Whirlpool

Hi WP,

In the first of many collaborative efforts with our friends at Westnet, we're happy to announce that we have added their gaming site and all its related content to the iiNet Freezone. 3FL Games have servers all over Australia for popular games, offer radio streams and file download mirrors. iiNet customers can now access all of this content without affecting their normal download quotas.

3FL Games Website
www.3fl.net

3FL Game Servers
www.3fl.net.au/serverspy

3FL Radio Streams
www.3fl.net.au/radio

3FL Download Mirror
www.3fl.net.au/mirror

This will be announced officially in the near future and the iiNet Freezone list on our website will be updated to include this new content, but seeing as the technical side is already sorted we're letting the Whirlpoolers know early :)

Enjoy!
-wob

edit: yes this includes their Steam content mirrors

I assume this also includes the 3fl steam mirror ? (please let it be true)

-edit, excellent :>

Nick 'wob' Turner writes...

In the first of many collaborative efforts with our friends at Westnet, we're happy to announce that we have added their gaming site and all its related content to the iiNet Freezone. 3FL Games have servers all over Australia for popular games, offer radio streams and file download mirrors. iiNet customers can now access all of this content without affecting their normal download quotas.

I think I love you. My squeezebox will be very happy with the variety :)

Nick 'wob' Turner writes...

iiNet customers can now access all of this content without affecting their normal download quotas.

Will it work in reverse as well, so WestNet customers can access iiNet freezone content without it counting towards their quotas?

That's an impressive extra list of radio station's - and it's fantastic to see some free Steam mirrors!

Thanks wob!

*Edit* Stupid question.

Nick 'wob' Turner writes...

3FL Radio Streams
www.3fl.net.au/radio

Yes yes YEs...

Thank U... :)

THE SELECTIONS ARE AWESOME AND I AM NOW STREAMING..

Love it... made my day iinet :)

Igneous writes...

Will it work in reverse as well, so WestNet customers can access iiNet freezone content without it counting towards their quotas?

Surely Yes... :)

Between this and the new DG834GV firmware this has been a great day for iiNet customers.

Might also be helpful to point out that you can read through this cool thread to lock your Steam client to only use the 3FL Steam servers:

www.3fl.net.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=643

THANK YOU IINET!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!11!!!11!!!1!­ !!!!!11 :)

Thanks IINet and thanks Alex!

Just this morning I deleted a lot of games from Steam, good to know I can get them back easily now!

w00t, awesome job iiNet (and wob).

Alex McKenzie writes...

Might also be helpful to point out that you can read through this cool thread to lock your Steam client to only use the 3FL Steam servers:

www.3fl.net.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=643

Unfortunately the SteamWatch method is not the most effective at restricting your downloads to specific Steam servers. For more information on why this is the case please see this thread:

/forum-replies.cfm?t=844673&p=2#r36

Using a firewall or the IPSec restriction method are the only effective methods of restricting your Steam client to certain servers.

Biofrogs solution is the most succinct one at the moment.

biofrog writes...

So, uninstalled SteamWatch, took Dean's advice of fire walling all outbound connections on port 27030 except those going to IP 202.72.191.174 (ie: steam-wa) which seems to be working beautifully.

Best of Luck steam users.. :)

Can some kind soul please explain why iiNet (and now 3fl) radio stations won't stream on my Mac (running OSX 10.3.9)? All I ever get is a message saying "opening URL... Connecting..." which eventually times out.

Woot free steam!
This is great to hear. Good job iiNet! :)

Albert_Thurgood writes...

won't stream on my Mac

Works fine for me with iTunes.

Holy crap HappyHardcore Sweeeeeeeet.

Now all we need is a speedcore station.

Awesome, now I don't have to bother posting complaining about the lack of Fedora 9 Updates on the iinet freezone server that I specifically registered to do. Does the 3FL mirror have rsync though?

Hi
Thanks Guys
Have fun with salsa for moment...
Cheers

That's AWESOME!

Great selection of Music to access. I'm loving the 256kbps ETN Trance.

Great to see there's a steam mirror. Very handy.

Poo, I downloaded some stuff and it seems to have been added to my peak downloads. There is some sizeable Freezone usage too though - almost as if it's adding the downloads to both.

