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NEED HELP

I'm getting broadband and am looking at ADSL2+ plans from adam and internode. Would much appreciate some feedback on which one i should get.

1) Adam - 20GB Shaped $54.95
2) Internode - 20GB Shaped $59.95

Does internode have better service or something?

PS: Thanks for the moderators for moving this thread so I got some feedback. Lol.

Which do you use?

fatmungus writes...

Does internode have better service or something?

Oh god yes.

Internode has 24/7 support and Adam/Kern don't. If you don't need the support, I don't think there's much of a difference.

sysKin writes...

If you don't need the support

I haven't have ADSL2+ yet so i'm not sure if i will. Being a fixed line it wouldn't break that much would it?

Not to mention the unmetered radio, file mirror and games, free premium newsgroups and a high quality network.

I think all of the above mentioned are worth an extra $5

fatmungus writes...

I haven't have ADSL2+ yet so i'm not sure if i will. Being a fixed line it wouldn't break that much would it?

ADSL2+ might, I'm afraid. I don't think paying the extra $5 is a bad idea either. I don't have any recommendation, though - it's really difficult to say how many dollars is all the extra stuff worth.

We get a nice choice in Adelaide, especially if your Exhange has been DSLAM'ed by both ADAM and Internode.

ADAM, based on feedback from freinds, are pretty good.

Internode do it for me though, they really are an excellent ISP.

I use iiNet, theyre decent if you bundle 7gb/14gb shaped $49

If we didn't bundle with the phone I would prob go Internode though.

Internode seems to be the go.

But Adam internet have double the equivalent value of your monthly data allowance through our Peering Resources (Pipe Networks, AdNAP, GamingSA, and File Arena).

Not sure what this means.
Is this like lime wire and bittorrent?

What about kern internet? Cheaper again. Looks like it has same advantages as internode with peering to gamingSA and others.

Internodes Premium News service is incredible, so much faster than Bittorrent and other p2p that it makes them look totally stone age

fatmungus writes...

Does internode have better service or something?

Internode's customer service is typically quite good. As the most recent Whirlpool survey suggests, Internode is one of the better ISPs in this regard:

whirlpool.net.au/survey/2005

Which do you use?

I use Internode and am on their 20GB ADSL2+ HOME-Extreme-Value plan. I've been quite happy thus far, and haven't had any troublesome issues.

Whilst the plan is $5 more than the comparable Adam plan, I'd say it's money well spent. This is especially true in light of some of the "interesting" business tactics Adam has used in the past. :)

sysKin writes...

Internode has 24/7 support

Internode from their website:-
Monday to Sunday - 7:30am to Midnight
(Australian Central Time)
(Emergencies Only: 24 hours)

Their waiting times on the phone appear to have patchy, otherwise pretty solid with some extras.

Adam also very good, expecially good value if you are after 5Gb or 10Gb monthly plans.

Black Flame writes...

Not to mention the unmetered radio, file mirror and games, free premium newsgroups and a high quality network.

I'm pretty sure... In fact I'm quite sure - that Adam has Free Premium News Servers too... and FileArena - which is by last count - quite a bit larger than 'nodes FTP Mirror.

Oh .. and GamingSA
and there are plenty of Radio streams on pipe - and Pipe is local data..

radar writes...

Whilst the plan is $5 more than the comparable Adam plan, I'd say it's money well spent. This is especially true in light of some of the "interesting" business tactics Adam has used in the past. :)

Also, do Adam (and their resellers) still charge the $90 disconnection fee? Factor that in over 6 or 12 months and that $5 extra per month for Node isn't looking too shabby at all.

.tekrox writes...

and FileArena - which is by last count - quite a bit larger than 'nodes FTP Mirror.

Internode's considerable other unmetered content arguably makes up for that:

www.internode.on.net/content/unmetered :)

I think Adam is a great ISP
I have had no problems with them at all, and found their customer service quite good
Plus who is really up past 10 pm for support anyway?

clubberlang writes...

Plus who is really up past 10 pm for support anyway?

Sometimes I want to chat to someone past 10pm, maybe I should goto Node when my contract ends?

