Whats the best value Widescreen LCD?

MAXIMUM $500 but i'd much rather put that money towards other things...so $350ish is good :)

Don't mind 19" WS...

Will be used mostly for desktopping for now but once I upgrade it will be primary gaming...

Hopefully some low MS :)

Thanks

CMV938D 19" Widescreen is probably in your price range.

Do Chimei have a 0 dead pixel warranty..?

I'm quite knarky about that..(cant info info on site..)

It depends on the store, MSY have a 7 day 0 dead pixel warranty.

Try the Acer 20". $469 at Umart with a $50 cashback.

The Chimei 19" wide 5ms is a great LCD for $280 @MSY.
Read about them here forum-replies.cfm?t=528752

what about VX2025WM?

www.staticice.com.au/cgi...q=viewsonic+20.1

Chimei 22" Widescreen LCD.

www.staticice.com.au/cgi...q=22+inch+chimei

The first one (221A) is the analog version, which means VGA only. The second one (221D) is both analog and digital, which is VGA and DVI.

any reviews on the Chimei 22"? i'm personally not too convinced about its quality. 6 bit monitor right?

Squallff8aus writes...

any reviews on the Chimei 22"?

How could you miss the 80+ pages of user reviews here forum-replies.cfm?t=550669

i prefer independent reviews please.
when people are forced (on a budget) to do something, their actions justifies/alters their beliefs.

What do you call independent? I trust users, not some website that gets paid by a company to review their product.

trust isn't the problem here.

at the very least you'd would expect several monitors to be compared against each other at certain criteriors.

Squallff8aus writes...

i prefer independent reviews please.
www.pcauthority.com.au/r...ID=3022&CatID=74

I'm using the Chimei 22" wide now and i'm very happy with it [i have owned and setup many LCDs]

I have setup the 19" wide Chimei for my nephew a month ago and he is using it for gaming.

Well I compared it to an Apple 20" Cinema Display and chose the Chimei because it looks just as good IMO (the actual panel that is).

In that thread I mentioned I was disappointed with the amount of backlight bleed. Apart from that it's a great LCD for an awesome price. I'm no artist/designer so for normal windows use, the occasional game and movie it suits me fine. I use it to watch everything now instead of my old CRT TV and xbmc.

At the end of the day it's you who is looking at the monitor and what someone may call red, you call blue.

oh ok, so you'd recommend the monitor when its got alot of back light bleeding?
what about if every single one of them had a dead pixel?

*sigh* i'm not gonna bother anymore. all the chimei owner will say its great just like what the benq 20.1 inch owners say about the FP202W.

Squallff8aus writes...

*sigh* i'm not gonna bother anymore. all the chimei owner will say its great just like what the benq 20.1 inch owners say about the FP202W.

That's because you're a tool, my brother owns a FP202W (NOT ME!!!) and I think it's a superb monitor. Opinions differ, fools are still fools though. ;)

Squallff8aus writes...

oh ok, so you'd recommend the monitor when its got alot of back light bleeding?
what about if every single one of them had a dead pixel?

If the person was looking for 20+ for $500 then yeah, it'd be upto them to decide whether they can live with it or not. There's a dead pixel warranty for a reason. If it was such a problem people would stink up a fuss just like they have with the Dell 2407.

*sigh* i'm not gonna bother anymore. all the chimei owner will say its great just like what the benq 20.1 inch owners say about the FP202W.

Ofcourse people say things are great even with slight imperfections. Unless something is really wrong that's when you know a product is bad and people will return it, swap it for something else and let others know.

If you're of the attitude that everyone says what they buy is great because they own it, you're missing out on a lot of user feedback, which to me says more than a review comparing monitor A to monitor B.

Davo writes...

If you're of the attitude that everyone says what they buy is great because they own it

Just honestly ask yourself how many times did you see people unhappy with hardware they paid for due to reasons different from this hardware being not functioning properly to the extent it couldn't really be used.

Most I have seen would apply to cases when people upgrade. After that they would give negative feedback about the hardware they replaced. There are exceptions to this rule infrequent though.

