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I get real crap download speeds when downloading torrents, I have adsl2+ and connect at about 8mb but can only download torrents at about 15kb/s. I've tried azureus, bittorrent and utorrent. can anyone help me please?

Tried portforwqarding, my torrent speeds are also getting slower. I remember when I hit 150kb/s but now I get barely past 40kb/s, ADSL1 Melbourne.

golfa writes...

I have adsl2+ and connect at about 8mb

The speed of your internet connection has little to do with the speed you will download torrents. You need ot take into account the seed to leech ratio, the upload speeds that seeds make available. You also need to forward the correct ports from your router to your computer, and restrict the number of simultaneous connections to a number that your connection can support... etc etc etc

can anyone help me please?

Work through the peer to peer wiki, and then post any questions you might have left after you have, in the peer to peer forum.
forum-replies.cfm?t=393475

i've tried port forwarding and limiting number of globe connections and all that. nothing seems to help. am I just wasting my time is this as good as i'm going to get?

golfa writes...

i've tried port forwarding and limiting number of globe connections and all that. nothing seems to help. am I just wasting my time is this as good as i'm going to get?

What client are you using? Maybe I can help :]

Open Utorrent and limit uploading to 10KB/s.
Max Global Connections: 200
Maximum number of connections per torrent: 50
Number of Upload slots: 5

Go into COnnections and Tick
Enable UPnP port Mapping
Add utorrent to WIndows Firewall exceptions
Enable NAT-PMP port mapping.

Then Force start a torrent and give it 10 minutes and check the icon down the bottom of the client to see if its a green tick/yellow icon or red icon.

Jack.Daniels writes...

The speed of your internet connection has little to do with the speed you will download torrents. You need ot take into account the seed to leech ratio, the upload speeds that seeds make available. You also need to forward the correct ports from your router to your computer, and restrict the number of simultaneous connections to a number that your connection can support... etc etc etc

I have heard that same thing so many times. My setup hasn't changed yet my speeds have. Recently my torrent speeds haven't gone over 70 KB/s (normally around 30 - 50 KB/s). Before it used to be able to touch around 200 KB/s and if lucky 300 KB/s. So, has to be something else.

About the seed to leech ratio, it can't be that suddenly all the torrents I am downloading have crap ratios. The upload speed has stayed the same. Correct port has been forwarded.

I used to get a mixture of fast and slow downloads depending on the number of seeds and other variables. Now all my downloads are very slow. It now takes eight hours+ to download what used to take one to two hours. I have not changed any of my settings. I think something must have changed as non torrent downloads are just as fast as they used to be.

yup for me on dsl direct my torrents are capped max 1.1MB/s whereas i get 1.5MB/s through HTTP and FTP.

Never gone over 1mB/s on cable, but I hardly expect to

My advice, make sure you have port forwarded and use an obscure port

I regularly download torrents with a down speed of 4mb per sec which seems fine to me.

At the end of the day, they don't shape torrents. If and when they decided to do that, you'd see it appear explicitly in the terms and conditions, just as it does for Virgin Broadband.

Personally I suspect it is pretty safe to assume that it will happen one day, but that day hasn't come.

TicTacToe writes...

Personally I suspect it is pretty safe to assume that it will happen one day, but that day hasn't come.

To everyone or just people on new plans?

I only use private torrents and speeds are 300-500kb/s

Public FTL...

I had 5kb/s on Linux distros...

Not the real Monty writes...

So, has to be something else.

You're right, it has to be something else.. but while others, in this thread and in previous threads, still report good speeds it's obviously not because of something your ISP has done.

i wouldnt be surprised if optus randomly throttle the protocol. so if using utorrent, go into the speed guide settings and enable encryption. also go into Preferences / Bittorrent and enable Protocol Encryption

that "may" help

Jack.Daniels writes...

You're right, it has to be something else.. but while others, in this thread and in previous threads, still report good speeds it's obviously not because of something your ISP has done.

I've been on Optus ADSL2+ for about 18 months and there have been no changes here, I can safely get around 750kB/s down and 40kB/s up with no noticeable slowing of normal internet use on the other computers in the house.

... dupe post

motojosh writes...