"Also, do Adam (and their resellers) still charge the $90 disconnection fee? Factor that in over 6 or 12 months"

People really shouldn't plan to only be with a service for 6 - 12 months. If they're doing that, then they're not getting the right service. You should pick a service you beleive you will stay with forever.
Sure, you might end up changing, but you shouldn't be planning around that, it indicates that you really didn't pick your first choice carefully.

I had a 'node 2+ connection and it was decent.
I got an Adam 2+ connection and it is decent.

For me it was a choice of cost. Yeah, node has a bunch of free stuff, but look at it, how many people actually use more than about 1% of the free stuff offered on node?
I find that on my current plan (40GB) Adam has it all over 'node in value for money. (hence my choice to go to Adam)

Sometimes I want to chat to someone past 10pm, maybe I should goto Node when my contract ends?

Or 1-900... ;)

Fnomna writes...

Also, do Adam (and their resellers) still charge the $90 disconnection fee? Factor that in over 6 or 12 months and that $5 extra per month for Node isn't looking too shabby at all.

Setup Internode
$129

Setup ADAM 6month Contract
$100 = Difference is $29
Take that off the $90 leaves you with $65 disconnect. You cover the cost of $90 disconnect in 12months

Setup Adam 12month Contract
$75 = Difference is $54. You pay off $90 in 7months
You are better off on Adam by $25 on 12month contract

NOTE: Hopefully the fee is with ACCC may not be charged in 12months time anyway when my contract ends

jabbermonkey writes...

You are better off on Adam by $25 on 12month contract

Yep, I'd pay $2 per month more over 12 months for Internode.

Sometimes I want to chat to someone past 10pm, maybe I should goto Node when my contract ends?

Or 1-900... ;)

i wish i had nothing better to do than sit on my computer at that time in the morning and winge to tech support

Yer lol to that

if i remember rightly a few post's before states that Node's Support line shuts at midnight anyway

And that's all based on the premis that you will disconnect the service in 12 months time.
If you do what realistically is a good option, you apply for an account that you beleive you will keep for a long time. (Why would you intentionally buy something you didn't want to keep?)
"Oh, I think I won't buy this car because when I write it off it's going to cost me $100 more to get towed to a wrecker."

From where I stand your choices are:
Car A (Adam)
A good solid car for $20,000. It's got a good number of nice features that you expect from a modern car.
They forewarn you that when you want to stop using the car it will cost you $200 to get it towed to a wrecker.

Car B (Internode)
It's the same car as before. Except this time it costs you $22,000. They agree that they will pay that $200 for towing when you want to stop using the car. For the $2000 extra they provide you with:
Those little windscreen wipers on the headlights.
An electric heater in the windscreen wiper fluid (to stop it freezing).
An airbag which is colour matched to the paintwork of the car. (the other one had an airbag, but it was white)

Basically, a whole bunch of stuff that sounds really funky, but you're never going to use it.

:P
Edit = corrected typo

Matt writes...

Why would you intentionally buy something you didn't want to keep?

Needs change.
Available options change.

Some people believe there might be something better in the ever-changing broadband landscape in the future. Hence, the options of no contract, 6, 12, 18 or 24 months. At the end of the contract if you're happy you can stay. If not, move.
6 months ago I chose a 12 month contract and will probably switch ISPs in 6 months.

Imagine if you locked yourself into a 24 months Bigpond contract 6 months before ADSL2+ came along.

They forewarn you that when you want to stop using the car it will cost you $200 to get it towed to a wrecker.

The also warn you that they can and will increase the cost of your plan at any time. And Adam actually followed through on this.

Fnomna writes...

Imagine if you locked yourself into a 24 months Bigpond contract 6 months before ADSL2+ came along.

you should be thankful that telstra let you on their wonderful service!

I'd entirely agree with that, but for the fact that nothing new is presently on the horizon. There's not going to be any really new spectacular technology hitting our broadband scene for another few years at least (and maybe not even then). ADSL2+ will remain the top of the pack in Australia for at least a while yet. :)

'Something better in the future' includes better value plans elsewhere.

.tekrox writes...

and FileArena - which is by last count - quite a bit larger than 'nodes FTP Mirror.

It's over 5TB? Oh, you learn something new everyday.

