Mutty writes...

so..

is www.oztion.com.au any good?

I don't know.. with the scamming that has evolved in recent years a good auction site would have to be exceptional at customer support and that would cost heaps. On line auctions have been scuttled for the time being imho.

Mutty writes...

so..

is www.oztion.com.au any good?

Iv used them b4 an would recommend. I don't think i will be using ebay anymore

twistynoodle writes...

Test market.

I think we are the only one where ebay is so dominant (it doesn't have significant competitors). Were they to try this elsewhere, I think they would suffer a lot more than they expect to here.

hobo-jo writes...

What competitors do they have in the US/UK/ETC that they don't have here?

Not being a smart arse, I am genuinely not sure. Are there other dominant online auction stores outside AU?

Im not too sure about the UK, but the major player in the US is definately Craigslist.

Even though I think Craigslist is more of a 'trading post' kinda set up, its still extremely popular.

MyStupidMouth writes...

Slow? Paypal rocks... Sorry, I don't know what you mean by slow.

PayPal Rocks? I don't think so.
Yes, it is FAST to receive payments... and they are also FAST to freeze your money and FAST to limit your account...

Perhaps they mean how slow they can be when rectifying their mistakes or how slow it is to transfer money into a bank account...

Mutty writes...

so..

is www.oztion.com.au any good?

I have been "looking" around on there for a while now, wondering if it's any good... looks like there are quite a few fake items being sold on there, so my guess is their buyer security is a bit lacking.

I was also looking in the forum there, and from what people have been saying, it's quiet too...

Also, on another note, I don't like the way listings are viewed on oztion... it just doesn't tickle my fancy.

Manu writes...

f you pass on the fees to the buyer + send your package with a tracking number, paypal is your friend as a seller as well.

HI,
Wait until you get a buyer who decides your item got broken in the mail or he just doesnt like it and they put in a chargeback to you.

Then your liking of paypal will change.

check out paypalsucks for interesting paypal scams.

I havent used them since a buyer tried to scam me, it took a lot of writing to get paypal to change there mind.

PAYPAL SUCKS well and truly and feebay are going the same way.

They just want to make more money from there buyers/sellers.

They dont make any extra when we do or accept a normal direct deposit.

cheers

whirlkewl writes...

what's stopping a seller sending his direct deposit details to the buyer? ...(if buyer agrees to pay that way)
Maybe the fact that they wont be covered by buyer protection... but perhaps with a percentage discount people can be persuaded... but eBay will have all those warning messages for buyers... "it could be a scam"

I can't see how ebay can totally eliminate other forms of payment.

eBay owns both eBay and PayPal, don't they? Surely they can just integrate and then know and see all....

whirlkewl writes...

what's stopping a seller sending his direct deposit details to the buyer? ...(if buyer agrees to pay that way).

Well when this system is implemented, ebay will no doubt be able to track payments made through paypal.

If they start to see that a lot of sellers are not receiving payments through paypal then obviously they'll pick up that they are receiving payments through bank deposit.

The outcome will no doubt be a 'please explain' from ebay to the seller/buyer and could result in blocked accounts etc.

BonoVox writes...

Seems like anit-competive behabiour to me - forcing Ebay users to also be Paypal users.

eBay do not like sellers...period.

Buyers would still be able to pay via bank deposit the seller would only need to send an email to the buyer or put payment info in an about me page.

Something worth reading is the editorial in PC Authority magazine April Edition titled "eBay friend or foe"

I really hope someone like Google offers a new auction site soon - I hate Ebay!

There has to be a reason why google have not done this yet. Maybe eBay pay them too much for advertising and referrals for google to bother.

MyStupidMouth writes...

I don't get why people are so upset about Paypal and eBay

Its only a minority, ebay will be around forever and people will still use it. Maybe its a good thing and knocks out some bidding competition?

Conspiracy:Theory writes...

