Go to navigation
User #122478   2504 posts
Whirlpool Forums Addict
https://whrl.pl/RgB3k7
herring | anchor | mark
posted 2023-Jun-30, 7:39 am
https://whrl.pl/RgB3k7
posted 2023-Jun-30, 7:39 am

Would a 4070 RTX Ti be overkill for my Ryzen 5 5600x CPU?

User #611873 18809 posts
Whirlpool Forums Addict
https://whrl.pl/RgB3lk
herring | anchor | mark
posted 2023-Jun-30, 7:43 am
https://whrl.pl/RgB3lk
posted 2023-Jun-30, 7:43 am

nuGeorge writes...

Would a 4070 RTX Ti be overkill for my Ryzen 5 5600x CPU?

If it is then my 5800x is definitely being overkilled by my 4080.

The answer is no.

User #676758   1770 posts
Whirlpool Enthusiast
https://whrl.pl/RgB3my
herring | anchor | mark
posted 2023-Jun-30, 8:21 am
edited moments later
https://whrl.pl/RgB3my
posted 2023-Jun-30, 8:21 am (edited)

bitpushr writes...

The 30 series ran hot. That's that Samsung node for you.

They most definitely didn’t.

GPU core temps were kept well in check.

User #611873 18809 posts
Whirlpool Forums Addict
https://whrl.pl/RgB3nf
herring | anchor | mark
posted 2023-Jun-30, 8:31 am
https://whrl.pl/RgB3nf
posted 2023-Jun-30, 8:31 am

Tiigger writes...

They most definitely didn’t.

GPU core temps were kept well in check.

in comparsion to 4080 so far in my experience they were a bbq.

User #3298   56 posts
Forum Regular
https://whrl.pl/RgB3rb
herring | anchor | mark
posted 2023-Jun-30, 9:35 am
https://whrl.pl/RgB3rb
posted 2023-Jun-30, 9:35 am
User #332211   11633 posts
Whirlpool Forums Addict
https://whrl.pl/RgB3rV
herring | anchor | mark
posted 2023-Jun-30, 9:46 am
https://whrl.pl/RgB3rV
posted 2023-Jun-30, 9:46 am

bitpushr writes...

The 30 series ran hot. That's that Samsung node for you.

Tiigger writes...

They most definitely didn’t.

GPU core temps were kept well in check.

On my 3080, I find that if I set the power limit and voltage to get 95% of the stated performance, it runs super cool, like 55 C. But as soon as I set power limits to 110% and up the voltage a bit to get to 100%+ and higher performance, it gets real hot, going up to over 70 C. I see that I roughly have to put in up to 20% more power, just to get 7-10% more performance. That is the limitation of the Samsung node, the clocks can't go higher without a significant voltage and hence power increase. the 4nm 4080 and 4090 doesn't have this issue and hence has much higher stock clocks at a lower voltage. Performance per watt is roughly doubled between 4090 and 3090.

User #676758   1770 posts
Whirlpool Enthusiast
https://whrl.pl/RgB3x4
herring | anchor | mark
posted 2023-Jun-30, 10:49 am
edited moments later
https://whrl.pl/RgB3x4
posted 2023-Jun-30, 10:49 am (edited)

Sleepycat writes...

On my 3080, I find that if I set the power limit and voltage to get 95% of the stated performance, it runs super cool, like 55 C. But as soon as I set power limits to 110% and up the voltage a bit to get to 100%+ and higher performance, it gets real hot, going up to over 70 C

BTW – 70c is not "real hot".

where's_that_cake writes...

in comparsion to 4080 so far in my experience they were a bbq.

Yes 40 series is most definitely better but the 30 series doesn't run hot in absolute terms.

Sleepycat writes...

Performance per watt is roughly doubled between 4090 and 3090.

I'm well aware of that and can verify when comparing my old 3080 to my 4090.

I see that I roughly have to put in up to 20% more power, just to get 7-10% more performance.

This is a similar case with the 40 series.

User #332211   11633 posts
Whirlpool Forums Addict
https://whrl.pl/RgB3zl
herring | anchor | mark
posted 2023-Jun-30, 11:09 am
https://whrl.pl/RgB3zl
posted 2023-Jun-30, 11:09 am

Tiigger writes...

BTW – 70c is not "real hot".

Just showing what the difference in temperatures would be. Going from 55 to 70 C is a 27% temperature increase, for just a 5% performance increase. Not worth even going for that remaining 5%.

User #784441   8160 posts
Whirlpool Forums Addict
https://whrl.pl/RgB3Q7
herring | anchor | mark
posted 2023-Jun-30, 3:27 pm
https://whrl.pl/RgB3Q7
posted 2023-Jun-30, 3:27 pm

Sleepycat writes...