Matt writes...

Basically, a whole bunch of stuff that sounds really funky, but you're never going to use it.

Um, I'm sorry, but I'm sure most Internode users use something. Personally, I use the mirror, radio, newsgroup and games.

Black Flame writes...

and a high quality network.

what makes it such a "high quality network" is what im curious about.
how does Internode's network surpass the Adam network.

double post

Black Flame writes...

Um, I'm sorry, but I'm sure most Internode users use something. Personally, I use the mirror, radio, newsgroup and games.

Maybe most Internode customers on Whirlpool; and then again - a lot of the Adam Customers on Whirlpool use the Equivalent Services that Adam Provides.

But Then Again - what WE Use; isn't what the Majority of the customers - The Mums and Dads who want Internet Access for Email/etc and Letter Their Kids do 'Their Thing' on the Internet.

They have no real Use for the FileArena or the Internode FTP Mirror.
They have no real Use for PIPE Radio Stations or Internode Radio Mirroring
They have no real Use for a Gaming Network like GamingSA or IGN.

and they Typically get the best value plan available to them; in that way Adam has the winner - but then again; maybe they don't..

It still Astonishes me how many people choose some of the Bigger.. Telcos with ISP Attached.. (Names Withheld) Even though the Value is not Great and the Use of 'Weasel Words' like 'Unlimited' is still running Rampant.

Adam can't match Internode's use of its own dedicated international link
www.agile.com.au/data/network/ip/index.htm - affecting international speeds, where it counts for most people.

I suppose we could go through all this again forum-replies.cfm?t=481245

Yes but that was $40 difference. This is $5.

ADAM - $90 disconnect fee regardless when you disconnect?
Is that even at the end of the contract?

What i want it for is gaming and bittorrent. Limewire is good and i'm guessing I can use mirroring if I choose local Ip's right?

Not sure about all this mirroring and SAGaming and PIPE networks.

I'm looking at 5GB or 10GB. They are about $10-15 cheaper than Internode's min ADSL2+ at 20GB.

Would i be able to use 10GB of PIPE/mirror data or is it only (1%) like I read earlier.
The plan is to get ADAM 10GB at $45 and use 10GB of loacal data right?

EDIT: PIPE networks = peer to peer stuff like limewire and bittorrent?
Other non 'double bonus data' = general internet from interstate and international servers?
Right?

why not use kern, a reseller of adam
u get another 20gigs for 5bucks

*edit: wrote wrong ammount

Doues Internode have 'double data bonus'? Just says PIPE compatibility.

I should have said earlier my situation as there's many different pros/cons that change the total cost for broadband.

I am moving house in 2 months so I'll need to pay a change of residence fee. Adam internet is $190 and Internode is $99. Something to look at I guess.

Why is is so expensive to flick a switch? I got my lan line today and it was $59 just to punch a few numbers in. Is this where they make there money?

Also the different type of modem with the plans does increase price dramatically.
Does a better modem do much for speed or just reliability/options?

fatmungus writes...

EDIT: PIPE networks = peer to peer stuff like limewire and bittorrent?
Other non 'double bonus data' = general internet from interstate and international servers?
Right?

No.
PIPE networks is NOT peer to peer stuff
(unless you're sharing with someone who's also on a PIPE ISP - is this correct?)
PIPE = double data bonus = www.povlan.net/pipestuff = NOT international

"With others, like internode, pipe traffic counts towards your monthly quota but remains unprioritised when you go through your entire monthly quota."
Which means what exactly?

This is what i've got:

Internode - 6 months minimum
20GB $60
Instalation with modem $260
Change of premisis $99

Adam - 6 months
10GB + 10GB PIPE $45 or $55 at 20GB + 20GB
Instal with modem $200
Change of premisis $190

Looks like Adam is quite a lot cheaper if you can make use of that bonus data.

Not sure how you can rack up 20GB unless you downloading/streaming large mpeg files.

If pretty much everyones connected to PIPE in Australia then any content downloaded localy is in the free data criteria right?

fatmungus writes...

If pretty much everyones connected to PIPE in Australia

Which they aren't

then any content downloaded localy is in the free data criteria right?

in the 'free' or 'local data' content, yes, this is my understanding of it

fatmungus writes...

