Even smartphone only users want WiFi where possible
Makes sense, and most that I know are happy to be mobile only at home and use work, uni, etc for the larger data downloads/uploads. A link to the article we are discussing in case it was overlooked.
Not sure if people grasp the shift towards mobile, an article in PC highlights the growing trend amongst the younger generation, with surveys revealing the following from PC's article
" Most notable about the report, however, is that one in four teens are "cell mostly" Internet users, meaning they primarily use their mobile devices to access the Web rather than a desktop or laptop computer. Among smartphone owners, that number rises to 50 percent."
with the growing trend towards smartphone usage increasing does this bring NBN's current model into question, I am not versed enough to offer a valid opinion in this scenario but it does concern me.
and most likely this usage is for twitter, facebook etc. which kids have their faces stuck in all day. Small posts using small amounts of bandwidth. So do you suggest that the network design should be structured around the figures in PC mag?
The real figures are these
Data downloaded by fixed-line broadband accounted for 94% of all internet downloads in the three months ended 30 June 2012.
and
The volume of data downloaded by fixed-line broadband increased by 21% since the three months ended 31 December 2011. Data downloaded using wireless broadband also continued to grow, recording a 9% increase compared to the three months ended 31 December 2011.
Yes mobile data is up..... fixed line data is also up by nearly 3 times as much as mobile data.
http://www.abs.gov.au/aussta
The answer you seek is simple... if you just look..
So a few weeks ago I wrote to both my local federal members (after first mistakenly writing to my local member)
My letter to Martin Zaiter, Liberal Party:
Hi Martin,
My name is <real name> and I am one of the residents within your electorate, in <suburb>. I recently moved into a townhouse in <street name>, which my wife and I both love.
I do have a problem with the place however, which I'd interested in getting your thoughts on. We are connected to the Eastwood telephone exchange, which due to the distance, puts me on the outer fringes of its service area. The physical distance of the cabling involved means that my internet connect is of extremely poor quality, often cutting out. For example, although ADSL2+ services are technically capable of up to 24Mbps, my current connection speed averages about 3Mbps. Regardless of this, I am paying the same price as somebody who lives nearer to the exchange and does receive those speeds. I work in IT and am passionate about it, so this is important for both my career and my own personal interests and hobbies.
I understand that I live in a Telstra cable area, and I have enquired with them but they will not connect me. Apparently this is because there is only one connection provisioned for my block of 7 townhouses, so I can't have a cable connection because my neighbours can't have it, if that makes sense.
Our area is currently not scheduled for the National Broadband Network – I have checked with their website and we are not even on their 3 year plan. Therefore I read with keen interest that the Liberal Party intends to deliver broadband cheaper and faster than Labor. However, my concern, having acquainted myself with Malcolm Turnbull's thoughts on the matter, is that under his proposed plan I'm not going to benefit from this at all because he has stated that areas serviced by HFC (i.e. Telstra's cable network) will be assigned lowest priority.
So I am very concerned that my home, my neighbours', and many other townhouse and apartment dwellers in your electorate, will be relegated to having the worst internet connections in Australia (including rural areas) and which will no doubt also have a negative impact on house value.
I'd really appreciate if you could help voice my concerns to Mr. Turnbull and others who may be involved in developing the Liberal party policy. Please let me know if I can help any further, by providing more information, or meeting to discuss this in person. You can contact me via return e-mail, or on my mobile on <mobile number>.
I hope others think that this reads as fairly impartial. Wasn't going for technical accuracy, nor trying to be accusatory or necessarily disparaging of the Coalition's plans, although I couldn't help a slight dig since there's really no way of being polite about something that is truly bad.
Predictably, no response.
----
My letter to Julie Owen Labor, current member for Parramatta. Obviously, being supportive of the NBN gave me scope to be a little more expressive:
Hi Julie, my name is <real name> and I live in your electorate. I have a deep concern about the NBN in relation to the upcoming election. <suburb> is within the service area of Telstra Cable. However, because I live in a townhouse in a block of 7, Telstra will not connect me to a cable plan for technical reasons. Under the Coalition's "cheaper and faster" alternative broadband policy, I – and all other apartment and townhouse dwellers in my area – will be relegated to a digital backwater as Malcolm Turnbull's plans will put us at the back of the queue for upgrades.
I would like to urge you to emphasise the NBN in your campaign for the upcoming election, to make sure that voters in our area are fully aware of this situation, which will have a quantifiable effect on their future quality of life, the desirability of our suburbs and hence property values.
Thank you for your consideration.
Response:
Hi <name>,
Thanks very much for your email. Yes I know a lot of people are concerned about the Coalition’s position on high speed broadband if they’re elected. I am reminding people about this when I talk to them and the Prime Minister is doing the same.
I appreciate you approaching me about this. I’ll keep you posted about developments in this area
Please let me know if there’s anything else I can do for you.
Regards,
Julie Owens
Pretty generic response, but I think if enough people write to their local members with their concerns, they will understand that it's a priority issue and feature it strongly in their local campaigns (after all, voters don't vote for the Prime Minister, just their local members).
Pretty generic response, but I think if enough people write to their local members with their concerns
I wish. Our local member is Labor and has been for 15 years....not likely to change so it would be fairly pointless for me. I'll be writing to my Liberal MP....but they're not gonna get in anyway....