Adam. writes...

That's because you're a tool, my brother owns a FP202W (NOT ME!!!) and I think it's a superb monitor. Opinions differ, fools are still fools though. ;)

u're the tool here. i got the monitor as well. and I think its crap considering I could have gotten the dell 20.1inch for another $60 when i got the FP202W.

How is the FP202W crap? its crap when its runs non native resolutions compared to my dell 2405. on top of that it can't scale and theres no alternate input other than dvi and vga.

how about we dig some review up on just how great the FP202W is? bleh.

Davo writes...

Ofcourse people say things are great even with slight imperfections. Unless something is really wrong that's when you know a product is bad and people will return it, swap it for something else and let others know.

thats all good, but it could also mean they are rather short sighted when there are potentially better monitors other there for similar prices. what is important is, you;'re not comparing the monitor to others objectively.

If you're of the attitude that everyone says what they buy is great because they own it, you're missing out on a lot of user feedback, which to me says more than a review comparing monitor A to monitor B.

so u''re saying comparing monitor A to monitor B isn't important? we wouldn't have monitors 2day if scientists went on their paths of discovery based on heresay. :P

I think i've showed just how biased a owner of a chimei monitor can be so far. they would go as far to justify their purchase as to say that comparing between different monitors in terms of quality is not important.. =\

/me rolls eyes

opinions differ of course. but the relative options between products that are tested properly between tests should remain the same or at least similar.

tell me, what does it mean to be objective? it shouldn't vary between tests. unlike heresay/opinion

I am in the market for a 19inch lcd or maybe a bigger widescreen i just want to know how do they look for games the widescreen monitors? Oh which would be the best bang for buck monitor for about 500$.

I have 6800gs gfx card as well.

Johnny_The_Bull writes...

19inch lcd

i think theres pretty much concensus on 19 inch WS being rather small for gaming and viewing movies and stuff. your best bet is to go for a 20.1 inch or a 22 inch monitor.

when u get to the 22 inch monitors, acer, viewsonic all use the same panel as the chimei 22 inch. So theres not much difference in quality between them. you'd pretty much be choosing based on their physical appearance and warranty. but these are 6 bit panels.
they are all around the $500 - 600 mark i think.
the only review available afaik is www.pcauthority.com.au/r...ID=3022&CatID=74

for 20.1 inch monitors for around $500 probably
samsung 205BW www.trustedreviews.com/a...le.aspx?art=3244
ViewSonic VX2025wm www.trustedreviews.com/a...le.aspx?art=2767
these 2 should be 8 bit panels.

all these monitors will have the same resolution at 1680x1050. The 22 inch monitors will be physically bigger because of the bigger dot pitch (bigger pixels).

So what you probably should be looking at is to decide if you want a bigger monitor with slightly worse colour production or a smaller monitor with slight better colour production. There may also be back light bleeding problems with the 22 inch chimei panels. As far as i know, all these monitors does not have internal scaling. But since u're using a nvidia card, you could probably do s/w scaling. Like when you play games that are non wide screen, you could set it to appear to be a square rather than let it stretch out the entire screen; stretching in this case would result in slightly deformed looking characters.

I normally would recommend the dell 2007 ( a $600, with internal scaling, additional inputs like s-video, analog and flash memory stick reader), but it currently seems to have banding issues.

thanks for your help Squallff8aus. It sounds like widescreen monitors aren't 100% yet i recon the 19 inch samsung 931bf looks good not a bad price either.

i am actually thinking of getting the 730bf for about 300 bucks what do you guys think could i spend my money more wisely?

17" LCDs can be found close to the $200 mark. Unless you want one an 8-bit.

chimei 22" 221D - best for your bucks - IMHO

Squallff8aus writes...

what about if every single one of them had a dead pixel?

thats just bad luck - the trick is how good is the warranty for replacement - and how many bad pixels qualify for actual replacement e.g. some say one dead pixel is not good enough - perhaps 3 or 4 dead pixels is bad enough

webwombat writes...

the trick is how good is the warranty for replacement

yup and what about the warranty to replace the heavy back light bleeding?
bleh, stop quoting out of context

onurbmil writes...