Adam internet is $190 and Internode is $99.

Why is is so expensive to flick a switch?

There is no flicking of a switch involved, for Internode OR Adam. The charge (from Adam) is made up of $90 to disconnect your line from their equipment (by a contractor at the exchange) and then $99 to connect you elsewhere. I could be wrong, but I believe Internode absorb the cost of the connection fee (or maybe it's the disconnection fee) and this is absorbed back with the extra monthly fee's you pay through node.

remember also peeringsa.net is pipe only p2p service
so that is counted as free data

myndphunkie writes...

There is no flicking of a switch involved, for Internode OR Adam. The charge (from Adam) is made up of $90 to disconnect your line from their equipment (by a contractor at the exchange) and then $99 to connect you elsewhere. I could be wrong, but I believe Internode absorb the cost of the connection fee (or maybe it's the disconnection fee) and this is absorbed back with the extra monthly fee's you pay through node.

IIRC (not checking it now, going back to bed): The OP would have to pay the $65 disconnection fee and the $99 reallocation fee. Since he is only going to be on it for two months I don't think they would waive the fee.

fatmungus: So you can get Node or Adam ADSL2+ where your living at the moment? Do you know what area you will be moving two in the future (might pay to check that out, don't want to get Adam now and can only get Internode at your new place or vice versa).

Another factor to consider: do you use a credit union? If so, which one?

If you're a Savings & Loans member, look at Internode.
If you're a Community CPS member, look at Adam Internet.

If you're not with either of these credit unions, then pick the ISP you want to use, and then open up a membership with either of the two credit unions in question to save yourself a few dollars on your broadband. It only costs a couple of dollars to open up a credit union membership, and who knows ... you might like a credit union better than a bank (I know I do).

billme writes...

IIRC (not checking it now, going back to bed): The OP would have to pay the $65 disconnection fee and the $99 reallocation fee. Since he is only going to be on it for two months I don't think they would waive the fee.

I checked their website looking at the extra fees structure and noticed one quite unusual little thing.
From this page:
www.internode.on.net/adsl/pricing/home.htm
Under the heading "*Automatic Home ADSL Service Cancellations*"
There is a description:
/Please be aware that your Internode ADSL service will be automatically cancelled by Telstra and a new ADSL service will need to be ordered by you (*including a new $129 Activation fee*)/:

There is an item:
/When you shift location (even if taking the same number with you)./
Then; if it's within the 6 month mark you'll suffer the early disconnect $65 as well.

Further; it is worth considering that the user seems to disconnect their existing account and reconnect as a new account on 'node. Thus forfeiting any time left in the month when you move. You then pay a whole new month when you sign on at the new location.

In fact, reading it more closely; From the relocation form here:
https://accounts.interno...cgi-bin/relocate

"A relocation setup fee ($99) and monthly access fee will be charged if the relocated service is provisioned. The Activation fee will be as per the Internode ADSL pricelist, available at adsl.internode.on.net. Once the new service is provisioned, normal service charges will apply from the date of new service activation."

This is saying, upon successfull relocation you will be charged:
$99 "relocation setup fee"
$139 "activation fee"
A new month of access (as well as forfeiting your last one)
And, if you do it in the first 6 months, an additional $65!

So for an internode relocation it seems the fee is a minimum of $238 (the "relocation setup fee" plus the "activation fee") plus the extra month of access.

Can anyone actually comment on whether that's accurate (or not)? Because if it is; that's just a rip off.
I'd happily beleive that it wasn't, because there is no reason for a relocation to cost more than $189 ($90 disconnect + $90 reconnect) but I suppose they need to make up that $90 disconnect fee somewhere, why not on the poor buggers that want to stay with them? :P
If it's not accurate, I'll happily revise and accept whatever the fees really are.

Matt writes...

Can anyone actually comment on whether that's accurate (or not)? Because if it is;

It's not - we charge $99 for a "move" (effectively a disconnect/reconnect) to move from a TW port to an ADSL2+ port or from one premises to another. We don't charge the $65 if within 6months either.