Just to clarify, I downloaded the first four episodes of Pure Pwnage from here: mirror.3fl.net.au/pub/movies/purepwnage and also restricted Steam to the 3FL servers and updated a few of my games.

The Steam mirror seemed to be set up correctly since there were only these two connections on port 27030:

TCP andrewdesktop:1957 steam-nsw.3fl.net.au:27030 ESTABLISHED
TCP andrewdesktop:1959 steam-wa.3fl.net.au:27030 ESTABLISHED

I'm on the old Home something plan with iiNet by the way (ADSL2+, 10gb peak 10gb offpeak).

Didn't i say have faith :)

yay
at last a choice of music
kooooll

Yeah! Let's hear it for free stuff! :P

Nick 'wob' Turner writes...

In the first of many collaborative efforts with our friends at Westnet, we're happy to announce that we have added their gaming site and all its related content to the iiNet Freezone.

Does this mean Westnet content will (eventually) go through PIPE?

When going to the 3FL Mirror Seem to be hitting the Sydney one instead

Tracing route to mirror.3fl.net.au [203.21.20.200]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms 1 ms 1 ms adsl.bradleyamm.org [192.168.1.2]
2 12 ms 12 ms 12 ms nexthop.wa.ii.net [203.59.14.16]
3 12 ms 12 ms 12 ms gi2-4.per-qv1-bdr2.ii.net [203.215.4.34]
4 69 ms 68 ms 69 ms gi0-15-1-1.syd-stl-core1.ii.net [203.215.20.66]
5 69 ms 69 ms 69 ms te1-4.syd-ult-bdr2.ii.net [203.215.20.93]
6 69 ms 69 ms 69 ms te1-2.syd-ult-bdr1.ii.net [203.215.20.146]
7 69 ms 69 ms 69 ms te0-15-0-0.syd-ult-core1.ii.net [203.215.20.30]
8 69 ms 69 ms 70 ms AS9543.sydney.pipenetworks.com [218.100.2.42]
9 70 ms 69 ms 69 ms 203.21.20.200

Trace complete.

But from a Colo in Perth i hit the Perth one

traceroute to mirror.3fl.net.au (203.21.20.200), 64 hops max, 44 byte packets
1 per-core1.fasthit.net.au (202.53.4.2) 0.887 ms 0.800 ms 0.659 ms
2 per-brd0.fasthit.net.au (202.53.4.253) 1.037 ms 1.016 ms 0.949 ms
3 fasthit-transit-link-1-2.conceptua­ l.net.au (203.190.192.178) 1.433 ms 1.587 ms 1.238 ms
4 westnet.ix.waia.asn.au (198.32.212.6) 1.647 ms 6.403 ms 7.775 ms
5 gi0-1.core.op.wa.westnet.com.au (202.72.148.130) 9.080 ms 7.472 ms 5.603 ms
6 203.21.20.200 (203.21.20.200) 6.239 ms 5.999 ms 4.731 ms

Nick 'wob' Turner writes...

3FL Radio Streams
www.3fl.net.au/radio

This is excellent news. Thank You.

Awesome. Loving those new game servers :D

MD351 writes...
" w00t, awesome job iiNet (and wob). "

Hi MD351,

I would have 2 agree with u on that.

Thnanks.

:-)

thanks wob, very much appreciated

As I said in the thread about iiNet acquiring Westnet, this would make me happier than anything, so thanks Nick, your efforts are really appreciated!

Wow, awesome, thanks Wob, and the westnet guys whomever you are!

Passa writes...

There is some sizeable Freezone usage too though - almost as if it's adding the downloads to both.

Has anyone else seen anything like this?

I've done some test downloads and it turned up in Freezone as I expected (and was also at unshaped speeds whilst I was shaped).

Tex writes...

Does this mean Westnet content will (eventually) go through PIPE?

Westnet already peer with PIPE & WAIX just like we do.

www.pipenetworks.com/Peering/who.shtml

Alex McKenzie writes...

Might also be helpful to point out that you can read through this cool thread to lock your Steam client to only use the 3FL Steam servers:

www.3fl.net.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=643

The method in that thread is not full proof, as stated in that very thread.