To everyone or just people on new plans?

given all new plans from optus count uploads, I would be supprised if people that do p2p would even look at them, let alone join them.

forum-replies.cfm?t=830887

www.azureuswiki.com/inde...d_ISPs#Australia

The same old same old, poor client setup, use the speed guide, it would have been a courtesy to post what router, what OS, what AV, what software firewall you have. Your upload bandwith is flooding the connection.

ADSL2 1mb upload?

golfa writes...

I've tried port forwarding and limiting number of globe connections and all that. nothing seems to help. am I just wasting my time is this as good as I'm going to get?

Pretty much so, like I said use the Speed Guide and work you way forward from there.

greenhawk writes...

given all new plans from optus count uploads, I would be supprised if people that do p2p would even look at them, let alone join them.

Even before that, they were crap. OP you maybe getting kick banned by the no leeching Optus/Telstra lists. :D

Muad'Dib writes...

Even before that, they were crap.

In my opinion they were very good , for 2 yrs I paid $49 for 36gb @1500/256, during that period NO other aussie ISP could match it, so how is that crap ??? No UL`s counted, No excess fess, & no throttling.

I`m on the same conditions now but have 60gb for $69 /mth, but yes the newer plans are not suited to p2p

to the OP, just ignore the ban lists, contrary to a minority opinion they don`t work anyway.

brick_n_hammer writes...

In my opinion they were very good , for 2 yrs I paid $49 for 36gb @1500/256, during that period NO other aussie ISP could match it, so how is that crap ??? No UL`s counted, No excess fess, & no throttling.


Yeh nothing like a bit of cognitive dissonance to help keep the thread open. That is akin to those who when BigPond dropped their crap 3 gig allowance on the public and some said OMG how generous was the 3 gigs. Me I churned.

brick_n_hammer writes...

to the OP, just ignore the ban lists, contrary to a minority opinion they don`t work anyway.

So you keep on saying, but they do. :D

According to the Bad List which Optus are on they limit P2P, if that was me I would say sayonara and take my BT client and my hard earned dosh and churn.

brick_n_hammer writes...

In my opinion they were very good , for 2 yrs I paid $49 for 36gb @1500/256, during that period NO other aussie ISP could match it, so how is that crap ??? No UL`s counted, No excess fess, & no throttling.

I payed that too tpg for unlimited adsl1 with tpg for 3 years. Matched.

I get fine speeds around 500KB/s on most if not all my torrents. The people who actually use the ban list are just wasting their time it doesn't actually do anything major in the long run.

Edit: I am on the 20/40 Optus Cable plan.

Muad'Dib writes...

According to the Bad List which Optus are on they limit P2P

Wow Optus limit P2P now, I didn't know :0

I didn't realise with my peewee 512 connection. Thanks for the info

Muad'Dib writes...

According to the Bad List which Optus are on they limit P2P,
Pfft...........If Optus limits P2P I'd love to know when.
My 800 kb/s downloads beg to differ.

Has anyone got an proof of Optus limiting P2P or is it a he said she said type of thing?

optus do limit p2p... too me that is.. and i know my setup and compared between internode and iinet...

http and ftp is uncapped at my sync speed @ ~1.5MB/s.

my torrents on the other hand are limited to ~1-1.2MB/s... just doesnt add up with overhead.

all my torrent sources are 'fast'.

shazosbourne writes...

Has anyone got an proof of Optus limiting P2P or is it a he said she said type of thing?

Read the link I posted, it is listed as a bad ISP.

No wonder the anti leeching lists were made up. :D

shazosbourne writes...

My 800 kb/s downloads beg to differ.


Take a medal out of petty cash for a tape measure post. :D

Muad'Dib writes...

Read the link I posted, it is listed as a bad ISP.


My mistake, I thought the OP asked if Optus throttles P2P based on him/her having crap download speeds. Not whether if it was on some "bad ISP" list.

No wonder the anti leeching lists were made up. :D

Don't assume to know my leeching habits. My ratio is over 3.5, given I have only downloaded 8.1GB. Don't tar all p2p users on Optus with the same brush.

Take a medal out of petty cash for a tape measure post. :D

Will do.

Muad'Dib writes...

eh nothing like a bit of cognitive dissonance to help keep the thread open.

this seems like a malapropism, I don`t think Festinger (who coined the term) would understand the context in which the term is trying be to used here ?