This is documented in the FAQ: www.internode.on.net/ads...ting_cu­ stomer_in

So why does the relocation form say that the activation fee will be "as per the ADSL pricing page"?

Matt writes...

So why does the relocation form say that the activation fee will be "as per the ADSL pricing page"?

Good point - it's at the very least confusing. I'll get someone to look at it. Thanks for pointing it out.

FWIW, the advice in the FAQ is accurate about the cost to "relocate".

Also, having just read the Entry you linked to here
www.internode.on.net/ads...ting_customer_in
I notice that it refers only to the "I'm moving from ADSL1 to ADSL2 at my current location" situation.
Not the "I have ADSL2 and I'm moving house" situation. The inherent costs to the ISP of an ADSL1 to ADSL2 migration are lower than the costs of ADSL2 to ADSL2. By $25 if witihn 6 months of intial signup and by $90 if after the initial 6 months.

Matt writes...

I notice that it refers only to the "I'm moving from ADSL1 to ADSL2 at my current location" situation.

Because it's in the EXTREME part of the FAQ refering to a specific move.

The inherent costs to the ISP of an ADSL1 to ADSL2 migration are lower than the costs of ADSL2 to ADSL2. By $25 if witihn 6 months of intial signup and by $90 if after the initial 6 months.

So?

FWIW, if you've got specific questions about pricing and moving you're better off contacting sales or emailing feedback@internode.on.net

Matthew Moyle-Croft writes...

Because it's in the EXTREME part of the FAQ refering to a specific move.

So?

This matters because it does not stipulate the cost of relocating an existing ADSL2 service from one location to another. Nor does it clarify the disconnect / reconnect cost should a billing dispute cause disconnection from the Telstra network.
All that tells you is that "if you have ADSL1, you can get ADSL2 through this process with these costs".
We're not concerned about that, but rather with "I've already got ADSL2 and I want to move house"
Which isn't covered anywhere in the Extreme FAQ and is only reffered to in the Relocation form with costing listed as I did above.

Further, the cost to the ISP (in general) directly relates to the costs they pass on. So if the cost to the ISP is higher, then they will (normally) charge more.

Matt writes...

This matters because it does not stipulate the cost of relocating an existing ADSL2 service from one location to another.

Ring sales and discuss it with them then - I'm assuming you're an Internode customer and moving?

I've raised the issue internally - if you feel the need to discuss it with us futher then either do that or email feedback@internode.on.net.

The other alternative of course is to go adam.....

Don't forget iinet have a heap of Adelaide exchanges too.

Medium (bundle) Bundled with VOIP 10 GB 20 GB Shaped Free Dynamic $59.95

What free stuff does iiNet have, compared to the others? Do you use much of it?

iinet FTP, Gamershell, iigames (which is crap btw) Lots of Radio streams and sometime in the future maybe Reeltime Movies!!

AnalogAlex writes...

iinet FTP, Gamershell, iigames (which is crap btw) Lots of Radio streams and sometime in the future maybe Reeltime Movies!!

Reeltime Movies? Exactly when in the future?
Adam has 100% sole rights to it for quite some time in SA. No other providers will be releasing that in Adelaide for at least a year, more likely two or more.

Maybe iinet will have it maybe....

In one of John K's posts did he say to iiNet people to lobby for Reeltime traffic to be included in their free data? How could he do that if Adam has exclusive rights in SA?

edit: found it here forum-replies.cfm?t=597557&p=2#r33

SherlockHomez writes...

yeah there is some free data (iiNet FTP etc etc) but reeltime isn't included in the 'Freezone' at the moment

John K writes...
"Lobby!

We connect to iiNet via Pipe, so data costs etc are minimal, if anything. We are setting up Proxies with some ISP's within their networks, to assist with the traffic.

We are happy to do our bit - lets see if some of these ISP's will rise to the occassion."

So if iiNet steps up, it would get free Reeltime data in SA too?

Is iinet national?
It's entirely possible they have the service going along already in other states, just not in SA. So maybe they've got it and there's lobbying for it to be free data for iinet, but it's not going to happen in SA.
An interesting aside; Adam's reeltime will be a completely seperate PVC than your normal internet (kind of like the community net stuff) and it's entirely outside of your monthly quota. The data isn't even counted at all.
If you've paid for the movie itself, why should you pay for the data to get it too, seems silly.

