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Does anyone know if there are plans for a nextG blackberry anytime soon?

I'm really looking forward to one, I did use a blackberry previously but need the speed of nextG as a travelling internet connection. JasJam doesnt quiet cut it for email in my opinion.

A while ago I heard about mid 07, but cant find any information to support that.

Thanks :)

At this stage there hasn't been any info released on one, to my knowledge. The closest you can get at the moment would be the Palm Treo 750 or the Samsung Blackjack, but both are Windows based, with the Blackjack arguably the most Blackberry-like. Both are capable of push email out of the box if your organisation runs Exchange.

a Next G blackberry won't land till December or January.

The blackjack is quite blackberry like as its got the scroll wheel and qwerty keyboard.

Thanks guys, thats unfortunate, love the blackberrys. Will have a look at the BlackJack as an alternative I think!

Cheers :)

Mr Murano writes...

a Next G blackberry won't land till December or January.

Before or after the CDMA network is switched?

CDMA closure is Feb 07 so..

If you don't like the way the Jasjam handles email, have you tried using emose. If you want remote updating of Outlook then this is the answer. Not just for the Jasjam but many phones and PDAs.

emose?

i can't find anything online...can you link me?

what does this program do? email reader to replace mobile outlook, or OTA to replace activesync?

bcrowl writes...

CDMA closure is Feb 07 so..

January 2008. it's 2007 this year mate....

But who knows? The government might block Telstra from closing it in Jan, if services of nextg aren't capable yet.

I thought one of the reasons the NEXT G network wasn't quite up to scratch was due to CDMA still being used.

Sorry, incorrect spelling, should be "emoze" go to www.emoze.com

Check out sites like Engadget - new Berries out in the US this week :)

Hope this link helps.

www.cnet.com.au/mobileph...339279922,00.htm

I currently use a 7250 CDMA Blackberry and as the network is being closed on the 24th Jan 08, I thought I better upgrade. However, as the article explains there isn't currently a NextG option.

I rang Telstra and all they could say was bad luck and suggested a Palm Treo 750 or the Samsung Blackjack. Seems if you like Blackberry and you have a CDMA unit, you're pretty much stuffed. Thanks Telstra.

DraaYak writes...

Seems if you like Blackberry and you have a CDMA unit, you're pretty much stuffed. Thanks Telstra.

Well you should thank RIM for not releasing a UMTS 850mhz device.

DraaYak writes...

Seems if you like Blackberry and you have a CDMA unit, you're pretty much stuffed. Thanks Telstra.

Well you should thank RIM for not releasing a UMTS 850mhz device.

Spoke to my Telstra account manager and he's now saying around April to May '08.

The Nokia E51 just released has Blackberry ability

Graham007 writes...

Graham007... The Nokia E51 just released has Blackberry ability

However they are not compatible with the telstra network yet. there are still bugs in the system despite there being blackberry codes in MNC. Hopefully will be fixed soon. Otherwise try the previously mentioned treo, q9 or blackjack (in that order for reception) and add GOOD email

I have been using the E51 with our BES for the past week on NextG and it works great. The SIM is NextG and BES enabled.

Blackberry connect can fill the void for now.
Any windows mobile five or six device is capable of running the blackberry software.
downside is it is very cpu intensive.
next g (hsdpa) blackberry not for a while yet.

Browsing speeds will only be increased when a connection speed is above 512kbps as web browsing via GPRS on a blackberry is done by the blackberry enterprise server and compressed into a smaller format thus reducing the size of the page, where as a winmob device fetch's it directly from the site.

trancemaasta writes...

Browsing speeds will only be increased when a connection speed is above 512kbps as web browsing via GPRS on a blackberry is done by the blackberry enterprise server and compressed into a smaller format thus reducing the size of the page, where as a winmob device fetch's it directly from the site.

Does this mean regardless of nextG release, and increased hsdpa bandwidth capacity, a BB will always be slightly slower than a comparable windows or symbian os device?

For the benefit of reduced internet usage how much outright speed do you lose?

quite the opposite.

you typically have a massive pipe (including caching etc...) accessible via your Blackberry Enterprise Server at your work. the server will do the browsing for you, then compress the data and encrypt it and send it down to the handheld.

so in effect if a next g handheld of any flavour and a blackberry on a BES with next g were to have a downloading race, the Blackberry would win in theory.

WAP will always be browsed directly through the mobile network and the Blackberry Internet Browsing service does the same as using a BES but through the RIM infrastructure in Canada(or RIM relay as i would assume)

I've been Blackberry'ing on NextG for a few months now and via a BES. JasJam is the answer, you can search on XDA-Developers to find out how. The recent backflip by Telstra in releasing a WM6 Rom for the JasJam might be pointing towards an 'official BB release' for this device.

Not sure I agree that browsing, via HSPDA, on the BB service is faster due to the compression, my experience is that the BB Browser is still quite slow (& considerably slower than using a standard browser).

does anyone know where I can get the Blackberry client for the E51?
I cannot seem to find it on the Nokia site.

thanks,
procrastinator

The BB connect software can be downloaded directly on the handset through the download util. Hope this helps.

thanks.
trying to access catalog on telstra but no luck (Unable to retrieve)
I will try again later.

cheers,
p

thanks, Baxter Brittle.
got the software eventually.

Hey i was just searching for the same thing.

I've come across the blackberry pearl which says it works on the 850mhz band that the next g network uses.

has anyone perhaps got the new phone on the next g network?

www.discoverblackberry.c...11552s&HBX_OU=50

Quote from Link:

The BlackBerry Pearl provides Quad-Band network support on 850/900/1800/1900 MHz GSM/GPRS and EDGE* networks to allow for international roaming between North America, Europe and Asia Pacific.

