Today I bought a GTX 570 from PC Diy in Box Hill. However, the card says GTX 570 on it, yet has the old GTX 480 sticker and pipes up the top. The MSI GTX 570 should have a BLUE sticker and no pipes at the top...did they give me a fake GTX 570?
http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/11/02/18/crt.png
why are there gaps missing, and why is the core clock too high for a stock 570?...
bastards
why are there gaps missing,
Perhaps you are using an older version of GPU-Z which may not fully support the GTX570? :P
Here.
[Edit] Link fixed.
http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/11/02/18/crt.png
why are there gaps missing, and why is the core clock too high for a stock 570?...
bastards
Mezza, download the latest GPUz
http://www.techpowerup.com/d
Ok, everything is filled out now, but why is my core clock 786, and why do I have the GTX 480 sticker? And the pipes? That means I have the old GTX 480 cooling, which was terrible.
http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/11/02/18/6d7.png
Um.. can anyone explain about the pipes?
Mezza the model number is the same from PCDIY and the MSI website, but it does say on the MSI website in bold red writing:
The product picture may differ from the actual product. Only for your reference.
The specifications may differ from areas. Please check with your local dealers.
Its a bit suss though, PCDIY should post the actual picture, if it was me i would take it back if it wasnt exactly what i expected.
I'll take it back tomorrow. It obviously has the old cooling, was shit, so don't know what's happened there..
It does have specs of an MSI 570
http://www.msi.com/product/v
But it looks like a MSI 480
http://www.msi.com/product/v
I don't understand it, why would they put a gtx 570 inside a gtx 480 case?
Anywho, I'm returning it tomorrow, thanks for helping in the investigation guys :)
I'll take it back tomorrow. It obviously has the old cooling, was shit, so don't know what's happened there..
I'd say its a 570 but its not the common reference cooler for some strange reason.
Check the temps to see if they match 570 temps here:
http://www.anandtech.com/sho
Check the temps to see if they match 570 temps here:
http://www.anandtech.com/sh
Yep, idling at 37 Celsius
Keep us updated on the outcome. Maybe MSI ran out of vapour coolers and had old 480 casings laying around and thought what the heck.
Keep us updated on the outcome. Maybe MSI ran out of vapour coolers and had old 480 casings laying around and thought what the heck.
Doesn't really matter, I have a right for a refund. The product was not as pictured.
I'll post back tomorrow night.
Doesn't really matter, I have a right for a refund.
Totally agree. I'd even fire of an email to MSI with pic and a WTF.
Yep, idling at 37 Celsius
Well its up to you, if all the performance matches up it should be OK. This is another good example of what i try to tell people that all reference designs are not necessarily exactly the same.
Its up to you if you can live with the different design.
Well its up to you, if all the performance matches up it should be OK. This is another good example of what i try to tell people that all reference designs are not necessarily exactly the same.
Its up to you if you can live with the different design.
Just played a full round of bad company 2, highest temp was 62 degrees. I'll try Crysis
Screw an email, I'm going to print off a pic and show them in person.
Its a bit suss though, PCDIY should post the actual picture, if it was me i would take it back if it wasnt exactly what i expected.
Yeah when I buy stuff I want what the advertised picture sold me.
If it's not the same as in the picture I want a refund TYVM. And I've received this outcome in the past.
If a shop doesn't have the correct image that doesn't say a lot for the shop.
A PSU I bought from PCCG had 3 variants. I asked "is it the same as in the picture on your website?" PCCG said "Yes" so I bought it. I had to ask because this issue you've raised OP is very common.
Edit:
The last time this happened to me was with MSY about 4 months ago. I've found MSY hard to deal with because they didn't provide model numbers. I inquired via email. Wanted Kingston 2 x 2GB. They gave me the model number. I went in to pick it up & although the model number matched, they were really, really skinny RAM sticks. I said "No thanks" & bought the right ones from PCDIY instead.
Okay, I went to the store. They told me that it has an aftermarket cooler, and that it is much better than the reference cooler. I told them that the GTX 480 had the same cooler and it was much hotter. Then they said the GTX 480 was only hot because of it's chipset and not its cooling.
Anyway, I'm going to run some more benches, and if the temps exceed the reference cooler, or if it performs worse, I can bring it back tomorrow and get a full refund. Then I'd have to get the Gigabyte one, as that was the only GTX 570 they had.
