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www.digg.com/tech_news/RIAA_Sues_LimeWire

The RIAA has sued the popular P2P program LimeWire in federal court today. "The labels are seeking damages, including $150,000(!) per occurrence of an illegally traded file.

Mite have to migrate to FrostWire

Story Courtesy of Digg.com

Direct Link
www.betanews.com/article...iracy/1154722015

posted 2006-Aug-5, 12pm AEST
edited 2006-Aug-5, 12pm AEST
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Everyone get Ares! :)

posted 2006-Aug-5, 1pm AEST
User #95240   514 posts
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Lol i use limewire

posted 2006-Aug-5, 2pm AEST
User #77397   145 posts
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I recently stopped using FrostWire anyway (well, in fact, the whole Gnutella network). Too many fake files around, and the network is getting slower and slower.

posted 2006-Aug-5, 2pm AEST
User #102722   1600 posts
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Solution = Get Frostwire

posted 2006-Aug-5, 3pm AEST
User #129751   392 posts
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bastards

posted 2006-Aug-5, 3pm AEST
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This is a continuation of the September 2005 RIAA vs Limewire saga.

Just recently all seemed well on the LimeWire front. With over 4 million simultaneous users, Gnutella had become a mainstream success. LimeWire's contribution to this protocol, as well as BearShare, resurrected an otherwise mediocre community.

Although LimeWire was a recipient of the September 13, 2005, RIAA cease and desist letters, it continued Gnutella development unabated.

LimeWire's continued operation was in stark contrast to other P2P developers such as BearShare, eDonkey, and WinMX, who all ceased operations following the order.

LimeWire's more notable contributions since September was a security upgrade, and a proposed overhaul of the protocol to include DHT and BitTorrent support.

These advancements aroused curiosity as it appeared a serious protocol revision, especially one that greatly enhanced the functionality and efficiency of the user experience, would be in conflict with the RIAA's demands.

With negotiations stale and the RIAA impatient, the day of reckoning appears to have come.


Slyck.com article LimeWire Sued by the RIAA

posted 2006-Aug-5, 3pm AEST
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User #129751   392 posts
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Slyck is allowed here? Wow...

posted 2006-Aug-5, 3pm AEST
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clarion writes...

Slyck is allowed here? Wow...

Links aren't but you can quote stuff of the site.

I used FrostWire once but I found that it was too slow and there were too many fake files.

posted 2006-Aug-5, 8pm AEST
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rolande writes...
Lol i use limewire

Lol stop

posted 2006-Aug-5, 9pm AEST
User #66851   4327 posts
In the penalty box

150 thousand per occurrence?! wtf is that? how can that be justified!?! american law....sigh

posted 2006-Aug-5, 9pm AEST
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sesuburbslover writes...

150 thousand per occurrence?! wtf is that? how can that be justified!?! american law....sigh

Yeah, at best they should only be able to claim the highest price people are paying for songs on alternative sites like itunes and such. What a load of horse shit, flap the RIAA

posted 2006-Aug-6, 4pm AEST
User #120532   1284 posts
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hmmmmmm

anyone using limewire is fairly silly

found it to be a great way to acquire viruses....adware and the like.....

had no issues with regular BT clients.......

posted 2006-Aug-6, 5pm AEST
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sesuburbslover writes...

150 thousand per occurrence?! wtf is that? how can that be justified!?! american law....sigh

Trying to get them to file for bankruptcy ;)

posted 2006-Aug-6, 5pm AEST
User #66851   4327 posts
In the penalty box

*uninstalls limewire pro lite*

posted 2006-Aug-6, 6pm AEST
User #69989   687 posts
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Yeah WTF I wonder which orifice they pulled the $150,000 per occurence number from.

Lawyer administration fees I'd say :p.

posted 2006-Aug-6, 6pm AEST
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clarion writes...
Slyck is allowed here? Wow.

No the link isn't but the name is.

posted 2006-Aug-6, 6pm AEST
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nigeps writes...

Yeah, at best they should only be able to claim the highest price people are paying for songs on alternative sites like itunes and such. What a load of horse shit, flap the RIAA

The RIAA still havn't got it have they!