All the main methods of blocking / choosing your STEAM content servers can be found here:

whisper.ausgamers.com/wi...m_content_server (IPSec Method)

And here:

whisper.ausgamers.com/wi...tent_Server_Help

The list of IP addresses you need to look out for can be found here:

www.3fl.net.au/forums/vi....php?p=6773#6773

Shaun Max writes...

The method in that thread is not full proof, as stated in that very thread.

And three posts below his in this thread ;)

Thanks iiNet

can someone please make a new update to the winamp Radio Stations.pls file and include all the new 3Fl Streams..

i am happy the house is networked even more.. :)

Maybe it's just me but Winamp is having a hard time keeping the 3fl streams buffered. I've tried Dig Jazz, ABC Classic FM and Skipper.

While they are playing without too much skipping, Winamp is showing them almost continuously buffering.

Nick 'wob' Turner writes...

Westnet already peer with PIPE & WAIX just like we do.

Wob, in the near future, are there any plans to reintroduce peering services, either via standard quota or a seperate WAIX/PIPE quota allowance?

Hi,

Can I add instead of going through all the IPSEC blah, just add the following to your hosts file..

127.0.0.1 IP_address_you_want_blocked
127.0.0.1 IP_address_you_want_blocked
127.0.0.1 IP_address_you_want_blocked
127.0.0.1 IP_address_you_want_blocked
127.0.0.1 IP_address_you_want_blocked

Windows XP
Start->Run
notepad c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\ho­ sts

Windows Vista
Start-> Search Bar
(enter command below then press control-shift-enter)
notepad c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\ho­ sts

Regards

OliphanT

Richie writes...

reintroduce peering services, either via standard quota or a seperate WAIX/PIPE quota allowance?

Bit confused here. We still peer with WAIX & PIPE nationally.

oO OliphanT Oo writes...

Can I add instead of going through all the IPSEC blah, just add the following to your hosts file..

Not really because you don't know every single steam content servers IP. You also only want to block the one port.

It will be alot easier and quicker to setup the IPSEC policys.

One problem I found with the IPSEC filtering is that you can't easily add new games. You need to disable the rule to have the basic files added. Then re-enable to get the games downloaded from the 3fl mirror.

Richie writes...

a seperate WAIX/PIPE quota allowance?

MM and PRK said this probably won't be happening in the WestNet Acquisition thread.

Frey writes...

Not really because you don't know every single steam content servers IP. You also only want to block the one port

Ok fair enough...

It will be alot easier and quicker to setup the IPSEC policys.

One problem I found with the IPSEC filtering is that you can't easily add new games.

Yeah well that's the issue isnt it. Its the same with Steamwatch. Isnt there some easy to use ipsec rule manager out there?

Regards

OliphanT

/me sends an email to all clients using iiNet to inform them about quota-free Christian radio stream.

/me sits back and waits for thank you emails to roll in.

oO OliphanT Oo writes...

Yeah well that's the issue isnt it.

It's not a big one at all. It takes about 2seconds to enable/disable the rule. You also only need to do it once when you first install steam.

Nick 'wob' Turner writes...

www.3fl.net.au/radio

does this mean free radio from 3fl doesnt effect our quota?

Andy.. writes...

does this mean free radio from 3fl doesnt effect our quota?

Yes, as it says in the first post.

Sagos Krauts Duh writes...

Yes, as it says in the first post.

woohoo good time keep rolling

Wooohoo new stations finally!! XD

Is it quota free starting immediately or should we wait for the official notice? I just downloaded an episode of Purepwnage, i guess I'll wait and see if it shows up on freezone first before i go beserk hehe.

Hey Nick - since we're putting new stuff on *free* content - what about the mail server?

Is that possible?

When I'm shaped, retrieving mail is a painful exercise in frustration.

And if you're feeling really charitable - maybe you could look at not counting downloads from the personal web space server?

Both the above have and do impact on me - and as I'm on the absolute highest iiPlan available to me (this to stop the 'get a higher plan' comments) these measures would make it somewhat easier to use my connection if I so happen to be shaped in the last day or two until my reset date.

So - whataya reckon?

Cheers,
Rick

MAVERICK writes...