Going from 55 to 70 C is a 27% temperature increase, for just a 5% performance increase.

Percentage increases for such a temperature don't make sense, because Celsius is an arbitrary scale and the percentage changes depending on which temperature scale you use... in the absolute Kelvin scale, 70C = 343.15K is 4.57% above 55C = 328.15K.

On a somewhat more on topic comment, I fired up Diablo 3 last night and at 3440x1440 my RTX 3080 TUF had temperatures around 55C (65C hotspot), in a Fractal Design Define R5 (which is far from an airflow focused case)... the 3080 was a lot cooler than my old GTX 1070 Ti, but that's probably because the 1070 Ti had to work harder and had a much smaller and lighter heatsink.

User #54694   5524 posts
Whirlpool Forums Addict
https://whrl.pl/RgB3Rr
herring | anchor | mark
posted 2023-Jun-30, 3:32 pm
https://whrl.pl/RgB3Rr
posted 2023-Jun-30, 3:32 pm

where's_that_cake writes...

in comparsion to 4080 so far in my experience they were a bbq.

Slap a 4080 cooler on to a 3080 card and I bet it would run colder as well.

User #664242   3867 posts
Whirlpool Forums Addict
https://whrl.pl/RgB4y8
herring | anchor | mark
posted 2023-Jul-1, 1:23 am
https://whrl.pl/RgB4y8
posted 2023-Jul-1, 1:23 am

Tony writes...

Slap a 4080 cooler on to a 3080 card and I bet it would run colder as well.

Any card depends on various factors, its cooler, current season- which case you slap it in and other cooling measures- other components generating heat. You could put one of those 4080s in one of the heat death trap cases that came out for a spell and you'd see higher temps than a 3080 in a case with good airflow.

It's pretty rare for my card to push that hard for temps- running a 3080 at 1080p with a framerate limit makes temperature control easy outside of something broken like The Outer Worlds next gen version at its launch a few months back.
An even better RTX 4xxx series cooler would probably do better- I had a terrible cooler on my 2070 placeholder stock I assume made for MSRP card and its temps were perpetually worse than the 3080 has gotten even when it wasn't strained at all.

Main issue with the chonk coolers is strain on the motherboard (I use a GPU support brace). There are two things I'd like to see in a case were I ever to change this one which I like- I assume vertical/dependent on case and not motherboard's going to become more common- but also I'd honestly prefer a flashback to acrylic panels.
A decent cooler otherwise is a better inclusion than RGB.

User #54694   5524 posts
Whirlpool Forums Addict
https://whrl.pl/RgB4A5
herring | anchor | mark
posted 2023-Jul-1, 3:05 am
https://whrl.pl/RgB4A5
posted 2023-Jul-1, 3:05 am

Replica Velocity writes...

Any card depends on various factors, its cooler, current season- which case you slap it in and other cooling measures- other components generating heat.

Sure, I'm just pointing out something in most of the above discussion that was basically missed.

The listed Total Graphics Power of the 4080 and the 3080 is basically the same (well the 3080 10GB is the same on Nvidia specs, the later 3080 12GB is actually 30W more).

While basically every cooler on the 4080 is way bigger then anything that was shipped on a 3080. So it's not that surprising a 4080 runs at a lower temperature.

User #767646   29982 posts
Whirlpool Forums Addict
https://whrl.pl/RgB4Bh
herring | anchor | mark
posted 2023-Jul-1, 3:44 am
edited moments later
https://whrl.pl/RgB4Bh
posted 2023-Jul-1, 3:44 am (edited)

Tiigger writes...

They most definitely didn’t.

Comparatively speaking, vs the 40 series, they ran hot. And we're speaking comparatively, because you quoted a post of mine that was responding to someone talking about 40 series temps compared to the 30 series.

As Sleepycat mentioned above, it also doesn't take much to send Ampere off the rails in terms of efficiency due to the worse node.

User #332211   11633 posts
Whirlpool Forums Addict
https://whrl.pl/RgB4LJ
herring | anchor | mark
posted 2023-Jul-1, 10:13 am
https://whrl.pl/RgB4LJ
posted 2023-Jul-1, 10:13 am

Tony writes...

The listed Total Graphics Power of the 4080 and the 3080 is basically the same (well the 3080 10GB is the same on Nvidia specs, the later 3080 12GB is actually 30W more).

Even with the same power draw, the 4080 would be running at a much higher clock and have a higher performance/watt measurement. So if someone was gaming at 1440p, same settings, to whatever framerate they have G-sync or freesync set to, the 4080 would reach that fps while using less power. It is essentially idle for part of the time, whereas the 3080 would be on a heavier power draw just to get to that same fps.