Whacking people on the head and punishing people only seeks to alienate people and cause resentment. Zero tolerance has only caused people to go to more lengths to not get caught and helped foster the notion that the RIAA is a faceless entity.

They have just not understood that working with people in the end actually pays!

Shame the stupid American government has not learnt that lesson yet in it's international dealings - still, attitudes flow from the top down in any organisation, so what can one expect from the RIAA anyhow.

iTunes is testimony to what happens when you actually work with people.

RIAA = Really Idiotic American Arrogance

:-)

posted 2006-Aug-6, 6pm AEST
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sesuburbslover writes...

*uninstalls limewire pro lite*

+1 to that, what do you guys use now?

posted 2006-Aug-6, 7pm AEST
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Maveri writes...


iTunes is testimony to what happens when you actually work with people.


Amen to that :-)

posted 2006-Aug-6, 7pm AEST
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Pete182 writes...

+1 to that, what do you guys use now?

Bit-torrent using torrent harvester and frostwire

posted 2006-Aug-6, 7pm AEST
User #113608   3986 posts
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is it me or isnt limewire workin at all ! lol

posted 2006-Aug-6, 7pm AEST
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Muad'Dib writes...

No the link isn't but the name is.

If that is true why did you post the link?

posted 2006-Aug-6, 7pm AEST
User #111491   1565 posts
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We can all argue about how bad/evil the conglomerates are for forcing regular Joes to settle for thousands of dollars (who share FOR FREE, no money involved either way); but companies that make money off selling a product which its primary use is getting free media (don't deny it) is WRONG. Limewire, Bearshare, Kazaa, iMesh etc all profited from licensed music illegally and therefore should be punished.

This (for once) is a justified move (to an extent) on the RIAA's behalf.

In the big picture of things, Kazaa, Gnutella and the smaller networks are just stepping stones. Once they are knocked over, massive networks like ED2K and BT will be targeted and then it will matter.

posted 2006-Aug-6, 8pm AEST
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I agree, making money off it is wrong, though I don't think BT makes any money from it, unless you are counting websites which host torrent files that have stuff like google ads on them. But more often than not that's just to help pay for the whole setup.

posted 2006-Aug-6, 8pm AEST
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When I say that they'll go after ED2k and BT, I don't mean because they're making money, I think after they've rid the smaller networks via legal means, they'll try to quash the bigger ones technically.

posted 2006-Aug-6, 9pm AEST
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Myrak writes...

In the big picture of things, Kazaa, Gnutella and the smaller networks are just stepping stones. Once they are knocked over, massive networks like ED2K and BT will be targeted and then it will matter.

While this is true, there will be something else that will take it's place if BitTorrent does fall.

posted 2006-Aug-6, 9pm AEST
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Its all about decentralisation. Kazza, Limewire and ed2k are all somehow centralised. Bit-torrent is most decentralised P2P system as of now as it only relies on the distribution of a torrent file (now that there is trackerless support). But once a system emerges that dosent have any centralisation at all, then the RIAA will have no one to sue effectively

posted 2006-Aug-6, 11pm AEST
User #129049   1006 posts
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This is becoming like the McArthy Witch hunts

posted 2006-Aug-7, 12am AEST
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HaloHunter writes...

Its all about decentralisation. Kazza, Limewire and ed2k are all somehow centralised. Bit-torrent is most decentralised P2P system as of now as it only relies on the distribution of a torrent file (now that there is trackerless support). But once a system emerges that dosent have any centralisation at all, then the RIAA will have no one to sue effectively

Well, at that time it will probably launch a law suit against the Internet for making music piracy possible

posted 2006-Aug-7, 8am AEST
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I can't believe people still use Limewire or Frostwire or bite my wire for that matter

posted 2006-Aug-7, 1pm AEST
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I don't think shutting down Limewire would have much affect on the Gnutella network. It is an open source protocol with other open source clients such as Gtk-Gnutella, Frostwire and Phex available www.gnutelliums.com .

The source code is available around the net eg sourceforge.net/project/...p?group_id=27021 .

Anyone can look at the source code (in Java) change it and create their own client. For example I2Phex was created from Phex and Frostwire was created from Limewire. It would be a bit hard to kill the gnutella network.

posted 2006-Aug-7, 8pm AEST
edited 2006-Aug-7, 8pm AEST
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Spudda writes...

