Ever since I've used BitTorrent, I always used BitComet because I found it easy to use and install. I've had no problems maxing out my connection or limiting my connection speed to something acceptable for my connection... Until now..

I just installed BitComet 1.00 on my mum's computer so that she could download something.. I'm trying to limit the upload speed so that it doesn't slow down our connection too much. I can limit the download sppeed fine, but the problem is that it won't let me slow the torrent upload speed to anything under 10KB/s, which is way too fast.

I really don't like the new BitComet.. This stupid DHT thing drained my internet connection speed, and there's all these ads, popups, and useless shit. What's that half open TCP stuff? What's the real go with that yellow light? Why does it keep on crashing randomly? Now it says that my internet connection has NAT problems and crap which I never had before. It's definitely an unpleasant change from the good old 0.4x to 0.7x days.

I got rid of the DHT, but is there a way I can get rid of all these ads, and fix the upload speed to a speed that I choose, rather than the letting the rebellious BitComet choose?

After seeing this latest version, I'm also open to suggestions for a new BitTorrent client for low speed internet connections. I like some of the new features of BitComet like piece graphcs, comment reading, and the DHT options seems ok, but an option to turn it off would be nice, as it's kinda pointless when there's a tracker.

Ayu-mon writes...

is there a way I can get rid of all these ads, and fix the upload speed to a speed that I choose,

not that I am aware off. It is a reason that people stay away from it to start with.

as to setting speeds, uTorrent would be the best option for a client to set uplaods below 10KB/s, but be aware uTorrent, to stop leachers using it, cap the d/l speed when the upload speed is small.

Ayu-mon writes...

After seeing this latest version, I'm also open to suggestions for a new BitTorrent client for low speed internet connections.

All clients are compatible with low speed connction. Proper client setup is the go, don't use BT if you don't want to share, better off using Rapidshare or Usenet if you don't want to share.

Just use Azureus and or uTorrent and use the automagic calculators inbuilt in both, be mindful though, try to screw the upload in both and they will throttle your download.

Thanks. Damn these BitTorrent clients and their discrimination to those of us who don't have high speed internet.

When downloading, I usually set my upload speed between 3KB/s for low speed downloading and for full speed download up to 5KB/s or 6KB/s. I set my download speed between 5KB/s and 8KB/s for low speed downloading. For full speed downloading, I set it to "no limit".

Will this work on uTorrent? Maybe I should just go back to one of the old BitComet clients.

Ayu-mon writes...

I set it to "no limit".

No limit is a waste of time, just as a courtesy what is the connection speed. all that does is flood the connection and that slows the download.

Ayu-mon writes...

Thanks. Damn these BitTorrent clients and their discrimination to those of us who don't have high speed internet.


Total FUD plenty of slow connections use BT.

Here is a thought, upgrade the account to a faster speed.

Muad'Dib writes...

All clients are compatible with low speed connction. Proper client setup is the go, don't use BT if you don't want to share

Trust me, they're not very friendly with low speed connections. Because I'm on a slow internet connection, I need my internet connection to always be working away, or otherwise nothing will get done. The problem is that I don't want BitTorrent to take up the entire internet connection, because then nothing else can get done.

By the way, I didn't say that I didn't want to share. Where did you get that idea? As a matter of fact, my share ratios recently have been often in excess of 2/1.

Muad'Dib writes...

Total FUD plenty of slow connections use BT.

Dude! Quit it with your wild accusations..

Here is a thought, upgrade the account to a faster speed.

You think I haven't tried to get a faster internet connection yet? I've spent years trying to get ADSL. Here's a thought, make Telstra provide me with ADSL.

Going by your profile it is 128k up and down.

uTorrent

Upload limit 9k

Upload slots 3

Connections 55/80

Max active 1

Max active downloads 1

Download max 16k

Then just sit back and pray you don't get snubbed.

Here is a free hint, don't download and browse, do one at a time.

Muad'Dib writes...

Going by your profile it is 128k up and down.

Through the NT1 Plus II in a real world scenario, it is not possible to get simultaneous 128kbps up and 128kbps down simultaneously. The max I can get is about 128kbps combined sustainably.. With the Cisco 803, and compression I can get up to about 172kbps combined.

