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User #195106   1064 posts
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Anyone got one of these?

Any opinions?

They seem to be the best bang for buck (GB/$) HDD out there atm and good performers, with 2x320GB platters at 7200rpm

posted 2008-May-10, 3am AEST
User #156587   423 posts
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i've heard good things about them

i will be picking up a few of these soon, when i build my new system

some tests on these drives and related news....hope it helps
techreport.com/articles.x/14380/1
www.anandtech.com/storag...x?i=3269&p=2
www.pcworld.com/article/...746/article.html

posted 2008-May-10, 3am AEST
User #155601   1811 posts
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That and the Samsung 320GB drives are about as good as you can get for 7200rpm desktop drives.
Performance almost as good as a Raptor (old models), much cheaper price and much bigger size. Seems like a winner to me.

posted 2008-May-10, 4am AEST
edited 2008-May-10, 4am AEST
User #195106   1064 posts
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wow. didn't realize the Seagate 500GB 32MB cache drives have dropped to $128 now (just going centrecom prices. even cheaper on staticice)

the WD 640GB 16MB cache is at $139.70 (centrecom again)

how do they compare in terms of speed? (can't really tell from the anandtech tests). i'm guessing the higher density of the 320GB platters helps a lot, but it's only 16MB cache, not 32MB.

if the speeds are the same, or thereabouts, then i guess the extra $10 is probably well worth it for an extra 140GB.

posted 2008-May-10, 4am AEST
edited 2008-May-10, 4am AEST
User #151061   6290 posts
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AH!

I soooo wish these things had been available 2 months ago when i bought my seagate 500GB drive.

posted 2008-May-10, 6am AEST
User #162562   1882 posts
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FUNK.U writes...

but it's only 16MB cache, not 32MB.

i dont think that much extra cache really makes too much of a difference, if any

then i guess the extra $10 is probably well worth it for an extra 140GB.

definently!

◄ŞKyЯЇDΣ► writes...

I soooo wish these things had been available 2 months ago

sigh, damn technological pace :P

posted 2008-May-10, 6am AEST
User #60088   14962 posts
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I noticed these on centercom's site last night when looking at current prices for drives (out of space again).

mm, start a new raid5 array or expand an existing 3x500GB array.

not sure if going to the 640 is worth the hassel of replacing a 320gb sized drive array (7 drives)

posted 2008-May-10, 11am AEST
User #151061   6290 posts
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greenhawk writes...

mm, start a new raid5 array or expand an existing 3x500GB array.

Id personally say start a new one.

posted 2008-May-10, 11am AEST
User #195106   1064 posts
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msy has them for only $116

posted 2008-May-10, 2pm AEST
User #141960   9253 posts
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I got one of them, what can you say. Its a decent HDD lol.

posted 2008-May-10, 2pm AEST
User #49591   1107 posts
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i got one to - quiet and fast

posted 2008-May-10, 2pm AEST
User #222118   816 posts
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FUNK.U writes...

wow. didn't realize the Seagate 500GB 32MB cache drives have dropped to $128 now (just going centrecom prices. even cheaper on staticice)

i have that HDD did HD tach speed test and got 180-250mbs read speed blazing fast 5.9 in windows score, most get 5.7 i think.

posted 2008-May-10, 3pm AEST
User #151061   6290 posts
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karnage writes...

I got one of them, what can you say. Its a decent HDD lol.

Any chance of getting us some HD Tach tests? If its your boot drive though, dont bother as it will be an unfair test.

posted 2008-May-11, 3am AEST
User #60088   14962 posts
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Quad Core 8800gt man writes...

and got 180-250mbs read speed

why do I get the feeling you are reporting the burst speed and not the read speed?

or are you running a raid array with them? 3drives?

posted 2008-May-11, 8am AEST
User #3521   276 posts
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Quad Core 8800gt man writes... and got 180-250mbs read speed

why do I get the feeling you are reporting the burst speed and not the read speed?

or are you running a raid array with them? 3drives?


I put a pair into RAID 0 on the Striker Formula MB
HD Tach reports a burst speed of 247MB/sec and an Average read of 175MB/sec. They beat my 36GB Raptors also in the same machine and their configured in Raid 0 as well !!!

Bloody Nice drives though. I picked them up last week for $125 each. Took AGES to do the initial format but hell for 1.28 Terabytes ....
I'm not complaining.

Astro

posted 2008-May-11, 1pm AEST
User #120046   10794 posts
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AstroBoyAU writes...