Well, at that time it will probably launch a law suit against the Internet for making music piracy possible

maybe they will sue DARPA for inventing the internet? :P

posted 2006-Aug-8, 12am AEST
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Sacky writes...

Solution = Get Frostwire

It was always better anyway !

posted 2006-Aug-8, 8am AEST
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I've been expecting the demise of LimeWire for some time now. It'll just disappear one day just like WinMX did. I'll go to connect and get a 404 error. Oh well. It was good while it lasted. Well - mediocre anyway. :)

posted 2006-Aug-8, 8am AEST
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Phut writes...

Yeah WTF I wonder which orifice they pulled the $150,000 per occurence number from.

Lawyer administration fees I'd say :p.


I hope so - I'm graduating law next year :P

posted 2006-Aug-8, 9am AEST
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is it me or is frostwire a memory hog?

posted 2006-Aug-8, 10pm AEST
User #66091   9150 posts
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Anything based on Java is a memory hog. Prime example is Azureus. :P

posted 2006-Aug-8, 10pm AEST
User #67421   5495 posts
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So I should uninstall Limewire now?

It wasn't too bad for a while (limewire pro anyway).

I mean the fake files are obvious to spot from a mile off, it was fairly quick and quite reliable.

Besides BT what else can I use?

Frostwire?

Why can we be sued for downloading files from limewire and not frostwire? I mean they are essentially the same thing.

Ah well...

posted 2006-Aug-8, 10pm AEST
User #73861   2121 posts
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dealerkim writes...

what else can I use?

Any gnutella client will work. Limewire is just the most popular one.

posted 2006-Aug-8, 11pm AEST
User #111491   1565 posts
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dealerkim writes...
So I should uninstall Limewire now?

It wasn't too bad for a while (limewire pro anyway).

I mean the fake files are obvious to spot from a mile off, it was fairly quick and quite reliable.

Besides BT what else can I use?

Frostwire?

Why can we be sued for downloading files from limewire and not frostwire? I mean they are essentially the same thing.

Ah well...


The client itself is fine (current version right now, 4.12) until you update to a DRM-crippled version. What everyone is speculating (or I am, anyway) is that the ignorant masses that use Limewire will not know the difference, and use the DRM-version anyway, thus blocking alot of the content on the network. Since it is the most popular it might have quite an effect.

Frostwire is just a fork of Limewire Basic's code. And will never have DRM in it.

Looking for other (better) networks? Try eMule, BitTorrent, Usenet or IRC. All quality stuff.

posted 2006-Aug-9, 12am AEST
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sesuburbslover writes...

150 thousand per occurrence?! wtf is that? how can that be justified!?! american law....sigh

Well we all know the RIAA, at some stage in the future they will probably be claming $1billion+ per occurrence.......... <bastards>

posted 2006-Aug-9, 1am AEST
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FROM WHAT I HAVE heard the RIAA (recording industry association of america) HAVE/ ARE SUEING not only the companies owning such p2p sharing programs BUT ALSO USERS who are being tracked through their IP ADRESSES. so they seem to be SUEING TWICE as they want full damages paid (between 30,000usd and 150,000usd) for the companies PER SONG. and ARE SUEING EVERYDAY USERS BETWEEN 750-150,000usd PER SONG. so effectively arent they SUEING TWICE????? FOR EACH SONG?????? if i crash a car can i sue the PERSON WHO RAN INTO ME AND THE RENTAL COMPANY WHO THEY GOT THE CAR FROM BOTH FOR FULL DAMAGES?/??? i dont see how they can do this!! please reply.......

disagree-er

posted 2006-Sep-14, 11pm AEST
User #135966   759 posts
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AMEN SISTER lmao u goin on about this shit when the real thing is RIAA ARE SO UP THEMSELVES i mean think about it, all the american record labels ganging up on each P2P. i agree with the comment about the 150,000usd being ridiculous I MEAN WTF IS THAT?//?? 150,000??? FOR ONE FRIKIN SONG?//

so my advice to all p2ps is DELETE THE PROGRAM and to be extra ASSURED ... DELETE THE FILES

remember, they can always track our IP adresses juist like they did to those 7,500 unfortunate ppl in usa.