Here is a free hint, don't download and browse, do one at a time.

As I said before, doing one at a time is not an option. As otherwise there would be insufficient time to download. I have downloaded and browsed simultaneously on ISDN for years now, and I'm sure many others on ISDN do the same too.

Thanks for the tips about the settings. I'd like to have more control over the speed setting I use, so I've got an idea. I think maybe I'll just use NetLimiter or NetMeter to say !@#$ you to uTorrent or whatever application tries to impose arbitrary speed settings on me.

I could just install the NetLimiter on our server, and limit the upstream and downstream port speeds from there while downloading on a client machine. I could then simply adjust the speeds through UltraVNC.

Ayu-mon writes...

Thanks for the tips about the settings. I'd like to have more control over the speed setting I use, so I've got an idea. I think maybe I'll just use NetLimiter or NetMeter to say !@#$ you to uTorrent or whatever application tries to impose arbitrary speed settings on me.

Screw the upload in uTorrent and it screws the download as well as getting you snubbed for not sharing properly. Like I said before use Usenet or Rapidshare if you want to avoid having to upload.

Ayu-mon writes...

Thanks for the tips about the settings. I'd like to have more control over the speed setting I use, so I've got an idea. I think maybe I'll just use NetLimiter or NetMeter to say !@#$ you to uTorrent or whatever application tries to impose arbitrary speed settings on me.

Screw the upload in uTorrent and it screws the download as well as getting you snubbed for not sharing properly. Like I said before use Usenet or Rapidshare if you want to avoid having to upload, maximum download without the need to upload.

Join the public torrents leechfest, where evryone screws everyone else.

Just out of interest did you always have in mind the use of Net Limiter? if so why go through this convoluted process?

Muad'Dib writes...

Screw the upload in uTorrent and it screws the download as well

But I'm not screwing the upload.. As a matter of fact, my upload limit is proportionally much higher than ADSL1 and ADSL2+ users with 8000/1000, and 24000/1000 download to upload ratios respectively. That would mean that ADSL2+ users are the ones that screw over their upload speeds the most.

Like I said before use Usenet or Rapidshare if you want to avoid having to upload, maximum download without the need to upload.

I've had no problems with uploading until I got a new version of my BitTorrent client. Besides, I have a favourite private tracker.

Just out of interest did you always have in mind the use of Net Limiter?

Nah, I just thought of it. It makes me wonder though.. Why did the programmers bother putting these arbitrary limiting systems into the programs anyway? It seems that this BitTorrent client war that seems to be going on is pointless. Every single client can be exploited to cheat the concept of BitTorrent in so many ways, especially the more popular ones like uTorrent. I think that it's the ISPs that people choose to use that cause the most problems.

Ayu-mon writes...

Nah, I just thought of it. It makes me wonder though.. Why did the programmers bother putting these arbitrary limiting systems into the programs anyway?

To stop people like you from screwing your upload. :D

Ayu-mon writes...

Every single client can be exploited to cheat the concept of BitTorrent in so many ways

Easily fixed, using the stuffer plugin, beats cheating scuzz bucket leeching mods. Private tracker admins know all the modded client tricks, quick way to get your arse canned is to use one of those.

You say using Net Limiter isn't upload screwing, that's the whole point of that program so you can screw the upload down to leech.

Ayu-mon writes...

Why did the programmers bother putting these arbitrary limiting systems into the programs anyway?

Are you serious? To ensure the whole system works as it should.

If everybody decided to limit their uploads without any limitation, there'd be no downloads!!

You do realise you're downloading off of other people's uploads don't you?

I have a 256/64kbps ADSL connection, and have no problems setting uTorrent to limit itself to 25/6kBps, or any other integer that I have tried below this.

Usually I run at full speed, and take advantage of multi-tab browsing so while I'm reading one page, I'm opening links in the background. Once I'm finished reading one page, whatever links I've been clicking have loaded. Rinse and repeat. Throttling uTorrent does work as evidenced by its speed graph, but real world browsing speed isn't much improved.

And yes, I do make the effort to share, despite the fact that it can take days to get the ratio over 1:1. It'd be good if high-speed users appreciate this, rather than make flippant remarks that imply a form of class structure based on a user's practical or financial ability to reach similar speeds. Suggestions to use Usenet, for instance, are nothing more than calls to 'GTFO my internets' unless uselful help to do so is provided.

