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If you have been waiting for Service Pack 1 for Windows Vista, well, you can now mark your calender. We just received word that Microsoft has scheduled Windows Vista Service Pack 1 for release to manufacturer (RTM) on Monday, February 4, 2008. That's just 3 days away! The OEMs will also receive Windows Vista Service Pack 1 during that week.

:> www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=505

at last,
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Thanks mate :)

Anti-Hack Patches

Also coming with SP1 but not in the current release candidate, we will also be including updates that deal with two exploits we have seen, which can affect system stability for our customers –

* The OEM BIOS exploit, which involves modifying system files and the BIOS of the motherboard to mimic a type of product activation performed on copies of Windows that are pre-installed by OEMs in the factory.

d'awww :(

"Performance and reliability improvements in core scenarios such as file copy, network browsing, and improved response time to resume from sleep."

I hope the above is worth it otherwise it will be a big yawn after more then a years wait!

VeeP writes...

I hope the above is worth it otherwise it will be a big yawn after more then a years wait!

this bit i like :>

Reported Size Of System Memory

With SP1, Windows Vista will report the amount of system memory installed rather than report the amount of system memory available to the OS. Therefore 32-bit systems equipped with 4GB of RAM will report all 4GB in many places throughout the OS, such as the System Control Panel. However, this behavior is dependent on having a compatible BIOS, so not all users may notice this change.
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viŽitor writes...

icrosoft has scheduled Windows Vista Service Pack 1 for release to manufacturer (RTM) on Monday,

Bugger, I've just lodged a bug with RC refresh 2 ;)

membreya writes...

The OEM BIOS exploit, which involves modifying system files and the BIOS of the motherboard to mimic a type of product activation performed on copies of Windows that are pre-installed by OEMs in the factory.

Even though we have Vista licenses for all our systems, we use that on the QA computers to avoid any problems when we re-image them back to virgin state after test runs.

Looks like we'll have to be a lot more careful tracking images and hardware configs.

Grrr ;)

BTW, for those interested in the sizes of the latest version of SP1

- the windows update download about 80MB for my Vista Business system and about 100MB for my Ultimate system (both 32 bit).

- the network installable version was about 430MB for the x86 version and 720MB for the x64 version.

The network version is probably best if you have 4 or more Vista systems or you reinstall often.

membreya writes...

d'awww :(

Somebody will make a crack that will defeat Windows Vista SP1 in no time. Just wait and see.

Oh great, finally. :)

Now I can uninstall SP1 beta and hopefully this official Service Pack will fix that damn annoying problem Vista has not remembering windows positions.

hackeryd writes...

Now I can uninstall SP1 beta and hopefully this official Service Pack will fix that damn annoying problem Vista has not remembering windows positions.

Hopefully but for some reason I am doubting it because XP still has that issue (although not as bad) in SP2.

Riore writes...

Well, #**#!!!!

Heartfelt, but I think Kurvi has the right idea ;)

Its a shame, Vista has been rock solid for me since beta - since SP1 RC has been on, Vista has been suffering from memory leaks and application instability.

I realise its not RTM yet and the final version will be more stable - but it is interesting to note ;)

Kind regards

hackeryd writes...

Now I can uninstall SP1 beta and hopefully this official Service Pack will fix that damn annoying problem Vista has not remembering windows positions.

Opening windows at the same location / size they were at when last closed is the responsibility of the software which creates the window, not the OS. XP / Vista is not involved in window positioning unless the application does not specify a window location or unless it is system software such as Explorer (which operates in the same way - just that Explorer is seen as part of the OS).

So where is it? Is it available yet?

Protocol writes...

So where is it? Is it available yet?

Seems non-existent right now :)

Protocol writes...

So where is it? Is it available yet?

It's still only Feb. 3 in USA.

i hope windows has that website again where you can order it for free.. i mean i still have 5 xp SP2's hanging around.. (stupid timeouts :P )

I know most people on this forum have illegal software and Windows, how do you guys update? I remember I had a dodgy copy of XP 5 years ago and it would not let me update.

membreya writes...

d'awww :(

Dont' worry, they will be at it, as they always have.