So you keep on saying, but they do. :D


back to this `old` yes/no debate...well all I can say is in no way at all have I ever noticed a reduction in speed in either direction, so if they do work, they don`t work on me...
which brings me to the next point ..`According to the Bad List which Optus are on they limit P2P,`

Optus do not (repeat DO NOT) throttle P2P, just because their on some `list` means very little, I certainly don`t believe everything I read, especially on the net...just putting on my tin-foil hat for protection.

wismanandy writes...

I payed that too tpg for unlimited adsl1 with tpg for 3 years. Matched.

Mate, what a great deal...3yrs awesome, I wouldn`t call that crap nor my 2 yr deal

shazosbourne writes...

Don't assume to know my leeching habits. My ratio is over 3.5, given I have only downloaded 8.1GB. Don't tar all p2p users on Optus with the same brush.


That the whole rationale behind the lists...an assumption based on, well lets be completely honest anecdotal fiction, 3 explanations have been provided in previous threads, all of which are at best are baseless. Yes we are ALL tarred with the same brush (good rationale again !) and its not just Optus either. Have you noticed any reduction in p2p speeds ? that's because they don`t actually do anything except in the minds of those using them.

Devils writes...

Wow Optus limit P2P now, I didn't know :0

Optus do not limit P2P. This is a nonsense permeated in this thread. They count uploads on NEW plans only.

Muad'Dib writes...

Even before that, they were crap. OP you maybe getting kick banned by the no leeching Optus/Telstra lists. :D

I don't consider $69 for 20/40 GB "Crap". Even with the minority of Australian P2P users implementing the lists, the impact of the ban lists from what I see on my client is minuscule. I still see plenty of in country peers to share with.

Muad'Dib writes...

According to the Bad List which Optus are on they limit P2P, if that was me I would say sayonara and take my BT client and my hard earned dosh and churn.

The sky is not falling chicken little. Show me the hard evidence ie: Optus website T&C, everything else is hearsay. If they are limiting P2P then getting 300k/s on a torrent like I did last night is a pretty generous limit!

J3d1 writes...

Optus do not limit P2P.

Correct

This is a nonsense permeated in this thread.

Correct...whats new ?

I don't consider $69 for 20/40 GB "Crap"

correct nor is $49 36gb 1500/256

Show me the hard evidence

there is none, nor any proof that the lists work either way !

Quickly little chicken...take cover !!!

Optus are on bad ISP lists because of the new upload policy. Nothing to do with shaping P2P as far as I know. Im certainly not shaped.

Muad'Dib writes...

OP you maybe getting kick banned by the no leeching Optus/Telstra lists. :D

ROFL. I doubt there's more than 5 people using those lists.

There is congestion at times on Optus, but i can still get at least 1.25MB/s (10Mbps) anytime of the day with private trackers / usenet.

AFAIK Optus doesn't shape P2P and they even told me that over the phone when I signed up for the contract in late 2006. Since then I have been receiving the relevant speeds which I should be getting with P2P, 1.5Mbps connection (150-170 Kbps).

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-SpydeR- writes...

I have been receiving the relevant speeds which I should be getting with P2P,

just as we all do.

shazosbourne writes...

Don't assume to know my leeching habits. My ratio is over 3.5, given I have only downloaded 8.1GB. Don't tar all p2p users on Optus with the same brush.

Wow that would be impressive if ratios meant something. :D

Ratios are a toy of anal private site admins.

-SpydeR- writes...

AFAIK Optus doesn't shape P2P and they even told me that over the phone when I signed up for the contract in late 2006. Since then I have been receiving the relevant speeds which I should be getting with P2P, 1.5Mbps connection (150-170 Kbps).

There was a few reports back a year ago in this forum (not going to rummage through the archive just in case you are going to ask) about Optus doing exactly that, suspending accounts for excessive uploads.

Well may one of you Optus jockeys might want to report this to Big Cheeses of the Azureus team so they wipe this scurrilous slur, me doesn't mean a hoot, Optus and Telstra still stay on the lists. :D

Muad'Dib writes...

Ratios are a toy of anal private site admins.


Thats interesting, I thought ratios gave information about seeding, you know the opposite of leeching, which is one reason given why the lists are used....

