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posted 2010-Sep-6, 12:15 pm
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IPv6 isn't just IPv4 with extra knobs. Adding it into a codebase implies a heavyweight process. Its 200kLOC. I suspect that any CPE implementation is smaller, I am betting that IPSEC and V6 multicast/anycast is not there. I would love to believe a linux kernel or BSD kernel would 'just work' -But with other hats on, I cannot fault Billion for being cautious in their deployment.

Supply chain dynamics are complicated. I asked Alain Durand, the IPv6 proponent in Comcast (at that time) about it, and the indications I got back are that 6 months lead time on a major revision to product was normal. A bug could be hugely disruptive to that process and it goes directly to the bottom line. Imagine where IPv6 sits in their planning if they have real NAT issues? Which one affects more customers right now? How much revenue does Billion get if they retrofit IPv6 into existing product?

I wish the IPv6 in the 7800NL was tunnel enabled, I wish my ISP had either a tunnel head, or native ATM bearer implementation, but neither is true. Wishing isn't going to help here. Some realism and a willingness to pay might, and thats why I bought a 7800NL: My ISP might not support it yet (TPG) but I put money on the table to try and do "my bit"

So I am still glad Billion has begun the process to get something 'out there' even if I'm having to accept some realities.

-G

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posted 2010-Sep-6, 6:44 pm
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Greg Williams writes...

People don't go to a store and buy a modem based on a chipset. They go based on what features are listed and the reputation of the company.

If Billion can't produce firmware for their current premier models for IPv6 then this will damage their reputation.

I agree with this, I think the least Billion can do is put IPv6 ready! stickers on the models which can (or will do) IPv6 – this at least highlights the high end ones won't do it, without outright saying "This can't do IPv6!"

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mc.piggles writes...

I think the least Billion can do is put IPv6 ready! stickers on the models which can (or will do) IPv6

It already does. The 7800NL have the IPv6 Ready stickers on them at least the ones with the current shipping firmware out of the box.

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posted 2010-Sep-7, 1:15 pm
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nearnexus writes...

Neither does the spec sheet for the DLink DSL 2642B but it also has it – for less than $70.

Where abouts does D-Link say IPv6 in their doco? Had a quick look on the Au website in specs, patch notes, etc., and couldn't see any mention.

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Chuna writes...

It already does. The 7800NL have the IPv6 Ready stickers on them at least the ones with the current shipping firmware out of the box.

The spec sheet makes mention of 7800NL A for annex-M. Does that do IPv6 as well?

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Hi

Yes, all models are Annex M.

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posted 2010-Oct-11, 8:31 pm
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posted 2010-Oct-11, 8:31 pm

Any update on IPV6 implementation on the Billion 7404VNPX?

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Hi

Engineers are currently working on this, should be supported Q1 2011.

Cheers

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posted 2010-Oct-11, 8:38 pm
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Really? That would be mega-awesome if it is.

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posted 2010-Oct-11, 8:52 pm
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posted 2010-Oct-11, 8:52 pm

Wow! That's great news!

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posted 2010-Oct-12, 11:12 pm
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posted 2010-Oct-12, 11:12 pm

Interesting news, do Billion make routers? Might be time to look into just plain routers or fibre modems – in 2 to 5 years time the Aussie market may not need half as many DSL modems :(

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posted 2010-Oct-20, 10:54 pm
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mc.piggles writes...

Interesting news, do Billion make routers? Might be time to look into just plain routers or fibre modems – in 2 to 5 years time the Aussie market may not need half as many DSL modems :(

7404 and 7800 both can support external wan connections :)

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ɐzuǝᴚ writes...

7404 and 7800 both can support external wan connections :)

The 7800N does. The 7800NL does not.

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Quentin. writes...

Engineers are currently working on this, should be supported Q1 2011.

I've got a 7404-VGOM, I'd really rather not shell out another $400 for a new one. I'm unconvinced that the v6 stack cannot be ported to theses.

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posted 2010-Oct-22, 11:05 am
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snerd writes...

I've got a 7404-VGOM

Old model, no chance!

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posted 2010-Oct-22, 11:21 am
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Defaulty writes...

Old model, no chance!

Do these things have their IP stack in hardware?

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posted 2010-Oct-22, 12:28 pm
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snerd writes...

Do these things have their IP stack in hardware?

No but the new firmware with both v4 and v6 still have to fit in the available flash memory. If there isn't enough room then you're out of luck.

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posted 2010-Oct-26, 8:54 pm
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7404 VNOX?

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Any update on IPV6 in regards to the Billion 7404VNPX?

Cheers

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posted 2011-Jan-14, 2:17 pm

Skip the 7404VNPX if you haven't bought one yet and go straight for a FritzBox IMHO.

I'm guessing I'll have upgraded to something (non-Billion) before IPv6 gets implemented.