Hey Nick - since we're putting new stuff on *free* content - what about the mail server?

Is that possible?

Definitely not.

I'd give it 10 minutes before someone setup a 'warez2email' gateway on a colo somewhere :) Way too much potential for abuse (just like members web hosting).

Is there a link to a playlist for 3FL radio? I've been looking for the last 10 minutes and still can't find anything on the site.

Nice to more freebies for iicustomers.

Nick 'wob' Turner writes...

I'd give it 10 minutes before someone setup a 'warez2email' gateway on a colo somewhere :) Way too much potential for abuse (just like members web hosting).

I'm going to pretend that I have ANY idea on which you refer - and ask whether it'd be possible to have free mail content for say 50MB a month?

That should avoid abuse to a certain extent.

I wouldn't even think mine would be any where NEAR 50MB - but it was just a figure.

Cheers,
Rick

P.S. re. the web hosting, could we tie it to our iiIP of the moment - so anything WE ourselves downloaded was free - and full speed?

MAVERICK writes...

I'm going to pretend that I have ANY idea on which you refer

Could you email me that 180gb of warez you have?

--Striker.

Just wanna say that it was very snappy for the download to count towards freezone.

As mentioned in my last post, about 300mbs have shown on my freezone list so far and i haven't really used any freezone content from ii today so must be the stuff from 3fl. Looks good so far, loving it!

Any chance of allowing Westnet customers to access the iiNet freezone?

The premier league certainly wouldn't go astray :)

MAVERICK writes...

P.S. re. the web hosting, could we tie it to our iiIP of the moment - so anything WE ourselves downloaded was free - and full speed?

The problem with doing this is you can make fairly simple scripts which would allow you to use this to download quota free.

Nick 'wob' Turner writes...

Bit confused here. We still peer with WAIX & PIPE nationally.

Sorry Nick, I meant in regards to having 'quota free' peering services, whereby downloads from peered resources aren't counted. But I see my question has already been answered :-)

Richie writes...

Sorry Nick, I meant in regards to having 'quota free' peering services, whereby downloads from peered resources aren't counted. But I see my question has already been answered :-)

Umm yeah we had this awhile back.

To say is was abused was an understatement.

Now we have faster download speeds and higher upload bandwidth. Yep, that is never going to happen.

Thx for this.

Makes life for us steam users more enjoyable.

Top job IInet.

sonic087 writes...

Any chance of allowing Westnet customers to access the iiNet freezone?

lol sonic087, if we get access to Westnet stuffs i don't see why Westnet customers won't get iiFreezone. It's just a matter of time i believe, hang in there. :P

Paladinn writes...

just a matter of time

That's what I figure, too.

Aside from the drift racing, I haven't seen anything in the ii freezone worthwhile.

I do listen to 3FL Radio streams now, though :P

--Striker.

Adam Wale writes...

The problem with doing this is you can make fairly simple scripts which would allow you to use this to download quota free.

Ok - but what about a 20MB free allowance of mail content. (or whatever)

That way - shaped or no, at least the bloody emails will work!

Cheers,
Rick

MAVERICK writes...

Ok - but what about a 20MB free allowance of mail content. (or whatever)

Assuming you didn't use the 20MB before you got shaped or the number of other scenarios this function would require to actually work and test that the quota has been allocated after your shaping period.

Don't get shaped seems to be the best solution or upgrade if it is THAT tedious.

Sagos Krauts Duh writes...

Don't get shaped seems to be the best solution or upgrade if it is THAT tedious.

oh not this dont get shapped crap upgrade thread

Paladinn writes...

lol sonic087, if we get access to Westnet stuffs i don't see why Westnet customers won't get iiFreezone. It's just a matter of time i believe, hang in there. :P

I have no doubt that it will be done eventually, I was hoping that if iiNet were going to give it's customers the ability to access 3fl they could have done the same for Westnet customers :)

mpot if you are out there and reading this message can you please integrate the 3FL radio stations into iiusage like angusj who created mum on internode?

That would be one sweet usage meter for iinet users....

Now's the time since all of the new radio streams have arrived..

Please...... :)

Many thnx dude...

Sagos Krauts Duh writes...