Wow that would be impressive if ratios meant something. :D


a good ratio means you share a bad ratio means you don`t....I`m confused now, I thought the lists blocked leeches ie: bad ratio & yet now the information is ratio means nothing, sorta like the lists used to stoop leeches...play fair ?

Muad'Dib writes...

There was a few reports back a year ago in this forum (not going to rummage through the archive just in case you are going to ask) about Optus doing exactly that, suspending accounts for excessive uploads.

that was cable ONLY on certain nodes ONLY and at certain times ONLY to a very small number of users...ppl were given warnings first....I wouldn`t call this throttling.

I`m not an Optus `jockey, I think their current plans are crap for heavy users, their `old` plans are good value though.

the old unlimited/unlimited pro plans are great, 20/40gb a month for $69 when bundling is great imo, in fact iinet offers an almost identical plan bc.whirlpool.net.au/isp....5-2.html?p=10035

i've never suffered from slow p2p either, i regularly max out my connection (750kb/s) and i've uploaded 150gb in a month without getting any warnings.

these rumors need to be stamped out, there's no evidence that optus slow down/restrict p2p in any way. I can't say anything about the propensity of optus users to keep seeding after finishing torrent downloads (and since it is a more mainstream ISP there might be something there), but it would be an unnoticable effect in the long run. the bigpond/optusnet blocking lists are for people looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

brick_n_hammer writes...

that was cable ONLY on certain nodes ONLY and at certain times ONLY to a very small number of users...ppl were given warnings first....I wouldn`t call this throttling.

Thanks for that update, well then I suppose you can now go and tell the Big Cheeses over at Azureus that Optus is after all not a bad ISP, it just has lots of users that are leechers. :D

WaryWolf writes...

these rumors need to be stamped out, there's no evidence that optus slow down/restrict p2p in any way.

I think an entry on the ever growing "Official Bad List" is more than a rumour, easily fixed update the WIKI and remove the slur on the good name of Optus. :D

OMG just saying that word sends horror shivers down the spine. :D)

So the verdict after much deliberation, is that (drum roll) Optus doesn't "throttle P2P.

Strike up the band. :D (Meanwhile, those Aus boys flogged the Lankans.)

WaryWolf writes...

there's no evidence that optus slow down/restrict p2p in any way.

& there never has been

but it would be an unnoticable effect in the long run.

right again

the bigpond/optusnet blocking lists are for people looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

exactly, but wait for the baseless replies ! e.g `poor choice of ISP`, the list do work, etc,

.

Matey it is official Optus doesn't shape P2P, sing praise the Lord, Hallelujah, sweet baby Jesus, Lord Almighty above and it isn't even Sunday.

Optus doesn't throttle now who would of thought eh? the things you read about on the net.

Muad'Dib writes...

That's the job of the users that have seed boxes

lol, no one is paying for servers to feed the leecher playgrounds you're familiar with. Seed boxes exist purely as a result of the ratio system, and one benefits accordingly by <gasp> maintaining the dreaded ratio.

Muad'Dib writes...

Have a yarn with that leecher who came in here and begged for the lists so he could leech more

You have mentioned this a lot in this forum. I thought he was a Bigpond customer, not Optus. forum-replies.cfm?t=562710. I can't see any begging there either. Anyway what does that have to do with Optus not shaping downloads?

Optus don't and never have throttled P2P, you heard it here first, a Whirlpool exclusive.

Nah. Just read the Optus T&C and the Optusnet Forum forum-threads.cfm?f=15 . Old news, move on.............

Muad'Dib writes...

I think an entry on the ever growing "Official Bad List" is more than a rumour, easily fixed update the WIKI and remove the slur on the good name of Optus. :D

Like many of the rumours circulating around this p2p forum. Link for the wiki entry please, and I'll fix it. ;0)

J3d1 writes...

You have mentioned this a lot in this forum. I thought he was a Bigpond customer, not Optus.

yeh, thats what I thought too,

I can't see any begging there either.

can`t say I have either

Anyway what does that have to do with Optus not shaping downloads?

nothing at all....you`ve made some good `on topic` observations, everything you said is correct.

J3d1 writes...

Like many of the rumours circulating around this p2p forum. Link for the wiki entry please, and I'll fix it. ;0)

The link I posted, you whippersnappers, sheesh, well saving your young legs.

www.azureuswiki.com/inde...d_ISPs#Australia

J3d1 writes...