Unless you want one an 8-bit.

is the 730bf 8bit ? cause check staticICE.com it has it for 300ish

Wow, the OP asks for the best value widescreen LCD, people give their opinions, and then he goes on to bag everyone?

Johnny_The_Bull writes...

730bf

with quick googling...
www.hardwarezone.com/art...hp?cid=5&id=1668

might be a 6 bit panel. that website says its got 16.2M colours. the 8 bit ones are suppose to be 16.7M.

Squallff8aus do you think its a good buy for 300 bucks the 730bf samsung?

Squallff8aus writes...

thats all good, but it could also mean they are rather short sighted when there are potentially better monitors other there for similar prices. what is important is, you;'re not comparing the monitor to others objectively.

Similar price? you're the one comparing the Dell to the Chimei, are they in the same price range?

so u''re saying comparing monitor A to monitor B isn't important?

plz, how else are we to make decisions without comparing? Reviews comparing monitors that aren't in the same price range and that are flawed aren't trustworthy.

Squallff8aus writes...

i prefer independent reviews please.
when people are forced (on a budget) to do something, their actions justifies/alters their beliefs.

Indeed, I can certainly see how all those people who bought Dell 2407's are justifying their actions in that thread.

Me, I got a Chimei 221D to replace my old Samsung 191T, and it's been absolutely excellent thus far. No backlight bleed, no dead pixels, no ghosting in games. The default brightness is awesome, in fact it's almost too bright -- but that's easily fixed by turning it down. The bezel and stand don't look as stylish as, say, an Apple display, but considering the price difference that's hardly something to complain about.

hmm. well, i personally think you should buy a 8 bit 20.1 inch monitor like this one here
www.behardware.com/artic...5-6-8-16-ms.html then you can play games and watch movies without much problems. this monitor can be bought for about. $515. and I think the nvidia s/w panel for your graphics card can handle the scalings and stuff for non wide screen games.

a 19 inch monitor thats supposedly very good for gaming (but a 6 bit panel) is the viewsonic vx922 for about $415. you can read about it here www.tomshardware.com/200...tion/page36.html (this thing supposedly have a avg response time of 8ms)

I'm trying to think up a good 17 inch monitor for comparison, but I haven't looked into those for a while now, so i'm not sure what to recommend for 17 inch monitors sorry.

Squallff8aus writes...

a 19 inch monitor thats supposedly very good for gaming (but a 6 bit panel) is the viewsonic vx922 for about $415.

I can tell you these suffer from huge backlight bleed as well. They are very fast at 2ms refresh though and for games are brilliant. The colours are very vivid if not a little too saturated and the standard brightness is too bright IMO.

sheezymaneezy writes...

Wow, the OP asks for the best value widescreen LCD, people give their opinions, and then he goes on to bag everyone?

I'm the OP and im not the one bagging everyone...I have commented once.

So out of all that crap...:(

What are you guys recommending?

Now that I think more carefully.

I would rather a 19" or 20" 8 Bit rather than a 6 bit 21" or 22"...

Whats some good 8bits around that price? (hopefully less than $400!)

Its interesting to know that Acers and Viewsonics are same as the Chimei's (is this only in certain models?)

Thanks

Davo writes...

you're the one comparing the Dell to the Chimei

ehh, dell is $600. chimei is $500 + and only msy has it for $495. and where did i try to compare them again?

plz, how else are we to make decisions without comparing?

you were not comparing. all you said was ah chimei is great. i got one and i prefer it over the apple monitor.

Reviews comparing monitors that aren't in the same price range and that are flawed aren't trustworthy.

u're suppose to look at its performance then adjust its relative importance to the difference in price?

Have you asked yourself whats so good about an 8bit panel and are you going to notice the extra hald a million colours of 16million?

You'll be hard pressed to find an 8bit panel for less than $600.