I do agree that the 4080 did not need such a big cooler. If only EVGA had some 4080's. I've love a 4080 XC3 Ultra, 2.2 slot card!

User #9111   8687 posts
Whirlpool Forums Addict
https://whrl.pl/RgB4Oc
herring | anchor | mark
posted 2023-Jul-1, 10:50 am
https://whrl.pl/RgB4Oc
posted 2023-Jul-1, 10:50 am

Sleepycat writes...

I do agree that the 4080 did not need such a big cooler. If only EVGA had some 4080's. I've love a 4080 XC3 Ultra, 2.2 slot card!

Would anyone be able to clarify if 2.2 slot is any better then 3 slot as far as not blocking PCIE slots, or is it the case that 2.anything would block any pcie slot a 3 slot would block, and so there actually is no advantage to 2.* slot cards except for better air flow. Such an example might be 2x GPU's

User #767646   29982 posts
Whirlpool Forums Addict
https://whrl.pl/RgB53j
herring | anchor | mark
posted 2023-Jul-2, 4:10 am
https://whrl.pl/RgB53j
posted 2023-Jul-2, 4:10 am

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-shows-off-rtx-4060-ti-graphics-card-with-m-2-ssd-slot

Now you get integrated graphics with your PCIe M.2 add-in cards ;)

User #332211   11633 posts
Whirlpool Forums Addict
https://whrl.pl/RgB7FC
herring | anchor | mark
posted 2023-Jul-3, 1:41 am
https://whrl.pl/RgB7FC
posted 2023-Jul-3, 1:41 am

UV writes...

Would anyone be able to clarify if 2.2 slot is any better then 3 slot as far as not blocking PCIE slots, or is it the case that 2.anything would block any pcie slot a 3 slot would block, and so there actually is no advantage to 2.* slot cards except for better air flow. Such an example might be 2x GPU's

Most motherboards now have the 2nd slot located 3 slots down. So if you were not using the 2nd PCIe slot, then you don't need a 2.2 slot card. If you were using the 2nd PCIe slot, then 3 slot would be right up against a full height card. You would be better with 2.9 slot card than a 3 slot card. Many 3 slot cards for the 4090 are actually 3.2 or 3.3 slots.

User #604788   3389 posts
Whirlpool Forums Addict
https://whrl.pl/RgB84e
herring | anchor | mark
posted 2023-Jul-4, 2:13 am
edited moments later
https://whrl.pl/RgB84e
posted 2023-Jul-4, 2:13 am (edited)

Sleepycat writes...

What specific model of 4080 is it? Also,

4080 Aorus Waterforce Extreme...Even with fans at 100% and pump running at 100%, Afterburner power limit at 140% and Core Voltage at +100, OC settings as previous post: +100 core/+750 mem, I'm getting a Reliability Voltage PerfCap Reason in GPU-Z while running anything from Timespy/Extreme to Speedway, to Minecraft.

GPU-Z also says that when it's hitting PerfCap VRel, it's also reporting that it's using about 80% TDP at ~278w Board Power Draw, which means that despite Afterburner settings and the BIOS, it's still stuck at the 'default' 320w TDP.

User #900720   4670 posts
Whirlpool Forums Addict
https://whrl.pl/RgB9nl
herring | anchor | mark
posted 2023-Jul-4, 11:31 am
https://whrl.pl/RgB9nl
posted 2023-Jul-4, 11:31 am

where's_that_cake writes...

If it is then my 5800x is definitely being overkilled by my 4080.

I run the same combo as you. It's great.

nuGeorge writes...

Would a 4070 RTX Ti be overkill for my Ryzen 5 5600x CPU?

As cake said, it'll work fine.

bitpushr writes...

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-shows-off-rtx-4060-ti-graphics-card-with-m-2-ssd-slot

Now you get integrated graphics with your PCIe M.2 add-in cards ;)

I honestly would buy something like this (assuming it worked well). Big GPUs take up the space to use the other PCI-e slots, so if your mobo has only a handful of M.2 slots, this is a cool option imo.

User #7734   1504 posts
Whirlpool Enthusiast
https://whrl.pl/RgB9nw
herring | anchor | mark
posted 2023-Jul-4, 11:33 am
edited moments later
https://whrl.pl/RgB9nw
posted 2023-Jul-4, 11:33 am (edited)

Naca-Yoda writes...

Official price from Nvidia Australia is "RTX 4060 Starting at AUD $545"

Galax GeForce RTX 4060 1-Click OC 2X Graphics Card from CentreCom.com.au $489 inc delivery.

10% below SRP.

(I would still choose a 2nd hand 3060 Ti for less $$).