posted 2006-Sep-15, 12am AEST
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disagree-er writes...

if i crash a car can i sue the PERSON WHO RAN INTO ME AND THE RENTAL COMPANY WHO THEY GOT THE CAR FROM BOTH FOR FULL DAMAGES?/??? i dont see how they can do this!! please reply.......

disagree-er


Of course RIAA will want to take full advantage of the situation, They would be stupid not to. I see where you're coming from with the analogy, but this is on a completly different level.

posted 2006-Sep-15, 12am AEST
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User #85823   5326 posts
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so is frostwire still "safe"?

posted 2006-Sep-15, 12am AEST
User #113169   3362 posts
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So whats it mean

posted 2006-Sep-15, 8am AEST
User #25263   4182 posts
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people will just move to the next big thing.... and the next big things will become more and more decentralised while the world most devious minds learn from the RIAAs tactics and build networks to protect themselves and the users

The RIAA will never win, but the money they continue to make suing people will ensure they stay around

posted 2006-Sep-15, 9am AEST
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kowcop writes...


people will just move to the next big thing.... and the next big things will become more and more decentralised while the world most devious minds learn from the RIAAs tactics and build networks to protect themselves and the users

The RIAA will never win, but the money they continue to make suing people will ensure they stay around


What about users/ex-users?

posted 2006-Sep-15, 9am AEST
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The Nibbleman writes...
If that is true why did you post the link?

Wrong I didn't post the clickable link.

posted 2006-Sep-15, 10am AEST
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entropy writes...
so is frostwire still "safe"?

No, P2P isn't safe.

posted 2006-Sep-15, 10am AEST
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disagree-er writes...


Please don't shout, it isn't nice netiquette. You can also use full stops and sentences, lets you take a breath.

Your car crash analogy is just bogus, nothing to do with car crashes, the easy way around this is don't download illegally and the RIA will not bother you.

Please Reply: Yes I will, don't shout and please use full stops and sentences.

Don't download illegally and you don't have to worry about the RIAA, no rocket science.

posted 2006-Sep-15, 10am AEST
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User #57365   632 posts
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How could you be surprised buy this, the RIAA sues everyone

posted 2006-Sep-15, 12pm AEST
User #135966   759 posts
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Muad'Dib writes...


Please don't shout, it isn't nice netiquette. You can also use full stops and sentences, lets you take a breath.


sorry about my 'netiquette' fullstop.

posted 2006-Sep-15, 6pm AEST
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User #113169   3362 posts
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AMD Good writes...

How could you be surprised buy this, the RIAA sues everyone

Just the big fry that provide the service and those that do it on business, educational or public networks. Cause thats what its been in the past Or are they after individuals now?

posted 2006-Sep-15, 8pm AEST
User #50813   1359 posts
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Another brick in the wall of the RIAA/MPAA's lawsuit against the Internet. They're pretty stupid if they think they're going to kill the distribution of data across global P2P networks.

*Sigh* I wonder why everyone hates big companies with too much money and time.

Edit: It's mostly just financial intimidation, these P2P groups simply can't afford to fight a legal battle with a company that can keep throwing millions of dollars into such an attempt

posted 2006-Sep-15, 9pm AEST
edited 2006-Sep-15, 9pm AEST
User #43620   7595 posts
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Aякtic Wolf writes...

Edit: It's mostly just financial intimidation, these P2P groups simply can't afford to fight a legal battle with a company that can keep throwing millions of dollars into such an attempt
so, dont hire a lawer and fight it anyway..

look at sony and the PSone modchip...

posted 2006-Sep-15, 9pm AEST
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They can sue me I don't care. But if they insist I am prepared to pay them in illegal bootlegs and they can have all my old cds and dvds of old version obsolete pirated software. But only if they pay for shipping.

Lawyers and the entertainment industry =J88 HATE

posted 2006-Sep-16, 1am AEST
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peacenik writes...
But if they insist I am prepared to pay them in illegal bootlegs

Foolish words, they would simply just take all you computer equipment away. Easy solution, don't download illegally, boasting about you illegal activities in an open forum makes a lot of sense, not. Who's that knocking on your door?

posted 2006-Sep-16, 10am AEST
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Muad'Dib writes...