Old news, move on....

I have.

Meanwhile.

J3d1 writes...

You have mentioned this a lot in this forum. I thought he was a Bigpond customer, not Optus. forum-replies.cfm?t=562710. I can't see any begging there either. Anyway what does that have to do with Optus not shaping downloads?

Easily fixed, done and dusted, edited.

Muad'Dib writes...

Easily fixed, done and dusted, edited.

:0)

re: All these wonderful speeds (hundreds of KB/s)... are these achieved with any number of seeders/peers, torrents of any age, etc?
The downloads I want tend to be on older torrents and just have 1 or 2 seeders on a good day. For the last 10 hrs, I've probably been averaging about 1KB/s, with download being contributed by mostly peers but occasionally 1 seeder who gives me 0.9KB/s.
Usually, I just download through 1 torrent at a time.

I'm not trying to resurrect the arguments about lists and throttling and so on.

I was just asking for clarification of a point: when YOU talk about fast downloads of 500KB/s (for example), are YOU talking about NEW torrents that have a few hundred seeders, and running dozens of torrents simultaneously?
Or not?

What would YOU expect from 1 torrent only with 1 seeder and a few peers?

Thank you.
:D

Note:
I'm on Optus ADSL2+ ... 20/40 plan.
I have a AMD computer made in 2001 but my direct downloads from Rapidshare, using FlashGet, average about 500KB/s.
I'm happy with that.
Its just uTorrent downloads that are sheyat.
:p

Destry writes...

Its just uTorrent downloads that are sheyat.

Poor client setup and the old anti leech feature in uTorrent, screw the upload and you scerw the download.

Well, sorry, but your answer has nothing to do with my question.

Destry writes...

Well, sorry, but your answer has nothing to do with my question.

Umm if you are talking to me proper client setup pretty much goes to solving most slow downloads.

Coupled with not screwing upload, that's why Azureus and uTorrent both have an anti leech feature just for that reason so that you play the BT game properly and share.

Optus do not shape torrents.

Muad'Dib writes...

Umm if you are talking to me proper client setup pretty much goes to solving most slow downloads...
I did not really want any suggestions why MY download performance was bad.
Instead, my post concerned how most of the previous replies in this thread boasted of very fast downloads.
It was about the question about THOSE claims. Just them.
I asked: "... when YOU talk about fast downloads of 500KB/s (for example), are YOU talking about NEW torrents that have a few hundred seeders, and running dozens of torrents simultaneously?
Or not?

What would YOU expect from 1 torrent only with 1 seeder and a few peers?"

So, yes, I'm wondering about the performance when YOU download very rare files (old torrents) where there are NOW:

-1- almost no seeders
-2- almost no peers
-3- only one torrent active (ie. YOU are not downloading 100 movies in parralel where your 500KB/s speed might come from 5 KB/s x 100 files)
-4- public trackers are used.

One poster talked about 150gb download/month. In comparison, I might download 1 movie / month because thats all I am interested in doing (I can't find it at any video rental outlet because its old and they won't make money from it). So, I wanted to know if another downloader under MY conditions #1-4 above would expect 500KB/s download?
Thank you, Muad'Dib.
:D

Tbh... if you have 1 seed and a few peers, I wouldn't expect 500kb/s download speed.

However, if the seed has a fast connection or the peers you're connected to have fast connections, then you might be able to get it down at a reasonable fast speed.

Though really, in such situations, it depends on the connection speed of the seed and peers.

I experience what you have very commonly... and the download speeds and quite bad.. when I mean bad, ~1-4kb/s.

But hey, when you really want a file, you do whatever to get it :)

Mushrooms writes...

But hey, when you really want a file, you do whatever to get it :)

This is what private sites can be useful as they usually have the torrent seeded on a seedbox with a high speed internet connection. But then again on most private sites a ratio has got to be maintained.

www.azureuswiki.com/inde...d_ISPs#Australia
"limits bandwidth for accounts with a high traffic volume" what does this mean?

I'm a frequent downloaded(always use up my cap before end of the month) and my BT client is properly set up but my speeds are horrible lately at an average of 20kbps when downloading stuff with high seeds(i remember getting 100kbps max last month, which is godsent to me).

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