Looks like I won't be selling on eBay anytime soon. Paypal is good for a buyer, but I'm not a fan of it when I'm the one selling.

More like, sell like a machine on juice now BEFORE they implement the paypal enforcement.

Conspiracy:Theory writes...

Looks like I won't be selling on eBay anytime soon. Paypal is good for a buyer, but I'm not a fan of it when I'm the one selling.

Ditto that - PAYPAL would be ok for sellers if they didn't charge their ripoff fees to receive payment. It also takes several days to move money from a PAYPAL account to a real bank account.

I for one either won't sell on ebay any more. At present I don't offer PAYPAL and accept direct deposit or money orders only.

Conspiracy:Theory writes...

Looks like I won't be selling on eBay anytime soon. Paypal is good for a buyer, but I'm not a fan of it when I'm the one selling.

very true, but in the end it still ends up the buyer paying more

manfred writes...

Paraphrasing a comment I liked from elsewhere: It's funny how they encourage you to use Direct deposit 'for improved safety' when paying by Paypal, yet now say how unsafe it is for direct payments.

well

technically it is safer, becuase your doing a direct link between your internet banking, and sending the information to your banks servers and then its processed.

its not like you have to send your banking info to more than one source. maybe thats what they mean, because your details are also going to be on paypal as well as your banks computers

oddOneOut writes...

i don't have a credit card and use direct debit and it takes soo long to transfer funds in to paypal im afraid of getting a non-paying buyer strike against my name!

I use direct debit to pay with PayPal and it's instantaneous.
You don't have to load money into it, you can, but you don't have to... PayPal can just take the money straightaway from your account.

EDIT: Actually I use a debit card mostly... so I think that's completely different. Sorry

Scrath writes...

very true, but in the end it still ends up the buyer paying more

Not necessarily, e.g. a $0.99 auction, with reasonable postage. There can be scope for that with fixed price, or higher starting price auctions, but usually auctions don't start at the max (and in other auction venues, surcharges are added on after the final auction price to account for this).

missy1632 writes...

I wonder what the difference is between option 2a and option 2c?

As I read it there is none, after June merchant accounts will also be excluded, (only in my opinion).

manfred writes...

Test market.

I think we are the only one where ebay is so dominant (it doesn't have significant competitors). Were they to try this elsewhere, I think they would suffer a lot more than they expect to here.

No we are the only market who hasnt embraced paypal with open arms as our netbank facilities are sufficient.

So to gouge more money they want to remove Direct Deposit as a payment method, they wont even allow google checkout, I think ebay users should complain to ACCC for anti-competitive behaviour.

ditroia writes...

Can't you just write that you accept DD in your Action description, and just have the person email you if they want to pay by DD. All this changes is that you can;t list with DD as a payment option and the buyer can't get your DD details when they checkout through ebay.

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Manu writes...

If you pass on the fees to the buyer + send your package with a tracking number, paypal is your friend as a seller as well.

It is an eBay condition that you do not pass on the Paypal fees to the buyer. If eBay catch you doing this, or someone dobs on you, your auction will be pulled pretty quick smart.

Haklin writes...

b) they can find the item a lot cheaper (50%>) (and same quality) as a local product.

Bit steep, I think.

Some people prefer to give the little guy a shot at making some money as opposed to the big companies increasing their wealth.

McLovin writes...

It is an eBay condition that you do not pass on the Paypal fees to the buyer. If eBay catch you doing this, or someone dobs on you, your auction will be pulled pretty quick smart.

It should be incorporated into your final selling price...

missy1632 writes...

It should be incorporated into your final selling price...

But the final selling price is decided by the buyers in an auction, and this is determined by demand, not costs incurred by the seller. So the seller is getting screwed.

jimgg writes...

Announcement is up:
www2.ebay.com/aw/au/2008...2008-04-10105658

I dont see anything

Try this:
www2.ebay.com/aw/au/200804101058562.html

and here pages.ebay.com.au/usepro...changes-buy.html

BonoVox writes...