Don't get shaped seems to be the best solution or upgrade if it is THAT tedious

I was going to say the same thing. Or buy a domain and host your own mail server at home

Brad Amm writes...

I was going to say the same thing. Or buy a domain and host your own mail server at home

x2.

can anyone make a new playlist of all the radio stations from iinet please,i have all the iinet ones,but going thr a web page for the 3fl ones is like something from the dark ages...

Ta

Hi,

Thanks for this my question is why do the IInet radio streams keep disconnecting after ~ 30-60 seconds yet the westnet ones seem to stream and continue to stream with no problem. Virgin radio is a good example of this.

George Fitzpatrick writes...

keep disconnecting after ~ 30-60 seconds

No probs here on iinet or 3FL radio streams, just tried the virgin radio stream.

I'd say something wrong with your firewall connections, etc.

Best of Luck finding the problem.

This is GREAT news, especially that Steam content mirrors are included.

edit: aleady linked

Nick 'wob' Turner writes...

this includes their Steam content mirrors

This is great news!
Will have to set up that method to make sure they're the ones I use.
Fantastic!

Happy, Shen.

Nick 'wob' Turner writes...

edit: yes this includes their Steam content mirrors

Any chance you could blackhole the IP addresses of the other STEAM Content servers in Australia?

Nick 'wob' Turner writes...

In the first of many collaborative efforts with our friends at Westnet,

When is it going to go the other way around ?

Do westnet customers get access to iinets freezone now as well ?

Gabz.. writes...

When is it going to go the other way around ?

Do westnet customers get access to iinets freezone now as well ?

That would be wonderful. Hopefully they will do this. It's only fair since they have free access to 3fl now :p

Shaun Max writes...

Any chance you could blackhole the IP addresses of the other STEAM Content servers in Australia?

... so that if the 3FL servers don't have the content that your STEAM client is chasing, it'll need to go overseas instead of using the other servers located within Australia at ISPs like Internode, Telstra etc?

(Thus providing quicker download times, ensuring you get back to gaming in a shorter span of time...)

Not much point in black holing those IPs, IMHO :-)

-B.

Brad Peczka writes...

... so that if the 3FL servers don't have the content that your STEAM client is chasing, it'll need to go overseas instead of using the other servers located within Australia at ISPs like Internode, Telstra etc?

I'm assuming that 3FL does hold all the STEAM Content (which is should iirc)

If it doesn't, well we are going to get charged anyway on our quota, so it doesn't matter where you get it from. Moreover, I don't think any of us can use Telstra's/GameArena's STEAM Content Servers anyway, as they are limited to Telstra Bigpond customers only.

If you look at all the hoops a person has to jump through to ensure they only get the STEAM Content Server that doesn't count to their quota, all I have to say is, people shouldn't need a CCNA's just to select the STEAM Content Server of their choice. /Shakes fist at Valve

MAVERICK writes...

Ok - but what about a 20MB free allowance of mail content. (or whatever)

If you're email is that important to you, I'm sure you'd find a way to pay an extra $10/month...

Told my teenage son about the new free content, he has been slam dunking the radio streams ever since, our poor ears, mums not happy lol.

Nick 'wob' Turner writes...

In the first of many collaborative efforts with our friends at Westnet, we're happy to announce that we have added their gaming site and all its related content to the iiNet Freezone. 3FL Games have servers all over Australia for popular games, offer radio streams and file download mirrors. iiNet customers can now access all of this content without affecting their normal download quotas.

After reading some of the e-mail, I am a bit confused. Could you or anyone confirm that:

1. Watching Macquarie TV news is free (because it seems it jumps to the different url address?

2. Download the all.pls from freezone and then sent to winamp, and then choose the radio, and the radio in that list will be free?

3. 3fl include ABC classic FM, is it also free to iinet user?

4. What is the best way to tell whether any download from Tucow mirror is included in freezone?

Thanks a lot

semiold

Shaun Max writes...

I don't think any of us can use Telstra's/GameArena's STEAM Content Servers anyway, as they are limited to Telstra Bigpond customers only.

No you can't have a STEAM content server unless you open it up to everyone in your country.

hold all the STEAM Content

It might now it didn't originally

Looks like the assimilation has begun.