Muad'Dib writes...

To stop people like you from screwing your upload. :D

Listen carefully... My download to upload ratio ratio is 2:1 whereas your upload to download ratio is 8:1 or 24:1. Fact: You're screwing the upload.

I don't know about you, but my share ratio is usually between 1.0 and 2.0 uploads to every 1.0 downloads.

You say using Net Limiter isn't upload screwing

That's right. It isn't upload screwing. Upload screwing is when you don't maintain a good upload to download share ratio (mine is 2.0), or when you don't maintain a good upload to download speed ratio (mine is 1:2, and yours is most likey 1:8 or worse).

Therefore, on an 8mbit connection, you should be uploading at 4mbits to be equal to my ratio.

shaunf writes...

Are you serious? To ensure the whole system works as it should.

Of course. I understand that they did it in an ATTEMPT to try to make sure it works as it should, but for people on slower internet connections, there are problems with it.

For example, on BitComet, there is a 80kbps ABSOLUTE value minimum on uploads.. That would be ok if you were on a 160kbps combined up+down connection, as you'd have enough for a symmetrical upload and download.

The value should be relative, not absolute. The absolute value favours power leechers on highly assymetrical internet connection. Whereas in the case of low speed internet connections, it does not allow enough of the connections bandwidth to be allocated for downloading.

Let's say a typical ADSL leecher on an 8mbps/1mbps internet connection uses BitComet 1.00 with the 80kbps upload minimum.. That leecher could set his download to 8000kbps and his upload to 80kbps... That means for every 1000mb the leecher downloads, they upload 10mb. That wouldn't even be enough for the protocol overheads, let alone any sharing. In my book, that's leeching.

Now in my scenario on a 128kbps combined up+down internet connection. When I download I download a 64kbps down, 32kbps up. This leaves 32kbps for browsing. When I'm uploading, I set my upload to 96kbps up. While I'm a peer I download 691.2mB a day, and upload 345.6mB a day. Then when my download is finished, I upload at 1036.8mB a day.

I seed until one of these conditions are met. 1. There are no more downloading peers for a week. 2. Reseed request has been fulfilled. 3. My upload to download ratio is 1.5 or higher, and I want to download something else. 4. Occasionally I want to utilize a low latency application, at which time I pause or stop all tasks.

How the hell anyone could say that I'm a leech is beyond me.

You do realise you're downloading off of other people's uploads don't you?

Of course. My PC is always on, even when there are no downloads, just to allow the communit the same opportunity to download what the community gave me the opporunity to download.

Hi guys.. I can confer with some of the problems re new versions of bit comet i.e. ads and half TCP etc and as a result am still using 0.7. Sounds like I might give u-torrent a try.

However I have a new problem (whilst using bitcomet): It seems that shortly after commencing a d/l my whole internet f$cks up: No web, no POP3 email no ping no network services whatsoever. I have bigpond adsl (yes despite my nick I'v actually moved now) and my flatmate called them when her i/net didn't work either. They advise to turn the router off and on again and it seems to fix the problem.

I'm running WinXp with SP3 and My h/ware is:

Wireless-G ADSL Home Gateway WAG200G

and it seems it is spitting the dummy at presumably the odd requests on random ports??? I note there is a firewall enalbled - can I keep this and allow bit-comet to work?

sorry if this is the wrong forum but I haven't seen any1 else's that states the same problem.

Hello Tarneit. You could try going back to older versions of BitComet.. I think BitComet 0.85 might be a good idea, but I haven't tried it yet.

I'm back on my old computer, so I'm using my old version of BitComet that I've been using for years with only 1 small problem. Some (very few) torrents I've downloaded have these cushioning files or whatever they're called, and it says if you're seeing these, then upgrade to 0.85. I haven't experience any problems with them so far though.

TarneitNoADSL writes...

However I have a new problem (whilst using bitcomet): It seems that shortly after commencing a d/l my whole internet f$cks up

I've read about these problems before.. If you have a new router, or a faster internet connection at your new place than at your old place, it might be that your router can't cope with all the simultaneous connections.. Try limiting the max connections.