The manager rang up an MSI representative, who told him that it's from a special batch with the cooling from the 480, that's why it isn't on their website.
I'm still not sure what to do. The temps could be fine when I test it, but the card may screw up later down the track.
Are the 480 pipes and cooling really better than a reference 570? I thought the new vapour chambers were better...
http://www.guru3d.com/articl
It might be better than the stock, especially if it's at the OC frequency vs the stock.
it seems like one of those situations where you got really lucky....or really unlucky.
As long as the speeds and temps are all alright, just go with it.
But, I would still fire off an email with pics to MSI just to see what they say, if it is matches up with what the store said.
Okay, I went to the store. They told me that it has an aftermarket cooler, and that it is much better than the reference cooler. I told them that the GTX 480 had the same cooler and it was much hotter. Then they said the GTX 480 was only hot because of it's chipset and not its cooling.
You know he's right about this right? The reference cooler on the GTX480 is probably better than a standard cooler on a GTX570. Nvidia had a boiler to cool and this cooler is able to bring the temperature down significantly on the GTX480.
it seems like one of those situations where you got really lucky....or really unlucky.
As long as the speeds and temps are all alright, just go with it.
But, I would still fire off an email with pics to MSI just to see what they say, if it is matches up with what the store said.
+1
If it was me I would want a normal GTX570 not some "special batch" with a GTX480 cooler.
Same here, imagine trying to resell it later 2nd hand like on say OCAU (will take a lot of convincing that it's not a fake or something) =/
Id be taking it right back and saying "I want my money stick ya aftermarket cooling if i want after market cooling id buy it"... Image trying to RMAing this puppy and having to go through the ringer explaining ....
Also, they had another MSI GTX 570 box, and inside was the same card they gave me, so it isn't a one off thing. It's also overclocked to 786Mhz
running vantage now
PPU Off, performance preset:
GPU= 22274
CPU (Standard clock i7 930) = 18218 (Is this right?)
P = 21100
First of all, any refund you may get would be out of good will unless you specifically asked them if it was looked like it did in the picture before you handed them the money.
Secondly, you paid for what you thought was a reference designed card, insted you got an overclocked card that seems to run cooler than the reference models. I'd stop complaining and go buy a second one while they still have them!
Yeah, I'm going to keep it. He offered me a full refund tomorrow if I was unhappy with testing and benchmarking tonight. However, it is performing like it should, so I think it will be fine. The temps are awesome, max during 3DMark were 67.
nah dude, sounds like ur hsf is def better than stock. stock GTX570 hsf gets ~85C load. might o/c well cos its newer.
dude with 1.3G MSI GTX570OC TF2 this forum could o/c his card to 889/1778/1063.
Sounds like a good card, could it better than MSI GTX570OC TF2?
Highly doubt it, less airflow since it has only 1 fan.
Also if it does die you will get it replaced with the same thing or an overclocked 570 with the reference cooler. They should match the product you bought (an overclocked 570).
It's a win/win for you.
dude with 1.3G MSI GTX570OC TF2 this forum could o/c his card to 889/1778/1063.
I've seen a 950Mhz overclock with that card. I doubt it's stable though. Hottest was 74 degrees, at the maximum fan speed, 85%.
Or the card may have been a mistake. You know, those manufacturer faults...
Well, there were two more exactly the same at the store. And MSI told me it is a genuine product, and is not listed on their site because they are only available in specific areas, and in a small number.
I would keep it, they would have the model number etc in their database so i doubt there would be any issues identifying it for warranty. Go buy another one , chuck it on ebay
*RARE 570 good cooler only 10 made*
I dunno, you may have trouble selling it in the future if there's no record of this specific model on MSI's website. Why settle for second best? Exchange it for the Gigabyte one. You paid full price for a GTX570, why should you need to test it and all that other stuff? It's not worth the worry.
Wow nice find champ might hit up PC DIY tommorow.
And yes that cooler is better than the stock 570GTX cooler the 480GTX was a boiler of a card and that cooler was the only thing that kept it from burning itself out.
Why settle for second best?
So far, the temps have been lower than the normal models. It is still a regular GTX 570 Chipset, and the cooling is most likely better, as the GTX 480 needed good cooling, which is now on the card I bought. I don't sell my graphics cards, so that's not an issue. Also, I test every card I buy, so the process isn't really different.
Wow nice find champ might hit up PC DIY tommor
They've got a few in stock, so you're in luck.