All the 22" LCDs from Acer, Dell, Chimei and Viewsonic use the same panel.

OK then what about Response times under $400...

Want as low as possible..

The VX2025WM is 8ms...that ghosts right?

Thanks!

hong writes...

Indeed, I can certainly see how all those people who bought Dell 2407's are justifying their actions in that thread.

too bad eh? you're forced to buy that monitor when the A03 isn't out yet. and then you start to read commends by owners that explains the banding issue is non existant

dokota writes...

VX2025WM is 8ms

thats 8ms grey to grey. so its like benq 202 where its about 16ms avg and it will potentially ghost a bit when u're running around like crazy is a fast game (riding s motor cycle in GTA:SA comes to mind)

and u can't get this for less than $400

Davo writes...

You'll be hard pressed to find an 8bit panel for less than $600.

you mean u're hard pressed to find a 22 inch 8 bit monitor for less than $600

Squallff8aus writes...

ehh, dell is $600. chimei is $500 + and only msy has it for $495. and where did i try to compare them again?

So a $100 price difference is the same price range is it?

you were not comparing. all you said was ah chimei is great. i got one and i prefer it over the apple monitor.

How about you reread my post and comrehend what is written?

u're suppose to look at its performance then adjust its relative importance to the difference in price?

I wouldn't pay more for a monitor that doesn't perform any better if that's what you're asking.

Squallff8aus writes...

too bad eh? you're forced to buy that monitor when the A03 isn't out yet. and then you start to read commends by owners that explains the banding issue is non existant

You haven't actually read that thread, have you?

That's also why I said, i'd go smaller ;)

I want something that wont ghost considerably..

Davo writes...

How about you reread my post and comrehend what is written?

uh huh. i think i've understood it well enough. you're the one who hasn't provided any decent reviews of chimei. I personally couldn't find a good one either. thats why i asked in the first place.

I wouldn't pay more for a monitor that doesn't perform any better if that's what you're asking.

I wasn't asking anything. It was a rhetorical question that was aimed at highlighting the lack of appreciation that you show towards reviews not to mention the lack of grasp to understand them.

dokota writes...

I want something that wont ghost considerably..

Stick to CRT.

hey guys what is the best lcd monitor to get for 300 bucks? best BANG for buck

hong writes...

You haven't actually read that thread, have you?

i have. I am standing by my statement when i said "when people are forced (on a budget) to do something, their actions justifies/alters their beliefs." by providing a source of "being forced" to buy the monitor and later on justifying their purchase by posting rediculous claims.

Johnny_The_Bull writes...

hey guys what is the best lcd monitor to get for 300 bucks? best BANG for buck

Squallff8aus will know, he's read all the reviews comparing all the monitors and he UNDERSTANDS them too. I don't understand reviews so I can't help.

not like you know anyway. all you know is about chimei products.

Squallff8aus writes...

not like you know anyway. all you know is about chimei products.

hahaha

Squallff8aus writes...

i have. I am standing by my statement when i said "when people are forced (on a budget) to do something, their actions justifies/alters their beliefs." by providing a source of "being forced" to buy the monitor and later on justifying their purchase by posting rediculous claims.

If by that you mean the one (1) person claiming the Dell works fine, I point you to the several others who also bought the Dell, and are saying that it does have problems.

Samsung 205BW is the best IMHO

See this thread:
forum-replies.cfm?t=599581#r1

Nah he's being a douche and saying that people that buy cheap monitors will defend the quality to the death and saying they're the best when really everyone knows they're junk and is just denying they got ripped off compared that awesome 8 bit panel by Dell.

Hexadecimal writes...

Samsung 205BW is the best IMHO

Looks great!

Have to read some reviews...

205BW does look fairly good.
www.trustedreviews.com/a...le.aspx?art=3244

again its about $500 though. not sure if you should buy it from IT Estate

dad has a supplier that sells samsung :o

Samsungs are good, and the 205BW is good value.

Squallff8aus writes...

