of errors quickly.
and there is still no stock or any updates from AIB manufacturers.
Nope.
Number one reason this generation is nVidia selling the chips for datacentre AI. zero interest in offering the chips to the general market.
The "release" has more to do with meeting share holder expectations than making gamers happy.
Call from scorptec offering a 5090 due to my order of the msrp tuff being cancelled release night,
Not sure if they are tying to be helpful, or trying to decide if they want to place an order with their wholesaler at that price without a confirmed customer wanting it.
Not sure if they are tying to be helpful, or trying to decide if they want to place an order with their wholesaler at that price without a confirmed customer wanting it.
They have them, and are price gouging them hard. They're attempting to look like they're looking after their customers whose pre-orders they cancelled, meanwhile offering them an unconscionable over 70% markup. It's disgusting, tbh.