If I received one of those cards instead of the reference cards I would keep it. Better cooling, looks cooler and is obviously rare. Who cares if no one would believe you on eBay. Just link them back to this thread.
Stick with it!!
I'm going to. Thanks everyone :)
Btw, just ran Kombustor at 1280x1024, Direct3D 11
After 5 minutes it was at 74 degrees, fan speed was at 72%. I'm sure with a custom fan profile it would be better. After playing crysis for half an hour, the max temp was 67, so it runs very cool.
Yeah the 480 chipset was a little radiator, hence they needed good cooling to stop it killing itself. 570 chipset runs at a much lower temp, add to that a cooler for a 480 and you're laughing. Good find.
After 5 minutes it was at 74 degrees, fan speed was at 72%.
The thing is though, you cant judge the cooler on temps alone. You need to measure temps to fanspeed. Theres also the noise factor.
What if the 570 cooler runs 74 degrees with 40% fanspeed while yours needs 72% fanspeed for the same temps??
That would mean the 570 cooler is much better, 72% seems awfully high and must be quite loud. Remember the 480/470 coolers had a horrid reputation for noise. The 570 is said to be fairly quiet.
The 570 cooler was advertised by nvidia as a better vapour chamber design to cut down on noise and temps.
Heres a random guy with a 570 and he gets the same temps with only 40% fanspeed:
http://www.overclock.net/nvi
Would be worth checking out.
40% at 75 degrees is a bit hard to believe on auto.... I'm a bit skeptical , If I return the card, it has to be today (Sunday), and exchange for the gigabyte. What do you think hikerman?
personally i would keep the card if it runs at low temp(n quite) and stable, if it o/c well then thats a bonus.
I wouldn't call it quiet, its definitely louder than the stock 570s. I think ill return it. If nvidia thought the gtx 480 cooling was better they would have used that.
Not neccessarily. They may have developed the new vapour chamber to keep production costs lower. It could just be the improvements in the GPU itself that make it run cooler and the new cooler was designed to keep production costs down, and possibly produce less noise.
If this is the case, just quickly compare benchmarks with your card. If it runs hotter, take it back but if it runs cooler I would definitely keep it.
My Accelero Xtreme Plus isn't a vapour chamber and it still gives my 6950 (unlocked and OC'd) 27 degrees idle and 40-45 degrees load (40 for games, 45 for Furmark), so its not all about the new stuff somtimes ;) Might add that the noise is lower than my case fans at 100% :D
Okay, have a look.
After 5 minutes of D3D 11 Kombustor
http://3.filepak.com/1_test.png
Btw, ignore that 71% fan max speed, that was from a manual setting.
http://www.overclock.net/nvi
Fan was at 62%, he got 86 degrees. Of course, 62% on that fan might be different to 62% on your fan. Still, its looking good for you.
BTW, Furmark should be the same as Kombustor. Kombustor is basically just an MSI branded Furmark.
Also, just played crysis for 20 minutes. Max temp was 79, max fan speed was 56%
So you think it is worth keeping? I have to make my decision today.
To me, that seems reasonable. Is the fan loud compared to other fans in the case? It probably should be, but if it sounds like a turbine I might consider the regular 570. Just looking here: http://www.overclock.net/nvid
Basically, those temps seem very reasonable and if the noise is not really loud I would stay with it. It is up to your personal tastes, however. I just like the idea of a new 570 coupled with an old school heatsink. Keep in mind yours is factory overclocked, too.
On a side note, does your case have good ventilation?
On a side note, does your case have good ventilation?
I like to think so, it's a HAF 932, with all the standard fans installed, and plenty of air around the case. As for the noise, I can't hear it above the case fans until it gets to about 75%, and it only hit 58% in Kombustor.
That guy's temps are really hard to believe, he must live in a meat freezer or something.
That guy's temps are really hard to believe, he must live in a meat freezer or something.
Na, it's a fantasy world where lying about e-peen nets points somehow. Like the Whirlpool thread where a member gets 26 degrees idle with his i7-920.
:)
So you think it is worth keeping? I have to make my decision today.
You're obviously deciding. I read you say MSI did a limited run of the card you have.
If it were me (better or worse) I'd want the exact same one I researched on. You might think I'm being fastidios but my rig does not skip a beat.
PSU: Enermax Revolution85+ 850W.
MB: Foxconn Flaming Blade.
CPU: i7-930.