I normally would recommend the dell 2007 ( a $600, with internal scaling, additional inputs like s-video, analog and flash memory stick reader), but it currently seems to have banding issues

How current are these banding issues? Because i just ordered one [Dell 2007] and the last thing i want is hassel!

Go for the Viewsonic VX2025WM 20.1" Widescreen ;) $500 or so ..

(GhostShadow) writes...

Go for the Viewsonic VX2025WM 20.1" Widescreen ;) $500 or so ..

question is how good will it perform overall ? games might be a problem, dvd movies will no doubt look great i am a bit hesitant to get a 20 inch widescreen i have heard some negatives about them..

Just tested the CMV 221D for banding issues and stuff. Simply one of the best value for money monitor out there. No banding visible on a Black to White gradient test using an uncompress TIFF file from photoshop. No back light leaking as seen in my other BenQ 17 and 15" monitors. Also in my previous Polyview 17".

And before any more idiotic comment from certain someone, I am not forced to buy this because i'm on a budget and can't afford a decent monitor. I have a Dell 2405 sitting 3m away from the CMV which I use normally. I used to sell them and have been using various monitors at work.

For the money I think it's awesome value. I would not hesitate to recommend this monitor at all.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co...issonance_theory

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit

you must know that word well. i expected nothing less from you. If you really think its bulls%^* then why don't you email all those authors in the references section? i'm sure they'll give you a piece of their mind.

No i'm not saying they're full of it. I'm saying YOU'RE full of it. :) I didn't make it up or had to justify why I purchased that. I gave you a review comparing it with a $1500 monitor. And you're still saying that crap.

Perhaps i shouldn't have linked bullshit but instead en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

did i say its crap? find me a post where i said its crap? its quality is not as good as the $1500 panel. I don't think there is anything wrong with a statement like that.

and you call that a review?

Squallff8aus writes...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co...issonance_theory

Contrary to popular belief, quoting cognitive dissonance does not free one from the possibility of having one's claims disproved by empirical evidence.

hong writes...

empirical evidence.

there has not been any establishments of empirical evidence. All the lesser idiots have not provided any references at all apart from the PCAuthority link

Squallff8aus writes...

did i say its crap? find me a post where i said its crap? its quality is not as good as the $1500 panel. I don't think there is anything wrong with a statement like that.

and you call that a review?

You just don't believe when people say that it's good and reckon that they're saying it to justify their purchase.

And since I'm not being paid for this, I can't be arsed writing a full review. Banding issues, black light leaking, Dead pixels are probably the most important factor concerning new LCDs. I've covered the first 2 and there are no dead/bright pixels. What more do you need? I am not going to test it for ghosting as I've never seen ghosting on anything less than 12ms.

And my reference is a DELL 2405 24" LCD.

Squallff8aus writes...

there has not been any establishments of empirical evidence.

Contrary to popular belief, the 80+ pages of user comments on the Chimei 221D were in fact posted by actual live people, as opposed to voices in your head.

Ryo Saeba writes...

You just don't believe when people say that it's good and reckon that they're saying it to justify their purchase.

nup. I wanted to establish EXACTLY just how good the monitor is first ignoring the price, then take the price differences into consideration.

all you guys say it ah its great its great you should buy it. But what is great for you isn't necessarily great for others. The problem here is not everyone would interprete this on the same absolute scale. Only by comparison between monitors can you establish a real idea about just how good something is.

And since I'm not being paid for this, I can't be arsed writing a full review.

well, thats when you should post a link to a review for the product, and preferably a review where they compare against other monitors. I personally couldn't find any reviews, nor can any one else at this point apart from that PCAuthority one.

And my reference is a DELL 2405 24" LCD.

and just perhaps you should have interjected on page one rather than page 4 when the OP has already found something that he possibly likes?

well, the samsung one that he is currently looking into is a 8 bit panel and chimei 22 inch is 6 bit. thats probably the only difference between the 2 for a monitor in this price range apart from the actual difference in physical size. If you want to give him a reason as to why he should choose the chimei over the samsung you can go ahead.