EDIT: But I am looking forward to the service pack, I just hope it doesn't break my games.

You have to crack wga.

It's all I can say.

Cheers

Dave

P.S. it feels good to use a legit version of windows and not have to worry about all that crap.

Yep my days of dodgy XP and Vista are over i brought my copy of vista and dont regret it, no stuffing about with cracking and hacking!!

dreamscene writes...

I know most people on this forum have illegal software and Windows

And i very much doubt mate that MOST people on this forum have illegal windows, with your 5 post did u check how many people are actually use this forum? thats a pretty big chunk your claiming there. And alot of us know what a hassle it is to crack and apply patches and cant download this an that. I reakon if there was a poll you would be way of mark with MOST of us.

King Koopa writes...

Yep my days of dodgy XP and Vista are over i brought my copy of vista and dont regret it, no stuffing about with cracking and hacking!!

Yeah. I really don't think it is worth all the hassle and wasted time of keeping one step ahead of MS.

By the way. I just checked TechNet, and SP1 is not up there yet. It usually gets them early.

Yeah i was just looking around for it, cannot find it altho my sources arnt that good so if u do find it before me or anyone be sure to post it, now i just need to uninstall the RC version.

Does anyone know if there is a conclusive list anywhere of known bugs with Vista?

Have just got a copy myself and it would be good to know if there are problems that I should leave until they are fixed by experts.

^^ Most of the problems have been fixed now.

If your looking to install vista and are not sure, wait for SP1 (SP1 RC1 is a big step ahead of the RTM version) and install it in dual boot if you want to be safe.

King Koopa writes...

now i just need to uninstall the RC version.

I hope nothing breaks doing that.

I held off trying any pre-releases for the reason of having to uninstall before installing the final.

Protocol writes...

I hope nothing breaks doing that.

I held off trying any pre-releases for the reason of having to uninstall before installing the final.

I Was going to wait but i thought why not, as i just installed vista fresh anyway so i thought i may as well try it out, but now i have most of my programs etc installed so im hoping for a clean unistall of SP

Hellman109 writes...

(SP1 RC1 is a big step ahead of the RTM version)

err dont you mean it the other way round? RTM ahead of RC1?

RC1 is still beta, RTM is final.

ditroia writes...

it feels good to use a legit version of windows and not have to worry about all that crap.

Yes it does!

I've used the BIOS hacked version and didn't like what it did to my hard drive, but it did give me an opportunity to test out Vista prior to installing a legit version.

I don't feel sorry for any of those using the BIOS hack.

I've got Vista Home Premium OEM, who the hell would pay retail price for Vista?

Is SP1 out yet?

darktranq writes...

RC1 is still beta, RTM is final.

I think that he means that the SP1 RC1 is better than Vista RTM without any SP, RC or RTM.

Protocol writes...

I held off trying any pre-releases for the reason of having to uninstall before installing the final.

Yeah I waited a little while before jumping in, but I've been running SP1 RC1 for weeks now without issue. I wouldn't bother now though, just wait for the final release this month.

technin? writes...

I've got Vista Home Premium OEM, who the hell would pay retail price for Vista?

Same i got 3 copies of Ultimate from synnex for cheap as chips. retail is way over priced

King Koopa writes...

Same i got 3 copies of Ultimate from synnex for cheap as chips. retail is way over priced

Yeah I bought mine from Altech

how much is cheap as chips? oem is about $250 and the retail i saw in harvey norman for $750... absolutley stupid, both are ultimate editions.

MigA writes...

how much is cheap as chips? oem is about $250 and the retail i saw in harvey norman for $750... absolutley stupid, both are ultimate editions.

In the long run Retail is actually cheaper, But Im talking LONG run.

With OEM, you need to keep it on one machine, buy an upgrade license and its still tied to that origional machine, so to be properly licensed if you buy a new PC you need to buy a new license.