The real figures are these
Data downloaded by fixed-line broadband accounted for 94% of all internet downloads in the three months ended 30 June 2012.
and
The volume of data downloaded by fixed-line broadband increased by 21% since the three months ended 31 December 2011. Data downloaded using wireless broadband also continued to grow, recording a 9% increase compared to the three months ended 31 December 2011.
Yes mobile data is up..... fixed line data is also up by nearly 3 times as much as mobile data.
Yes that fits the growing trend that I have noticed, many people choosing mobile only at home and using fixed line at work, uni, cafes etc for the larger data downloads. It just doesn't make sense to download large volumes of data over mobile wireless.
I'll be writing to my Liberal MP....but they're not gonna get in anyway....
Just curious as to how big of a swing would be needed.
Just curious as to how big of a swing would be needed.
Actually, I got something wrong....it's not been ALP for 15 years....but for 25 years....Mind you, the boundaries have changed alot over that time.
Oh and it would require a 14 point swing....not likely.
Also, the Lib member that ran last time is now Mayor...and the whole Council are now under investigation for Corruption.....
Also, the Lib member that ran last time is now Mayor...and the whole Council are now under investigation for Corruption.....
Hehe, a safe Labor seat then.
I've stayed away from commenting in the NBN debate. Have comments in articles like this always been so "trolly"?
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4570360.html
I mean, there are essentially 3 points brought up by those opposed and they are all rubbish.
1. OMG my tax dollars! $40B now becoming $100B (uninformed)
2. No CBA (uninformed)
3. Yeah, we really need to download porn that fast. What could we ever possibly need that speed for?!?! (No forward thinking or comprehension of technology/possibilities)
Is that what to expect in all the comment sections of article about the NBN??
Makes sense, and most that I know are happy to be mobile only at home and use work, uni, etc for the larger data downloads/uploads.
And nearly all those teenagers you referred to in FUD Part 6, live in houses with 1 or more Adults.
And most of those Adults have an ADSL/2+ or HFC Fixed Line Broadband service in the property, which supplies the Fixed Line Internet to the teenagers smartphones or tablets, when at home, via wifi, as well as providing internet to laptops and desktops and other internet enabled devices at home.
Is that what to expect in all the comment sections of article about the NBN??
There's usually a few more, like "OMG wireless is a billionty times better" and such, but otherwise, yes.
I mean, there are essentially 3 points brought up by those opposed and they are all rubbish.
1. OMG my tax dollars! $40B now becoming $100B (uninformed)
2. No CBA (uninformed)
3. Yeah, we really need to download porn that fast. What could we ever possibly need that speed for?!?! (No forward thinking or comprehension of technology/possibilities)
Is that what to expect in all the comment sections of article about the NBN??
Yep pretty much that, and a scattering of serious people who have some genuine concerns, with mine being the doubts of actually building the NBN with its current model, but I need to wait until the contract issues are brought out into the open as I was rightly criticised for referencing situations that could not be substantiated at this point in time.
And my concerns over the changing demographics of this country where more and more people are choosing mobile wireless for home, and using other fixed broadband means for their data downloading.
Its a current demographic change that appears to be occurring with no easy answers, with the current shift towards renting at the expense of home ownership as one possible contributor to the growing trend of mobile only at home and the record low in first home owners as highlighted this week, http://www.abc.net.au/news/20
not to mention housing affordability also playing a roll.
So I guess from someone sitting on the fence waiting for more details the old line of don't worry about it as the current NBN model will pay for itself just isn't sufficient to satisfy my concerns.
Hehe, a safe Labor seat then.
Lol...yeah.
It's actually hilarious the whole situation because the entire Shire knew they were corrupt as soon as they were voted in only 6 months ago....but its' only now coming out.
Is that what to expect in all the comment sections of article about the NBN??
Unfortunately Whirlpool is not the only place where we see rusted on political adherents providing, "politically correct" for their party, comments to articles.
Generally this commentary is not just dated but is misleading and it is not just in the NBN debate that this happens. It happened when mandatory ISP filtering was being discussed a couple of years ago. The lead purveyors of misinformation then were from an entirely different supporter base to the anti-NBN crowd.
The only good thing about these robots is that they tend to continually regurgitate the same material regardless of where they post so it makes it easy to pick them out quickly and avoid their dross.
There's usually a few more, like "OMG wireless is a billionty times better" and such, but otherwise, yes
Ignorance prevails and is the friend of the FUDster.
Yes that fits the growing trend that I have noticed, many people choosing mobile only at home and using fixed line at work, uni, cafes etc for the larger data downloads.
So by your reckoning most people are using mobile data at home....
what rubbish.
The "mobile data" at home is more often than not running off a fixed line connection... just because the device is mobile, doesn't equate to the connection being mobile.
again... 94% of data is via FIXED LINE.
Its a current demographic change that appears to be occurring with no easy answers, with the current shift towards renting at the expense of home ownership
Actually, HOPEFULLY the NBN will allow renters a MUCH easier time of getting fixed line. The problem nowadays is the sheer amount of time and effort it takes to get a fixed line up and running or changed to a new address (cough*Telstra*cough). If you DON'T want to keep your previous number, you might be lucky and it'll take 3 days. If you do, 10 days minimum with as much as 48 hours without a connection at all.
NBN? 4 hours.