Squallff8aus writes...

all you guys say it ah its great its great you should buy it. But what is great for you isn't necessarily great for others. The problem here is not everyone would interprete this on the same absolute scale. Only by comparison between monitors can you establish a real idea about just how good something is.

Do please note that the issue of relative measurement scales (and statistical methods to correct for them) has nothing to do with cognitive dissonance.

Hong "trust me, I'm a statistician" Ooi

hong writes...

Contrary to popular belief, the 80+ pages of user comments on the Chimei 221D were in fact posted by actual live people, as opposed to voices in your head.

there about 80 pages of "omg, this is an awesome monitor" ; "nah, this other monitor is better" ; "i am having some back light bleeding problems"; "where is the cheapest place i can get this monitor for"

and theres probably only 1 or 2 post every few pages that has about 2-6 sentences that try to describe any differences that they notive between their chimei and another monitor that they own

Squallff8aus writes...

nor can any one else at this point apart from that PCAuthority one.


they are pretty much the only site ive seen that does reviews against other monitors buy the magazine man there good and full of reviews for everything from complete systems to routers and monitors and etc..

Squallff8aus writes...

and theres probably only 1 or 2 post every few pages that has about 2-6 sentences that try to describe any differences that they notive between their chimei and another monitor that they own

This can be considered implicit in every post, since it can (usually) be taken for granted that the poster has a preexisting monitor and their comments will be relative to that. Further, not many people in the market for a Chimei will be graphics professionals for whom image quality is all, therefore it is reasonable to assume some sort of common ground for the point of reference.

Besides which, this is a thread about the best _value_ widescreen LCD. Not the best image quality, or the lowest price, but the best value. By all accounts, the Chimei delivers great value, having good (if not excellent) image quality and a low price.

hong writes...

Besides which, this is a thread about the best _value_ widescreen LCD. Not the best image quality, or the lowest price, but the best value. By all accounts, the Chimei delivers great value, having good (if not excellent) image quality and a low price.

i have to agree i have both a chimei T38D and a 17 inch lg lcd...the chimeis colour and quality over the lg is amazing and i havent noticed any bleeding or ghosting or anything like that...i payed 350 bucks for the chimei and i think when i got the lg is was about 400 bucks and its only a 17 inch the onlything i like about my lg is that it has an autoset feature for different lighting...i guess its for doing various tasks...but other then that the chimei kicks ass (i also play bf2 andsource and other fps games and they play well all maxed out) i recommend the chimei for quality and price :D

hong writes...

Besides which, this is a thread about the best _value_ widescreen LCD.

oh very good. the standard for best value is entirely dependent on size is it? and is there anything wrong with getting a 8 bit panel when its within the same price range?

By all accounts, the Chimei delivers great value, having good (if not excellent) image quality and a low price.

being a master statistician i thought you would have a more strongly constructed basis of measurement where its effect on best value would not be double counted. Theres way too much interdependencies between great value and low price. I'm pretty sure one of those will be eliminated if i used any decent statistical s/w.

CMV T38D 20 inch Wide LCD = $359 Umart

I have a CMV 938D 19" and a CMV T38D 20 inch Wide LCD and i think the 20" is a better monitor

walgerm writes...

CMV T38D 20 inch Wide LCD

Good value LCD --- but not a widescreen :-/

hong writes...

Besides which, this is a thread about the best _value_ widescreen LCD. Not the best image quality, or the lowest price, but the best value. By all accounts, the Chimei delivers great value, having good (if not excellent) image quality and a low price.

Does warranty count in the assessment of "value" ???

If so, try and find specific "official" Australian details on their warranty and what the setup is to service that warranty..... service agents..??? warranty details, official Australian ones... ??? Mmmmmm???

One factor, and this is not documented by CMV in Australia (like all the other conditions), is that their 30 day 0 defect pixel replacement warranty commences when the retailer buys the stock, not when you do...!!

This is the official "verbal" policy from a major wholesaler/distributor.

Value in my book includes clear support for the product after purchase. Anything with no warranty or an unspecified warranty with no setup to service it can't be classified as value by anyone, surely?