However, with Retail you can take it to all your new machines moving it as you go, then buy upgrades which still keep the retail licensing (can move it from one PC to another) so you can buy upgrades forever.

However, most people do the two install upgrade trick and such...

Who actually walks into hardly normal and says "oh, i WILL pick up a copy of ultimate for $750" seriously?

MaFi0s0 writes...

Who actually walks into hardly normal and says "oh, i WILL pick up a copy of ultimate for $750" seriously?

You'd be surprised mate how many actually do. Remember the first days Vista got released?

I'm building a new rig soon and ordering a copy this week of Vista Home premium OEM for $132 with it, i think Vista Ultimate is a waste of money not worth paying the extra for the average user. And no one in their right mind would pay $750 for Vista Ultimate

Can't wait for the final SP1 :)

Are we still discussing SP1?

flubber writes...

Can't wait for the final SP1 :)

Lol Microsoft cant do things right can they
2000 - 4 service packs
XP - 2 pushing 3
vista - who knows

some umm.. where is it? lol.. I hope it'll fix my boot problem :D every single boot I get two disk checks :( :'( WAAAA.. so annoying.. and instead of loading normally, it says 'loading windows files' and lists all the directories..

yes because even linux is bug free.. *cough*

im no windows fan boy, but come on.. a comment like that?

look at how many people go through the stages of fixing linux and closing security holes and all the progressive work people do on that.

no software is bug free. just be thankful they actually release fixes/patches/updates, otherwise we would really be in trouble.

It's monday. Where is the service pack?

Hellman109 writes...

In the long run Retail is actually cheaper, But Im talking LONG run.

i very very much doubt that.

window vista has been an exception to the rule that its lasted 5 years, in that time i have installed vista Xp 3 times, oem version. But i go through computers heaps fast. Im am now thinking about getting vista since sp1 is due out tomorrow (apparently) the difference between vista OEM 4 installs at $250 vs ultimate, lets say unlimited, means I could buy 2 oem versions 8 installs and I still save money, I don’t see how yuocan say its cheaper in the long, run, were not talking about 40 installs later here, lets be practical…. Also any one say windows 7 in 2009 ?

So no Vista SP1 today? I though it was too good to be true!

ummm Guys,

US is a day behind us.

lol.. my bad ,i googled it but got the wrong date :D well.. 30min to go? :D

EDIT: or not.. most of US is already monday..

THE M575 writes...

EDIT: or not.. most of US is already monday

yeh, the start work at 9:00 am, not 1 am

no one said anything about a time.. just a day.. we start work here at 9, yet people bought halo vista at 0:00

THE M575 writes...

lol.. my bad ,i googled it but got the wrong date :D well.. 30min to go? :D

EDIT: or not.. most of US is already monday..

could be late Monday US time. 1 more day is not gonna hurt.

THE M575 writes...

most of US is already monday..

Patience, you might have to wait for business hours not the middle of the night.

Is it out yet?

THE M575 writes...

no one said anything about a time.. just a day

sigh... thats right, and using your own logic against you it could be 11:59 PM monday, and still be with in the day of Monday.

technin? writes...

Is it out yet?

You'll see a massive thread on WP and other major forums, thats when you'll know it's out :D

MigA writes...

sigh... thats right, and using your own logic against you it could be 11:59 PM monday, and still be with in the day of Monday.

yes, but using previous knowledge, many things m$ come out at midnight.. so what makes this any different? set the system to release the update at 000 and bam.. *sigh*

THE M575 writes...

this any different? set the system to release the update at 000 and bam.. *sigh*

this isnt a game like halo, which has a world wide release data and is in such huge demand, if you havent notived SP1 is free........

free or not, it does have a rather large demand, and many people have been waiting for it since the release of Vista.

THE M575 writes...

free or not, it does have a rather large demand, and many people have been waiting for it since the release of Vista.

and you do realise ms have not given a date , except for the first Quater? you going on pure speculation..... get a hold of yoru self!

The article says that Vista SP1 is going to be released to manufacturers on monday 4th February US time. It says nothing about being released to the general public on that date.