Matt writes...

Is iinet national?

Very. They haven't done a deal regarding VOD yet. When they do it will be freezone. You pay just for the movie, the bandwidth is included.

...not an easy decision! i guess you have to work out whether you would use a significant amount of the free content with Internode, or on the other hand whether Adam's extras would provide value to you.

i use a bit of free content with Internode, mainly the streaming radio. what this is worth to me i have never really calculated.

at the end of the day $5 a month is worth saving if there is no real difference between the free content for you.

galumay writes...

at the end of the day $5 a month is worth saving if there is no real difference between the free content for you.

There is local content (radio stations etc, even from node sources) on Adam, but its classed as local data... ie: 40 gig plan, you get 40 gig quota on local content as well.

Sounds like relocating is pretty expensive. Too bad i've already spent $80 on telstra home phone when all I needed it for was internet. Why does it cost $90 for disconnection and reconnection? Is there additional hardware or is the techie on $300/hr or something?

fatmungus writes...

Why does it cost $90 for disconnection and reconnection?

$90 disconnection, $99 connection.

Is there additional hardware or is the techie on $300/hr or something?

No, and no. The job itself is actually 2 jobs and it is from the ISP's point of view (internode, chariot, adam, everyone that has a SSS service) that the $90 is highly inflated.

I believe Telstra call that "fair" because they have to balance the costs with rural services or something like that (read the Whirlpool news articles).

myndphunkie writes...

that the $90 is highly inflated.

So the ISP has to pay tesltra?

.tekrox writes...

m pretty sure... In fact I'm quite sure - that Adam has Free Premium News Servers too... and FileArena - which is by last count - quite a bit larger than 'nodes FTP Mirror.

I doubt that very much.

ftp://www.filearena.net/pub and gamingsa mirror
vs
mirror.internode.on.net/pub & and 3dgamers and the Internode Games Network Mirror, ftpbanana skin mirror, and the steam mirror if you want to include that.

if your looking for Broad band plans the best place to start would be

www.getprice.com.au/Comp...nd_GPci_489---!9

here you can compare pricing.

next would be to read from each provider what they give you.

Kingsley writes...

ftp://www.filearena.net/pub and gamingsa mirror

and tucows and all of www.povlan.net/pipestuff

-

I have both adam and node (check me profile) and to tell you the truth....to measure up between the 2, in the last 2 weeks if I didn't have a clue about computers and you asked me which ISP was at home and which one was at work, I wouldn't be able to tell you.

I know you can only learn through self experiance but I don't want to miss somthing massive that will make me regretting my descicion.

The only thing I don't understand is if the free data from 'node
or Adam is more usefull.
PIPE networking and other free data allowance comes from where?

Whats the difference between:
Adam: 10GB + 10GB peering (Pipe Networks, AdNAP, GamingSA, and File Arena)
Internode: 20GB + free data (not sure what this involves)

Where can you download free data from. Like gaming localy or peer to peer localy?

Is data exchange between 2 users on the same ISP free (PIPE)?

Basically why are people getting Internode when Adam internet has 20GB (10GB bonus data) deal at $15 cheaper.

fatmungus writes...

Basically why are people getting Internode when Adam internet has 20GB (10GB bonus data) deal at $15 cheaper.

Given the fact that Adelaide is a 10% state and Adam only service Adelaide, your poll is comparing a national ISP, with a local ISP.

If Adam polls say 30 you would expect any other national provider to poll at least 300 to be as good as Adam, you also have to ask your self how many people out side of Adelaide vote? Adam is ONLY available in SA.

Another fact you may want to take into account is a national ISP have at least 150 staff working for them so it wouldn't’t be hard to have 70 odd staff effect the results of your poll.

Just my Opinion

Given the fact that Adelaide is a 10% state and Adam only service Adelaide, your poll is comparing a national ISP, with a local ISP.

But I have specifically written Adealide. Plus the poll i'm not specifically going on.

Any ppl that have Adam know how much double bonus data they are using? I would like to know how you can get 10GB from PIPE per month?

Kingsley writes...