HSF: Prolimatech Mega Shadow / Indigo Xtreme TIM / Noiseblocker 120mm Fan.
RAM: 6GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer.
GPU: ASUS GTX 460 SLI.
SSD: Corsair P64.
HDD: 4 x SATA II.
ODD: ASUS.
Well, the only other option is the Gigabyte model at PC Diy, MSY is closed.
The question is whether the Gigabyte model will be cooler, quieter and overclock better.
edit = atm the card is at 800/1600/2100 stable, idle temp is 34 at fan speed 40%. I doubt the Gigabyte model will better that.
Well, the only other option is the Gigabyte model at PC Diy, MSY is closed.
Sorry to be a killjoy but last night I searched products at those 2 stores. 5 out of 6 were out of stock. :/
I guess you gotta work out if the card is good for your needs. To be subjective & honest, it sounds like it is.
I'd want what I paid for though. ;)
Sorry to be a killjoy but last night I searched products at those 2 stores. 5 out of 6 were out of stock. :/
Doesn't matter. They put one aside for me anyway in case I go back today.
I wouldn't want to be in your situation because I'm so indecisive. I suppose I'd probably keep it because MSI has told you it is legit and you say the cooling is great.
If you can't hear it over your case fans I'd say that is very good indeed. My stock 6950 cooler could be heard over my case fans at idle and in Black Ops I could hear it whining through my headphones. Your 570 sounds very good in that regard, I'd go as far to say it sounds better than the stock cooler in both cooling and noise level. Of course this is all opinion.
Okay, I'll keep it. From the tests I have done I think it's going to be fine. MSI also said if it screws up they will replace it immediately, instead of repairing it.
If anything bad happens I'll let you guys know, thanks!
40% at 75 degrees is a bit hard to believe on auto.... I'm a bit skeptical , If I return the card, it has to be today (Sunday), and exchange for the gigabyte. What do you think hikerman?
Sorry i went to sleep just after i posted my last post haha...slept for like 12 hours lol.
Anyway its up to you . The only issue is whether the fanspeed/noise is worse than the 570 fan.
The only issue is whether the fanspeed/noise is worse than the 570 fan.
It most likely will be a bit louder because the 480 has a 250Watt TDP and the 570, 219Watt. So it was designed to dump 30Watts extra heat.
That shouldn't really make a difference because putting a cooler that had to dump more heat onto a GPU that produces less heat would logically mean that the cooler would not have to work so hard to dump the heat. Hence it would be the opposite of what you are saying in this case. It would use a lower fan speed and be quieter than it would be on a 480.
["That shouldn't really make a difference because putting a cooler that had to dump more heat onto a GPU that produces less heat would logically mean that the cooler would not have to work so hard to dump the heat.
That is what I have found so far.
Keep it. The 470/480 reference cooler is much better than the Vapor Chamber. The only reason it was bad was because it ran loud but considering it cooled the GF100 which we know to be a very hot GPU, it would certainly be better at cooling this GF110 since it runs 30% cooler. And besides you can know say you own a rare and discreet GTX 570.
Windows1...
Keep it. The 470/480 reference cooler is much better than the Vapor Chamber. The only reason it was bad was because it ran loud but considering it cooled the GF100 which we know to be a very hot GPU, it would certainly be better at cooling this GF110 since it runs 30% cooler. And besides you can know say you own a rare and discreet GTX 570.
Well my highest temps during games on air have only been 67-70, I think you are right.
Just played a full round of bad company 2, highest temp was 62 degrees.
I wouldn't be complaining about those temps, Playing Bad company 2 with my 480, same cooler as your im sitting at about 85 to 92 degress
I wouldn't be complaining about those temps, Playing Bad company 2 with my 480, same cooler as your im sitting at about 85 to 92 degress
I wasn't complaining, but it sounded like I was. Maybe the cooler is different somehow, might just look like the 480 cooler
Playing Bad company 2 with my 480, same cooler as your im sitting at about 85 to 92 degress
On a very hot day with no air conditioning on my ASUS GTX 460 SLI hit 90 degrees after 4 hours of Bad Company 2. I was so impressed I got a screenshot lol.
On a cool day or night under 25, I think I hit 70 degrees maximum & I still don't have fans on my case.
82 Degrees on a Cold Night, Hits about 93 Degrees in 35+ Degree heat. Thats on a GTX 470 that two. So that gives you an idea of what these coolers are capable of.