The download speed is going to be sooo slow when SP1 is released, because lots of people want this SP.
Is this going to be compatible with all the software currently installed on my PC?

RTM is avail actually.. hmmm.. so home users dont get it yet..im a wittle confused.

I have been having trouble getting into TechNet Subscriber Downloads and Product Keys this afternoon. A message would come up saying the servers are very busy, try later. Now I cannot get in at all.

I am guessing many are trying to check for SP1.

Damn Yanks are a day behind us :P

Oh well I'm almost capped anyway :P

Only got 100megs left. Don't get uncapped till thursday :(

How big is this SP1 going to be?

duck* writes...

How big is this SP1 going to be?

Well the SP1 RC 32bit standalone update package was around 436mb so i don't expect the final SP1 to be too bigger than that.

flubber writes...

Well the SP1 RC 32bit standalone update package was around 436mb so i don't expect the final SP1 to be too bigger than that.

Sorry but whats the difference between those two?

I'm not very computer savvy :P

And should I get SP1 RC before I get the SP1?

Regards,

DUCKY

duck* writes...

And should I get SP1 RC before I get the SP1?

SP1 RC is just a test to see if the updates/patches will work in the Real Vista SP1.

And no, you wouldn't want RC1... Uninstall it when the new official SP1 comes out...

duck* writes...

And should I get SP1 RC before I get the SP1?

Nah buddy you must uninstall any beta SP1 before installing the official SP1.

duck* writes...

I'm not very computer savvy :P

And should I get SP1 RC before I get the SP1?

No, you shouldn't. RC means "release candidate". So it's a product Microsoft haven't officially released yet, but have put forth for testing as a candidate to BE the finished version. So while something is still in RC status, there are possibly still bugs and last minute things that can be found before they release it properly.

So, just wait for Service Pack 1 to be released, don't bother installing RC1 unless you absolutely need something thats included in it that can't wait for or you're willing to test it.

Non computer savvy users should prob avoid Betas and RCs, there's simply no point.

ish.bISH writes...

Is this going to be compatible with all the software currently installed on my PC?

Yes, it should. Microsoft aren't doing the major SPs anymore that end up breaking software, like XP SP2 did for instance.

Hellman109 writes...

With OEM, you need to keep it on one machine, buy an upgrade license and its still tied to that origional machine, so to be properly licensed if you buy a new PC you need to buy a new license.

Your concern is valid but, all you have to do is call MS activation and ask to activate again, I've read that all you have to say is that this is ONLY copy you're running and they will provide new activation code.

Retail key code, you still have to do the same (so in user's perspective, what gives??)

Greyeye writes...

I've read that all you have to say is that this is ONLY copy you're running and they will provide new activation code.

That's interesting. I have been told that with Vista OEM, once you activate it on a computer, that is the only computer that it can be activated on. That is where retail has the advantage.

Very confusing.

duck* writes...

Sorry but whats the difference between those two?

Check out my earlier post here forum-replies.cfm?t=910634#r7 for the difference between the standalone vs windows update versions.

membreya writes...

Thanks mate :)
Anti-Hack Patches

Also coming with SP1 but not in the current release candidate, we will also be including updates that deal with two exploits we have seen, which can affect system stability for our customers

* The OEM BIOS exploit, which involves modifying system files and the BIOS of the motherboard to mimic a type of product activation performed on copies of Windows that are pre-installed by OEMs in the factory.


LOL!, since when has the possibility to bypass compulsory product activation affect system stability?
Typical microsoft BS!

ish.bISH writes...

The download speed is going to be sooo slow when SP1 is released, because lots of people want this SP.

That is where AKAMAI comes in :)

Protocol writes...

That's interesting. I have been told that with Vista OEM, once you activate it on a computer, that is the only computer that it can be activated on. That is where retail has the advantage.

Yes this is correct, but it's not a physical/real world limitation. That is just how the licence terms and conditions read, and you should obide by them.

In practice, it's a different story.

I have the pre-release version of SP1 installed that was released last year. Do I have to uninstall the old SP1 and then install the new SP1?

dreamscene writes...