You could try disabling the firewall for a short time to run a diagnostic to see whether it still happens when the firewall is there. Then you could possibly eliminate the firewall from the list of potential problems.

Ayu-mon writes...

I'm back on my old computer, so I'm using my old version of BitComet

Be warned, BitComet is a phone home hunk of junk.

Muad'Dib writes...

Be warned, BitComet is a phone home hunk of junk.

LOL! To think that you're the one who accused me of FUD on this very thread. You'll find that uTorrent does this too. It's called checking for updates. Many programs do this. If you're talking about anything else, then I have never seen any claims, let alone proof of this.

Something odd I've noticed with the latest stable version of uTorrent is that it uploads and downloads quite a fair bit as it is open, even though no torrents are going. I'm not sure what it is, and it seems like more than what should be necessary for a simple check for updates. Take it for what it's worth. If you were paranoid, you'd just assume that it was uTorrent sending your personal data back home.

Ayu-mon writes...

Take it for what it's worth. If you were paranoid, you'd just assume that it was uTorrent sending your personal data back home.

There are people that have hacked the source code of uTorrent to make leecher mods. I would think they would notice something like that.

Ayu-mon writes...

Something odd I've noticed with the latest stable version of uTorrent is that it uploads and downloads quite a fair bit as it is open

That's old news, that's the Mainline DHT in action, nothing to do with phoning home. Bitcomet is an adware ridden, phone home cheating hunk of junk.

The same can be said of Bittorrent 6.0 a sell out phine home client.

Azureus, uTorrent and then daylight.

No such think as a true BT client for low speed internet.

Muad'Dib writes...

Bitcomet is an adware ridden, phone home cheating hunk of junk.

You really have nothing constructive to add to this thread do you?

Yes, the latest version is adware ridden.

No it doesn't phone home, and you haven't taken up my offer to allow you to try and prove it.

No it isn't a cheating client. However, there are hacks for uTorrent out there to turn it into a cheating client. You just naively assume that just because you see someone in your peer list using uTorrent, that they must be a good peer.

No such think as a true BT client for low speed internet.

Why is that? Have you tried them all? I've used BitTorrent clients before that allow low speed settings. In fact, now that my PC is back up and running, I'm running my usual client version.

Bitcomet Cheats.

forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=3531

Use the automagic settings in uTorrent and Azureus, there is no such thing as an exlusive BT client just for "low speed internet"

Muad'Dib writes...

Bitcomet Cheats.

forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=3531

That article is incorrect. I have an article in my bookmarks written by someone alot more credible than your forum participant, hosted on a high credible P2P web site. It scientifically dispels these myths you claim about BitComet. www.p2pnet.net/story/12959

Here is a little bit about the author. “I’m a networking and protocol expert, with more than 25 years of experience, and I’ve been recognized as a Certified Software Quality Engineer by the American Society for Quality, and I’ve been recognized as a Microsoft Most-Valued Professional in Networking,” he tells p2pnet in an email.

there is no such thing as an exlusive BT client just for "low speed internet"

I never said anything about an exclusive client.

greenhawk writes...

cap the d/l speed when the upload speed is small.

that depends, if there's a shipload of seeds and peers on a particular file, a 1kb upload limit works fine.

B u r n s writes...

that depends, if there's a shipload of seeds and peers on a particular file, a 1kb upload limit works fine.

If everyone adopted that attitude there would be no BT, it is all about sharing not strangling upload.

Don't want to upload use the mega leeching Usenet, Rapidshare et al.

I think BitTorrent 6.0.3 is great - the best one out there with no bugs or faults whatsoever.

It also lets you limit how much you upload and download to the KB.

auna writes...

I think BitTorrent 6.0.3 is great

You trust a sell out, phone home client, hmm.

auna writes...

It also lets you limit how much you upload and download to the KB.

BT is all about sharing, not screwing upload, if everyone adopted that attitude there would be no BT.

Thanks for the advice Auna. I've never gotten the original BitTorrent client to work on my PC though.

Muad'Dib writes...

BT is all about sharing, not screwing upload, if everyone adopted that attitude there would be no BT.

But if you're downloading legal files like ISO's then you should have no problem Muad'Dib, so cap you upload and rejoice!