I put a pair into RAID 0 on the Striker Formula MB

You are game to have 1.28Tb of data on RAID 0. If one of the drives die, the restore (assuming all your data is backed up) procedure would be extremely time consuming.

Edit: If anyone is wanting to RAID 0 on some lower sized drives, I picked up 2 x 160gb drives (Seagate - SATA) for $100 from www.itestate.com.au

I reckon $50 for 160gb is an absolute bargain considering most places have the 80gb for around the $47 mark. $100 for 320gb (enough for OS + apps) in RAID 0 is the entire reason I got it. Cheap and decent performance.

posted 2008-May-11, 2pm AEST
edited 2008-May-11, 2pm AEST
User #92566   19975 posts
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coolio2006 writes...

Edit: If anyone is wanting to RAID 0 on some lower sized drives, I picked up 2 x 160gb drives (Seagate - SATA) for $100 from www.itestate.com.au

nah 2nd-hand Raptor FTW! :P (but let's just steer clear of this lol)

Too bad I only heard good things about this drive I bought a WD 500GB for my external back up drive. Sure I suppose it was a month ago and that hard disk is rarely switched on anyway, but since when is buyer's remorse ever rational thinking ;)

posted 2008-May-11, 2pm AEST
User #120046   10794 posts
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dufflover writes...

nah 2nd-hand Raptor FTW! :P

I'm not a fan of second hand drives, but I reckon $100 for a OK RAID setup for your OS + apps + games is not bad at all.

posted 2008-May-11, 2pm AEST
User #88061   763 posts
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So apart from the size difference between WD 500GB and the new 640GB drives, is there any other benefit for paying the extra ~$20? The $/GB ratio is only slightly better for the larger one.

posted 2008-May-11, 2pm AEST
User #92566   19975 posts
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Well as mentioned the 640GB is 2x320GB platters and the 500GB is 2x250GB platters; uhh, so the 320GB would be slightly faster, I think, cos it's a denser platter. Not that you could make a 500GB in any other way too they get single 500GB platters.

posted 2008-May-11, 3pm AEST
User #152772   284 posts
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I have one. Seems to be slightly faster than my 320G Seagates.

posted 2008-May-11, 4pm AEST
User #195106   1064 posts
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dufflover writes...

Well as mentioned the 640GB is 2x320GB platters and the 500GB is 2x250GB platters; uhh, so the 320GB would be slightly faster, I think, cos it's a denser platter. Not that you could make a 500GB in any other way too they get single 500GB platters.

. .but the 500GB Seagate also comes with 32MB cache

posted 2008-May-11, 10pm AEST
User #69846   4337 posts
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AstroBoyAU writes...

and an Average read of 175MB/sec.

Beats my 4x320GB 7200.10 array.

posted 2008-May-11, 11pm AEST
User #28637   1250 posts
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brilliant pricing...

very impressed by the noise characteristics of these drives

should be a standard issue on a new machine.

posted 2008-May-11, 11pm AEST
User #48674   6220 posts
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FUNK.U writes...

Anyone got one of these?
Any opinions?


Yep, bought one from MSY a few weeks ago, best bang for buck and they've even gone down a further $20 in price since then. Highly recommended.

posted 2008-May-12, 1am AEST
edited 2008-May-12, 1am AEST
User #127690   4423 posts
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I reckon its bad value, because here in WA they are like $139. But when you can get a 500GB W.D SATA2 for $92, its much better value to go the 500GB.

posted 2008-May-12, 1am AEST
User #48674   6220 posts
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OP is in Melbourne, so for him $113 for 640GB (17.6c per GB) at MSY is good value :-)

posted 2008-May-12, 1am AEST
User #60088   14962 posts
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Miggod writes...

its much better value to go the 500GB.

500GB WDC are still $128 here for me :(

posted 2008-May-12, 5am AEST
User #151061   6290 posts
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Well guys. Since im in one those times where you just seem to have a nice little bit of cash come from no where (im sure all you other 18< guys know hwta i mean), i was looking at these drives.