I have the pre-release version of SP1 installed that was released last year. Do I have to uninstall the old SP1 and then install the new SP1?

Are you talking about the Release Candidate?

Then yes, you do have to uninstall it when you install the official SP1 pack.

2day writes...

Then yes, you do have to uninstall it when you install the official SP1 pack.

And apparently allow one hour for the Windows uninstaller to settle before installing the official SP1.

hackeryd writes...

And apparently allow one hour for the Windows uninstaller to settle before installing the official SP1.

really? How would that make a difference?

hackeryd writes...

And apparently allow one hour for the Windows uninstaller to settle before installing the official SP1.

Man sounds a bit complicated. I do not want to format my HD and install a fresh copy as I have a lot of things set the way I want for the last 12 months. Maybe I will just pass on the official SP1 release as my pre-release version is working perfectly.

Dude its easy, just uninstall the beta SP1 (google you beta SP1 and go to MS link and it will tell you how to uninstall). After that, allow your comp to sit there for an hour or so (you can still do whatever you want) and then download and install official SP1. Easy. :)

dreamscene writes...

Maybe I will just pass on the official SP1 release as my pre-release version is working perfectly.

You will have to update eventually as SP1 RC will stop working by mid year!

So ...is it out yet??

So ...is it out yet??

Doesn't appear to be, it's still only 3.23AM in the US.

Funny how a thing like a service pack is making us jump out of our skins ...buncha nerds we are!

ish.bISH writes...

The download speed is going to be sooo slow when SP1 is released, because lots of people want this SP.

The Big Red Fish! writes...

That is where AKAMAI comes in :)

Bit torrent does have its good uses....

coolio2006 writes...

Funny how a thing like a service pack is making us jump out of our skins ...buncha nerds we are!

Lol, I wanna see Vista become more glorified with this service pack, it's like experiencing a monumental moment in time. :)

coolio2006 writes...

Funny how a thing like a service pack is making us jump out of our skins ...buncha nerds we are!

Hey, did you line up at the shops when MS-DOS 6.22 Step-Up was released?! :)

hackeryd writes...

Lol, I wanna see Vista become more glorified with this service pack, it's like experiencing a monumental moment in time

You're a bigger nerd than me with that sorta stuff :P

Eaglehawk writes...

Hey, did you line up at the shops when MS-DOS 6.22 Step-Up was released?!

Nope, we've found out ultimate nerd ...hehe jk :)

I like Vista, but some things do bug me about it ...for some reason usb devices don't work too well on my one.

The Big Red Fish! writes...

Typical microsoft BS!

Yes, I thought it was nice that they are doing this purely out of concern for the system stability of their customers. Though I'm not sure why they imagine that their customers would have this thing installed on their system to begin with.

since this is only RTM and not for public....that means is has to be leaked first...and that might take a while...

what is this?

technet.microsoft.com/en...ta/bb738089.aspx

Is that a diff sp1?

Vico writes...

since this is only RTM and not for public

RTM doesn't mean its not available to the public.
if there is a staggered release it'll be available to partners and testers, then technet and msdn then anyone, though I suspect it'll be available to everyone at once.

I'd also wager that the 4th is a red herring,
I remember vista being available 1st up in the morning aest on november when they put it on msdn

umm i know this is a bit to ask..but i got slow net so i cant d/l the 436mb standalone version..but Vista comp aint connected to net so i cant update via windows update...Can someone PLEASE when they get Vista sp1 and are on Vista 32bit when they update via windows update after its finished downloading maybe copy all files and 7zip them up and Upload them somewhere......itd save me literally days of downloading time...

you may also be able to get in a magaine cover cd

how do i know if i have vista?

MMM7 writes...

how do i know if i have vista?

:s

press the windows key and the "Break" key
if you have vista it will be in the properties window displayed

you may also be able to get in a magaine cover cd

The earliest theyd have them in cover cds is next month :( when new mags come up

Sprooty writes...

Bit torrent does have its good uses....