3dgamers and the Internode Games Network Mirror and the steam mirror

All funnily enough, usable by Adam Internet's double data bonus too...
Where something is not available on FileArena, it's easy to file a request via their contact form, and you may find it will get added to the list..

Comes across as an Advantage to Adam Internet that all those resources are available to use thru Adam's Double Data Bonus and not with their 'Internet' External Data allowance.

Not to mention, everything thru www.povlan.net/pipestuff also accounts to the double data bonus...

I see more 'usefulness' out of the Adam Internet Accounts, but hey, what am I saying, I am using an Internode IBC service here... feeling slightly unbiased at the moment too :)

fatmungus writes...

Any ppl that have Adam know how much double bonus data they are using? I would like to know how you can get 10GB from PIPE per month?

Ok, both Node and Adam make it nice and confusing for us all so here is my crappy attempt at sorting out the confusing:

Node: If you download anything that's on PIPE it will be charged to your downloads .

If you download from INTERNODE's OWN file repositorys ie 3dgamers, node gaming network, node file mirror etc anything that node says it owns, it is FREE.

If you went with node your usage meter would look like this:

Downloads: 0/20GB

Uploads are unmetered but PIPE downloads count towards downloads unless otherwise stated by node, therefore all of www.povlan.net/pipestuff (which is a lot of stuff) is counted towards your downloads instead of being free.

Adam: Everything on PIPE goes towards a 3rd 'bucket' ie if you went with the 20GB plan would look like this:

Downloads: 0/20GB
Uploads: 0/20GB
Local: 0/20GB - All Pipe downloads go on this bucket

Except if you happen to stumble across a certain peering torrent site all uploads to other peers goes on uploads as well.

Adam also has communitynet, so if you and your friend happen to be on the same exchange and be with adam you could set it up so you both upload and download an unlimited amount of data from each other for free.

--

My node account read 30% left this morning, I have no idea how much of that was wasted on pipe or how much was used on node mirrors/radio

Adam usage: img144.imageshack.us/img...108/usagejz7.jpg

fatmungus writes...

Whats the difference between:
Adam: 10GB + 10GB peering (Pipe Networks, AdNAP, GamingSA, and File Arena)
Internode: 20GB + free data (not sure what this involves)

The difference between Adam 10GB+10GB and Internode 20GB is $15 every month.

Is data exchange between 2 users on the same ISP free (PIPE)?

Yes that would count as the bonus local data.

fatmungus writes...

Any ppl that have Adam know how much double bonus data they are using? I would like to know how you can get 10GB from PIPE per month?

I actually use ALOT more Local/PIPE data than normal external data. I VNC and VPN into my work, and send data to/from my misses place.

Another thing.
With Adam once you exceed your limit (Downloads OR Uploads OR Local), everything is shaped.
With Internode one you exceed your limit (only Downloads are counted), the unmetered content is NOT shaped.

Fnomna writes...

the unmetered content is NOT shaped.

So theoretically its unlimited uploads and PIPE/local data?

As far as I can work out, unlimited uploads - yes, but PIPE is NOT unmetered and therefore counts toward usage and gets shaped.
bc.whirlpool.net.au/isp....-ADSL2+/9-6.html
www.internode.on.net/con...etered/index.htm

'local data' is only an Adam term.

fatmungus writes...

So theoretically its unlimited uploads

yes.

and PIPE/local data?

no.

Only free if it's hosted by Internode.

IKT writes...

Only free if it's hosted by Internode.

Is it?
bc.whirlpool.net.au/isp....-ADSL2+/9-6.html says peering data (incl. PIPE) counts towards usage.
I thought the only unmetered (and unshaped) Internode data is from here www.internode.on.net/con...etered/index.htm
?

That is correct Fnomna.

Fnomna writes...

?

I don't understand, you basically complimented my statement?

Ahh, firstly, I may have mistook this:

IKT writes...

and PIPE/local data?

no.

Only free if it's hosted by Internode.

I thought the 'no' and 'Only free if it's hosted by Internode' were both in relation to the PIPE/local data. If it was just the 'no' then there's no question there.

With the 'only free if it's hosted by Internode' I was just clarifying it includes stuff listed on Internode's Unmetered list.