Shaun Max writes...

I'm assuming that 3FL does hold all the STEAM Content (which is should iirc)

I think that there's no way to tell, the people who own the steam content servers have no way of knowing/controlling what is stored on them.

they are limited to Telstra Bigpond customers only.

And as mentioned, that's not the case, they're open to everyone - probably those in different countries too - I used to always seem to connect to them before this.

people shouldn't need a CCNA's just to select the STEAM Content Server

Have to agree with you there though :D

I am downloading TF2 from steam now, I am using IPSEC to block all aussie steam servers except 3FL. I used the setup guide URL provided on page 1.

It tries to use gamearena and internode to start with, when they time out it settles with these 2 3FL servers:
steam-nsw.3fl.net.au
steam-wa.3fl.net.au

toolbox is reflecting a growing green bar

KiwiJase writes...

It tries to use gamearena and internode to start with, when they time out it settles with these 2 3FL servers:
steam-nsw.3fl.net.au
steam-wa.3fl.net.au

Awesome to see both East and West coast addressed.

:)

I think that there's no way to tell, the people who own the steam content servers have no way of knowing/controlling what is stored on them.

1. Yes there is. If setup correctly, you will mirror everything.

2. The content servers do have a choice of who they service. (may not relate to your question, by WP doesnt do multiple quote easily!)

Shaun Max writes...

1. Yes there is. If setup correctly, you will mirror everything.

That statement is not correct. The Steam Content Server has no configuration on what to pull from Valve's masters. Valve configure this on their end without regard to what the owners of the content server request.

One example that comes to mind - I restricted my Steam connections to the 3FL WA content server and my client couldn't update.

Dean Holland writes...

I restricted my Steam connections to the 3FL WA content server and my client couldn't update.

Yeah, I noticed that too, when you delete the clientregistry.blob (and forcing steam to update) Steam's unable to update from 3fl; I kept downloading from Internode when I was playing with the .blob file because of this. Not complaining though, mostly freezone steam content is infinatley better than no free steam whatsoever.

Hi Nick
Thanks for the heads up. Good work by the team.

Hamtar

Great news! :-)

Time to leech PurePwnage, get a full Steam cache on my laptop AND stream some music. Awesome.

N.B. iiNet, I like this new way of doing business.
1. CBF adding services for customers
2. find someone who already has it
3. buy them out
4. .....
5. Customers profit!!

I find that it still manages to connect to IP's outside of Australia even with SteamWatch installed, more specifically (69.28.128.0-69.28.191.255) / (72.165.61.150 - for example).

As far as I can tell, 69.28.128.0- is needed in order to authenticate with steam (chances are that if you block this you wont be able to login), but some IP's within that range are also used for updating content.

There is also this thread which gives you step-by step instructions on how to do it using a firewall (which im sure works perfectly), but so far the easiest method I have found is to use Netlimiter. Simply cap the IP's that you dont want (thats attempting to update content) to 1Kb/s, thats all there is to it.

Works a treat for me :)

Dean Holland writes...

That statement is not correct. The Steam Content Server has no configuration on what to pull from Valve's masters. Valve configure this on their end without regard to what the owners of the content server request.

If you run a 32bit OS, you only get the content Valve decides to give you.

If you run a 64bit OS with enough RAM, you are supposed to get everything, or at least is what it was like that the last time Alfred Reynolds explained it to me, and how GameArena does it.

Gabz.. writes...

No you can't have a STEAM content server unless you open it up to everyone in your country.

www.steampowered.com/v/i...ea=content_stats

Click the View individual server statistics

You will see:
EGN Australia [filtered]
GameArena #1 [filtered]
GamingSA [filtered]

Those restrict who has access to their STEAM Content Servers. It's not a STEAM Content Server setting, its an IP Filter by the service provider, but they have to tell Valve they are filtering, hence their filtered status.

terry- writes...

I find that it still manages to connect to IP's outside of Australia even with SteamWatch installed,

The best way to do it is with the IPSEC filters. That way you know you are only downloading from the 3FL filters. You will only need to disable the filter when you are adding games to your games list. Once that is done however you can just re-enable the IPSEC rules and download quota-free.