Already on torrent sites:
Build 6001.18000.080118-1840 is official.

Build 6001.18000.080126-2040 is China release.

According to Neowin the 6001.18000.080118-1840 build contained a major bug, which is fixed in the newer 6001.18000.080126-2040 build.

So I guess we'll have to wait and find out what build will turn up on WU.

edit - 6001.18000.080126-2040 build.
(Being 26-01-08?)

bill?bong writes...

According to Neowin the 6001.18000.080118-1840 build contained a major bug, which is fixed in the newer 6001.18000.080126-2040 build.

Ooo, ooo, that must have been the bug I just reported forum-replies.cfm?t=910634#r5

LOL.

BTW, the problem I reported was with PING.EXE ... hardly a major bug ;)

bill?bong writes...

6-2040 is China release.

foflmao, the first version release is only in 5 languages, and CHINESE is NOT one of them... lmao

English, French, German, Japanese, and Spanish. are..... bitorent sure has its good uses, but it also has clowns on there.

The Big Red Fish! writes...

LOL!, since when has the possibility to bypass compulsory product activation affect system stability?

After SP1 is installed you won't be able to run if you have a bypassed system so that would affect stability.

... oh, wait a minute ;)

Confirmation of RTM (also Server 2008):

www.news.com/8301-13860_3-9863959-56.html

www.microsoft.com/pressp...4VistaSP1MA.mspx

Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1) was released to manufacturing today and will start being available to customers in March, starting with Microsoft Volume Licensing customers.

Not available till March!

www.microsoft.com/pressp...4VistaSP1MA.mspx

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kabukiman writes...

Not available till March!

www.microsoft.com/pressp...4VistaSP1MA.mspx

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Page not working..

King Koopa writes...

Page not working..

Worked for me in both FF & IE.

The blog goes into the intended rollout in a bit more detail.

windowsvistablog.com/blo...s-vista-sp1.aspx

The Windows Server 2008 RTM downloads are now avaialble for those in the beta programs, but no sign of Vista SP1 yet.

All the SP1 "RC" download links have just been removed from Technet. :)

Damn not available till March ... I was rather hoping not to get it off torrents ..

elmar01 writes...

Damn not available till March ...

Looking like it might turn up on Technet very soon?

elmar01 writes...

Damn not available till March ...

... on Windows Update.

Downloads from Connect / TechNet / MSDN may be a lot sooner.

MigA writes...

foflmao, the first version release is only in 5 languages, and CHINESE is NOT one of them... lmao

More to it than meets the eye my friend. ;-)

Chinese adjusted.

Protocol writes...

That's interesting. I have been told that with Vista OEM, once you activate it on a computer, that is the only computer that it can be activated on. That is where retail has the advantage.

OEM does not give you the right to call ms for support. I think that might be the only real hurdle these days.

Nope i have rang microsoft several times with my OEM and have activated it on 3 diffrent build machines not all at the same time tho

bill?bong writes...

More to it than meets the eye my friend. ;-)

Chinese adjusted.

yeh, refresh 2 for chinese packaged as the final thing, unless they have a time machine your out of luck.

King Koopa writes...

Nope i have rang microsoft several times with my OEM and have activated it on 3 diffrent build machines not all at the same time tho

All product support is done by the company that sold you the OEM, but you can call MS about activation and WGA issues.

Steve writes...

Windows Server 2008 RTM

This is now available on Technet.

March? I thought it was meant to be available now?

"To do this, we will begin making SP1 available through Windows Update in mid-March"

windowsvistablog.com/blo...s-vista-sp1.aspx

So we have to wait another 5-6 weeks to be disappointed? Outstanding. I'm looking forward to the 'wait for SP2 pack' crowd to get harping.

You can hear it now 'SP1 sucked. Vista sucks. Wait for SP2. Grab SP3 for XP blah, blah, blah'. Fun times ahead.

It's out.

www.microsoft.com/downlo...8&displaylang=en

Ghoulie writes...

It's out.

thats the Automated Installation Kit, not sp1