Is this the phone we've all been after?

No.

The Pearl is a GSM device. Next G is an 850Mhz UMTS (with HSDPA) network.

Bogus Jimmy writes...

he Pearl is a GSM device. Next G is an 850Mhz UMTS (with HSDPA) network.

Yep, BJ is correct.

It's just all becoming a little confusing with overlapping frequencies on GSM and 3G networks.

The peral 2 will have wifi , i.e. UMA, only GSM/GPRS/EDGE thogh as quoted.

A 3G/3.5G BB is in the works and should be out in 08. i can't wait!

apparently.... nothing definate as of yet though.

Telstra will have one out by May / June.

Is this public knowledge or internal telstra or rim ?

From the mouth of my Telstra rep.

There had initially been rumor of December but I talked to them in November and it was said 'May / June'.

When it comes down to it, it will be when RIM is happy with a device.
As we know, they don't release a device till they are 100% happy with it.

If you wanted to sign a NDA with RIM and Telstra, they'd tell you more.

The NextG Blackberry? - www.boygeniusreport.com/...ackberry-8-x-x-x

cant wait for this...but wont be joining telstra though! hah..

Last time I asked Telstra (October) they told me that they didn't supported blackberry on NextG and the BB plan weren't available on NextG.
They told me that if I wanted push email, I would have to use on of their MS system

So has people managed to enable the BB APN with their nextG device?
Jean-Yves

jya

i read somewhere someone got it working on a Nokia E51 with BB connect running, technically thats NextG? sorry i cant be more helpful - i am in a rush to get off the comp.

There's a couple of NextG devices which have "BlackBerry connect" - the Nokia E51, as you say, and also the Palm Treo 750 - although, note, only with Windows Mobile 5. For whatever reason, BlackBerry Connect doesn't come with the WM6 upgrade to the Treo 750 nor appears to be downloadable.

Of course, with BlackBerry Connect, you get the push e-mail aspect, but you lose some other features that the native BlackBerry offers.

Ok... Blackberry Connect devices (i.e. non RIM manufatured devices) that use 3G have been out for a long time now.

I believe the initial discussion was around the RIM manufactured devices having 3/3.5G capabilites.

Nearly any windows mobile device sold in Australia can have Blackberry Connect installed on it, aswell as a handful of Nokia's, the Treo etc....

Quidy writes...

dy...

Does anyone know if there are plans for a nextG blackberry anytime soon?

See other thread.

AshleyArmitt writes...

Nearly any windows mobile device sold in Australia can have Blackberry Connect installed on it

Of course, the trick here is to find a nice T-shop/dealer to provision the BIS/BES plan for you. That is unless the big T have started supporting WM5/6 Blackberry Connect...

I have to admit that I know very little about NextG (or blackberries for that matter) but my work has just replaced it's CDMA blackberries.

My boss got a blackberry 8800 and it came with a NextG sim card.

I said this was strange as I had heard that there wasn't a NextG blackberry out yet. I sent a sms to my mate at telstra seeking clarification and he said that he is using his blackberry on NextG.

The phone does say EDGE on it's display - what does that mean? Is there something on the phone I can look to confirm it is on NextG?

Paulo writes...

My boss got a blackberry 8800 and it came with a NextG sim card.

NextG Sim Cards can also operate on the Telstra/3 2100mhz UMTS network, and Telstra's GSM/GPRS/EDGE network. The Blackberry 8800 isn't operating on the NextG/UMTS850 network.

Your mate was wrong...

DeKa writes...

Your mate was wrong...

Haha, not the first time.

OK, thanks for the info.

Blackberry Setup Guide for the Nokia E51 (BES users):

www.blackberryforums.com...stall-guide.html

This will most likely be the model we get in Australia on NextG:

www.blackberryforums.com...kberry-8xxx.html

It's almost May/June... any news on a NextG Blackberry for Telstra? Anyone?

I've just tried calling RIM in Singapore for an update (after reading Jo Best's article about an "early 2008" release, quoting RIM's Chris Ting)... but both numbers I have got diverted to fax... grrr

I think they will be waiting for the Blackberry 9000 units.

Correct, my mail is Blackberry 9000 is the device, should launch around July / August of this year.

Introducing the AT&T 3G capable Blackberry (therefore potentially Next G capable blackberry), the Blackberry Bold.

www.blackberry.com/blackberrybold

Gaz Iggi writes...

the Blackberry Bold.

Got an email about this today. ;)

swanstar writes...

Correct, my mail is Blackberry 9000 is the device, should launch around July / August of this year.

My scenario is if the iPhone doesn't launch on Three and this does. I'll have to VERY seriously consider the blackberry. It looks awesome!

I have nfi about them though as I have never used one.

blackberry it is! :D

Telstra will have the BlackBerry 'Bold' 9000 for Next G, but I'm hearing (from RIM) more like August/September rather than June/July.

Just an update on this: the industry launch is set for July 29, but actual availability still seems likely to be mid-late August or even September: http://apcmag.com/blackberry_bold_to_launch_on_july_29.htm.

I'm glad journos have stopped using the overcliched line "BlackBerry killer" for every new Windows Mobile device under the sun ... and have taken up BlackBerrys for themselves.

Well I've been a BlackBerry user for a few years now, but I still reserve the right to use that hackneyed old 'x-killer' cliche — except that these days it's all about "iPhone killers"! :P

Blackberry Bold

Does this support Video calls on 3G network ? Eg Optus ?

Nope, because it doesn't have a front-facing camera — only the rear 2MP lens.