While I am not going to buy it from here, notice that you can get the samsung 750GB F1 drive for about £2 ($4.20) less?

www.overclockers.co.uk/p...;sortby=priceAsc

posted 2008-May-12, 6am AEST
edited 2008-May-12, 6am AEST
User #132594   30975 posts
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I have one of the 640GB drives in my external enclosure(x-craft), got good reviews and is great value, can't go wrong. ;)

posted 2008-May-12, 9am AEST
User #28637   1250 posts
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g1raffe writes...

can't go wrong. ;)

for $113, i tend to agree with you.

posted 2008-May-12, 9am AEST
User #156804   718 posts
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Now im left with the choice,
500gb 32cache vs 640gb 16 cache.
slightly leaning towards the 640gb drives, everyone seems pleased with theirs

posted 2008-May-12, 10am AEST
User #195106   1064 posts
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eur0 writes...

Now im left with the choice,
500gb 32cache vs 640gb 16 cache.
slightly leaning towards the 640gb drives, everyone seems pleased with theirs


I agree. 640 seems the way to go, even if the 500 is slightly faster

posted 2008-May-12, 7pm AEST
User #15026   3911 posts
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FUNK.U writes...

640 seems the way to go, even if the 500 is slightly faster

Actually the 640 is faster then the 500gig drives ;)

posted 2008-May-13, 12am AEST
User #151061   6290 posts
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eur0 writes...

500gb 32cache vs 640gb 16 cache.

16 vs 32MB cache makes very little difference in drive performance.

posted 2008-May-13, 1am AEST
User #18843   245 posts
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OP is in Melbourne, so for him $113 for 640GB (17.6c per GB) at MSY is good value :-)

At $113 and quite a bit cheaper than anywhere else, I was half expecting MSY to be selling a grey market type of product with no end user warranty in Australia. But the WD Warranty Check page said all was good :)

posted 2008-May-13, 9pm AEST
User #133564   604 posts
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How do these guys compare to the green power ones from WD?

I'm looking at ways I can reduce my power consumption.

So just interested to know how these go

posted 2008-May-14, 4pm AEST
User #132594   30975 posts
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Peter Working writes...

How do these guys compare to the green power ones from WD?

I'm looking at ways I can reduce my power consumption.


techreport.com/articles.x/14380/14

The Green Power drives use less power, but the difference is minimal, next to nothing..

posted 2008-May-14, 5pm AEST
User #13816   2128 posts
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I was going to need another WD 750gb drive very soon, but considering the difference in price (extra $44 for only 110gb!) it will be hard to pass up the 640gb, even though the 750 would give me more options RAID-wise as I already have 2 of them.

posted 2008-May-14, 6pm AEST
User #7956   3416 posts
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How come 640Gb drives don't appear on the WD website?

www.wdc.com/en/products/index.asp?cat=3

posted 2008-May-14, 6pm AEST
User #155601   1811 posts
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Argus Tuffed writes...

How come 640Gb drives don't appear on the WD website?

www.wdc.com/en/products/....asp?driveid=394

posted 2008-May-14, 6pm AEST
User #48674   6220 posts
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Gotta love being able to see a 360 degree view of a HDD...exciting! :)

posted 2008-May-14, 7pm AEST
User #154021   1004 posts
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So guys how big is it after a format?
What's the mtbf?

posted 2008-May-14, 8pm AEST
User #132594   30975 posts
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shane41 writes...

So guys how big is it after a format?
~597GB.

What's the mtbf?
Does it matter? mtbf's are never any accurate, just a projected figure..

posted 2008-May-14, 9pm AEST
User #48674   6220 posts
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g1raffe writes...

~597GB.

Yeah, that annoys the @#$% outta me, 40GB gone just like that :(

posted 2008-May-15, 2am AEST
User #173988   2069 posts
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Ok, so i am popping into MSY tomorrow...

Should i go for the:

500gb drive + the $29 enclosure
640gb drive + the $29 enclosure
or the 500gb Elements?

All come out to be approximately the same price - What does the enclosure from MSY look like?

Thanks guys!

(will be using this to backup a Windows machine, a Mac and to house all my media)

Also, is there that much of a speed difference in USB2.0 and FireWire?

posted 2008-May-15, 11pm AEST
edited 2008-May-15, 11pm AEST
User #195106   1064 posts
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Argus Tuffed writes...

How come 640Gb drives don't appear on the WD website?

www.wdc.com/en/products/....asp?driveid=394

edit: just seen reply

posted 2008-May-16, 2pm AEST
edited 2008-May-16, 2pm AEST
User #92593   624 posts
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g1raffe writes...

mtbf's are never any accurate, just a projected figure..

That's one way of putting it. Another way is a figure that's plucked out of the collective nether regions of the marketing department. Meaningless but sounds good.

posted 2008-May-16, 2pm AEST
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