And a big thankyou for the di.fm streams... Goa All the way :D

Great work guys, love the extended radio streams, especially ETN :)

May even consider buying games from steam now :)

Yeah this is sweet, but there's one thing I will point out, the difm electro house link streams the difm hard dance stream (EDIT:and it seems the hard dance streams electro house too, mixed 'em up).

Hi,

I remember when I was with Netspace we could get stuff from 3FL but u had 2 get it from the vic mirror for it not count towards your quota.

It's this still the case?

Thanks.

:-)

FatBoyNotSoSlim writes...

1. CBF adding services for customers
2. find someone who already has it
3. buy them out
4. .....
5. Customers profit!!

whats the 4th one ?

The '...' stage is always second to last in a numbered internet list, with profit as the last number.

FatBoyNotSoSlim writes...

The '...' stage is always second to last in a numbered internet list, with profit as the last number.

all good

Hotwheelz writes...

Hi,

I remember when I was with Netspace we could get stuff from 3FL but u had 2 get it from the vic mirror for it not count towards your quota.

It's this still the case?

Thanks.

:-)

I can't confirm it, but I'm getting about a 50%/50% split downloading steam cache files from the NSW and WA servers, and I'm in Melbourne. All of its coming up as freezone so far, I think... :-)

FatBoyNotSoSlim writes...
" All of its coming up as freezone so far, I think... :-) "

Hi FatBoyNotSoSlim,

Yes I think all of it is inside the freezone...So that's cool.

Thanks.

:-)

Free Steam mirrors? Does that mean, anything I download on Steam, won't go to my quota?

Dublo7 writes...

Free Steam mirrors? Does that mean, anything I download on Steam, won't go to my quota?

No. It means anything downloaded from the Westnet Steam mirror won't go to your quota. Check some previous pages of this thread for discussion on how best to do this.

*waves from westnet forums* Sooo...What goodies do the westnet guys get from iiNet :P

perhaps westnet gets access to the iiGH mirror and the el-dodgy trance.iinet radio streams. you're likely not missing much.

perhaps free akamai CDN traffic from apple itunes stores, though that is highly dubious to begin with.

Shaun Max writes...

If you run a 32bit OS, you only get the content Valve decides to give you.

If you run a 64bit OS with enough RAM, you are supposed to get everything, or at least is what it was like that the last time Alfred Reynolds explained it to me, and how GameArena does it.

Both of the 3FL Steam Content servers are 64bit boxes running a 64bit OS, with the recommended specs to host all of the content as outlined by Valve to us when we initially set them up (not the minimum specs).

As mentioned earlier by Dean, we don't have control over or visibility into what content is actually being served by the content servers at any given point in time. Our only involvement in the operation of the servers is the usual OS patching.

I think one factor that Valve may use, is how much traffic the server is generating. So if its sitting at 90+% of its available bandwidth at peak times with the content that it has on it, then they might deem there to not be much point in adding further content, but that's just me speculating so there could be other factors.

The one thing I've very sure of them both having on them is TF2, as the outbound traffic from both of the servers rises significantly every time a TF2 update is released.

Cheers,

Ben

sounds official enough for me wob!

:D

Do any ISPs offer free Apple trailers or other high quality movie trailer downloads?

If so, iiNet, buy them out next please. :-)

thanks iinet!
loving the new radio stations (ETN trance FTW)!

Getting great use out of my new Sagem net radio box :D

FatBoyNotSoSlim writes...

Do any ISPs offer free Apple trailers or other high quality movie trailer downloads?

If so, iiNet, buy them out next please. :-)

We already do... unless I'm missing something?

©£ONeST@® writes...

mpot if you are out there and reading this message can you please integrate the 3FL radio stations into iiusage like angusj who created mum on internode?

That would be one sweet usage meter for iinet users....

I'll add it to my to-do list, and depending on effort, you may see it appear in a future version of iiUsage.

I've installed steamwatch and set it to just connect to the 3FL servers and it starts to download updates etc then just stops for a while then starts again. Are there problems with the 3FL steam server?

I used my firewall to block access to all IP addresses on port 27030 except the 3FL WA Steam server. So far, so good. Haven't had to download any updates yet, though.