But the final selling price is decided by the buyers in an auction, and this is determined by demand, not costs incurred by the seller. So the seller is getting screwed.

Make sure your starting price covers it.

So the seller is getting screwed.

Don't get me wrong, I think PayPal is the pits... but it's the way it goes. Sellers just have to make sure they are covered.

missy1632 writes...

Make sure your starting price covers it.

Only trouble with that is the "FEEBAY" speil of always starting your auctions at 99c to attract more bidders.

All the extra fees and charges just makes it impossible to sell any cheaper items on feebay anymore. (which i stopped doing years ago)

cheers

Skutter writes...

they are forcing you to use a related company in order to do business.

Yeh, and there is definitely double-dipping going on there... they swipe so many fees in any way they can.

You should be able to use other online checkouts... like moneybookers or whatever else there is.

ozzymac writes...

Only trouble with that is the "FEEBAY" speil of always starting your auctions at 99c to attract more bidders.

Even if you do decide to start higher they hit you with more fees anyway... the only people who win are eBay (slash PayPal), that's the way it will always be with them.

d00dz writes...

What about express post? There is no registered express post.!

yeh I always use express.... you can track platinum express, but I guess that's unacceptable, right?

missy1632 writes...

yeh I always use express.... you can track platinum express, but I guess that's unacceptable, right?

Express isnt trackable all the way.
It's only trackable up to the delivery depot.

Scrath writes...

I don't think i will be using ebay anymore

Every scammer that leaves ebay will go where ?

Answer - they will head to sites that they can carry on scamming.
The problem will move from ebay to...............

d00dz writes...

Express isnt trackable all the way.
It's only trackable up to the delivery depot.

pfft, of course, why would anything be made easy for a seller on eBay...?!

missy1632 writes...

I wonder what the difference is between option 2a and option 2c?

Bit weird. Option a suggests paypal balance, as c is credit card through paypal, making bank account through paypal not permitted either.

Seems like another (at best) confusing announcement.

ian1946 writes...

Having a non-bank control my money, coupled with their ability to freeze accounts at a their whim, no recourse to a regulator to mediate on disputes. Do any regulations cover Paypal ?

Paypal are regulated by APRA.
www.apra.gov.au/ADI/ADIList.cfm

scottr writes...

just chuck anything you want to sell in the Services category or something

won't get anywhere near the amount of potential buyer views as a properly listed item.

buyers also tend to search within specific categories

Mutty writes...

so..

is www.oztion.com.au any good?

I have had both good and bad with oztion....my last transaction was for an item of clothing that was marketed as brand new and with tags, payment only by direct deposit.

When it arrived it was second hand and the tags were for a completely different garment. I contacted the seller who eventually after several messages agreed to refund but havent heard from her since.

So I am now very wary of paying by DD and would prefer Paypal, at least as a buyer you can have an avenue to pursue.

__RavErz__ writes...

This is excellent for buyers so long as they don't need to pay more for products due to paypal fees, another kick in the guts for sellers.

There definately will be an increased fee for registered post IMO.

Come meet us:
"These changes may have some significant implications for how you trade on eBay.com.au, which is why we're organising a series of Q & A events to discuss them with you in person.

Come along and hear from me about why eBay is making these changes. We'll have a number of eBay and PayPal staff available to answer your questions and explain the changes in more detail.
We are also conducting a series of online workshops about the changes throughout April and May, so keep your eye on the announcement board for details."

pages.ebay.com.au/events

__RavErz__ writes...

Everyone from June 17th can only offer paypal.

From 21 May, all listings must offer Paypal. From June 17th payment can only be made via Paypal or cash on pick-up.

Mutty writes...

The only way I could be made happy about this is if Ebay and paypal halved their fees to make buying and selling easier.

Agreed. Selling a lens for $1900 equals to $100 in fees in total. Paypal and Ebay.

pepsiscrap writes...

Paypal are regulated by APRA

Who, because of bad practices, lost the supervision of self managed superannuation funds to the ATO..

We are doomed :-(

Mutty writes...

The only way I could be made happy about this is if Ebay and paypal halved their fees to make buying and selling easier.

That'd be great from a seller, and probably buyer, perspective, but as ebay's a listed company with a focus on increasing revenue, I can't see it happening.

manfred writes...

but as ebay's a listed company with a focus on increasing revenue, I can't see it happening.

That becomes the problem with many companies that have a large customer base. It is all about keeping the shareholders happy regardless of how it affects the majority which are the backbone of the company.

Someone Else ? writes...

This sounds like third line forcing to me

not sure this is the case when the 3rd party is owned by the first party.

vicarious writes...

i have never had any problems in doing direct deposit, this option still should be allowed for items under $100

ditto... and it's the best when ppl pay for items using direct deposit... saves waiting with PayPal.

vicarious writes...

what so i have to get a credit card now to buy stuff on ebay and hand those details to paypal, Yeah right. Looks like ebay will loose a lot of customers.

Doesn't have to be credit... you can have a debit card.. or a Bank Account

VALGAL writes...

I can see what is gonna happen. Everyone is going to use the "cash on pick up" option regardless and then take to making bank deposit outside of eBay. It is actually going to make eBay as LESS secure site to trade on.

I got the email off eBay.. you know the one announcing all the fantastic changes... and it even said the COD option is through PayPal... what the?

EDIT:

From the email: 17 JUNE 2008
You will only be able to offer PayPal on your listings and pay on pick up (i.e. paid for when picking up the item).

Pay on pick up can only be offered in conjunction with PayPal. No other payment methods will be permitted.

idc writes...

as a buyer, does paypal cost you anything? in any case i hope oztion takes off..i'll use that instead.

Nah, it's free to send money... only costs to receive... how gracious of them

OzWolfbane writes...

Can someone post a legal sounding complaint letter to ACCC which we can all send to em.

If anyone is stuck for words, I have just sent this complaint via the the ACCC email complaints form:
______________________________

I think eBay's new payment policy may be anti-competitive. The specifics are outlined here:

pages.ebay.com.au/usepro...ion/changes.html

This policy precludes the use of direct bank deposits and money transfer agencies other than PayPal.

"All items appearing on eBay.com.au must be paid for using either: • PayPal • Visa/Mastercard (with transactions processed by PayPal) • Pay on pick up (i.e. paid for when picking up the item) No other payment methods will be accepted."

It doesn't just effect me, it will restrict the payment choices of every eBay user.
______________________________

If you have the time, it's better to write an original complaint

idc writes...

does paypal cost you anything?
They charge you $1.

Tom7000 writes...

we'll all need to get the message out, loud and clear.

I for one will be trying out Oztion...

TBH I mostly used PayPal to receive payments (anything directly deposited was like an extra bonus)... and although I have had my account limited one time, I do like the speediness of the service, but it's the fact they are forcing eBayers to use PayPal that gives me the irritates.

b0son writes...

Someone mentioned even COD is processed via Paypal ???? How is this supposed to work?

err that was me... it said it in the email I received off eBay

But I can't find anything on PayPal to support it... although some maintenance is going on...

Gator writes...

I don't mind using PayPal if I am buying something. My definite preference though is for a direct deposit.

I agree, i much prefer Direct Deposit, it's fast, easy & the seller doesn't incur any fees (in most cases)

Never used PayPal to sell anything, Direct Deposit or COD has always been the options that my buyers are most happy with.

As others have said, i could see it coming, very disappointing behavior on eBay's part.

Regards.
Sam.

Art V writes...

This change only applies to items listed on ebay.com.au - therefore, for sellers that want to offer Bank Deposit, choose .com or .co.uk ebay sites to list your items.

Thanks for the tip, here's hoping they won't close that loop-hole when the changes are implemented.

Regards,
Sam.