No, P2P isn't safe.

P2P isn't safe just like walking across a road or going outside isn't safe

posted 2006-Sep-16, 2pm AEST
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Alpha) writes...

P2P isn't safe just like walking across a road or going outside isn't safe

Really, P2P can result in death?

posted 2006-Sep-16, 3pm AEST
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MickJT writes...

Really, P2P can result in death?

Mate doing nothing or anything can result in death

posted 2006-Sep-16, 5pm AEST
User #76495   3499 posts
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Use the:
"IP address != Physical Person" defence
(!= means NOT EQUAL)

Wasn't there an article that showed the RIAA conceding defeat after a defendant was able to prove this fact to the judge?

Or you could just stop using P2P altogether, until more secure ways of transferring files is developed. Essentially the RIAA exploit the "free nature" of P2P programs.

Go figure.

posted 2006-Sep-16, 7pm AEST
User #12150   3754 posts
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Frostwire ppl

download it now :p

frostwire has no trademark, has no advertising revenue. they will not be able to make nothing out of takin them to court.

posted 2006-Sep-17, 12am AEST
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The day that cds come in non mass produced arse looking crackable covers, or the price of singles lowers, or buying mp3s is so easy and the quality of them is so assured that you wouldn't want to touch a bad rip again.. is the day that I buy all my music

posted 2006-Sep-17, 12am AEST
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I can't understand how being in the music business can be considered a "profession." Music hasn't been about "the art of music" ever since the first vinyl record was mass produced and sold for profit.

I have NEVER bought or downloaded a CD/tape/etc in my life, and don't expect to in my remaining years.

posted 2006-Sep-17, 12am AEST
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The RIAA is putting their lawyers kids through university

posted 2006-Sep-17, 12am AEST
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sonix writes...

Frostwire ppl

download it now :p


it looks exactly like limewire, interface and all :S

posted 2006-Sep-17, 12am AEST
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aedeau writes...

it looks exactly like limewire, interface and all :S

It's Java based, yuck!

posted 2006-Sep-17, 12am AEST
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Apollo Creed writes...

It's Java based, yuck!

yeah, it's so slow and clunky, oh well, i guess that's the trade off for platform portability.

posted 2006-Sep-17, 12am AEST
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nvm

posted 2006-Sep-17, 1am AEST
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MickJT writes...

Really, P2P can result in death?

Maybe in China :P

Seriously though, if you download illegal stuff over P2P you need to be aware that there is a chance of getting sued for i (however small).
Also, the RIAA isn't looking too win the court case. The $150,000 per offence is the max penalty under US law, and just there to scare Limewire. What they are aiming for is a settlement.

posted 2006-Sep-17, 10am AEST
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Anythin is bad in China. !

posted 2006-Sep-17, 12pm AEST
User #113169   3362 posts
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So what is the precedent set? What does it mean for the Australian legal system?

posted 2006-Sep-17, 12pm AEST
User #123667   3287 posts
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So if I download things off Limewire there is a chance that I will get sued, while downloading the same thing off Frostwire or Ares will result in nothing?
One may ask, what is the chance of getting sued?
Also, the $150 000 fine is the maximum and would unlikely be given out, right? (just like on Border Security, Channel 7. They say, at the start of the show, fines up to $100 000 but then at the and it says "Harry got fined $1000 then was free to go.")

It is a way of scaring people, right?

posted 2006-Sep-17, 6pm AEST
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LimeWire Counter Sues the RIAA

LimeWire’s Mark Gorton and Greg Bildson filed a counter claim today, alleging the music industry "...incurred antitrust violations, consumer fraud, and other misconduct." The RIAA sued LimeWire in early August for not complying with its September 13, 2005, cease and desist notification.

“[The RIAA’s] goal was simple: to destroy any online music distribution service they did not own or control, or force such services to do business with them on exclusive and/or other anticompetitive terms so as to limit and ultimately control the distribution and pricing of digital music, all to the detriment of consumers.”

Most of LimeWire’s counterclaim denied or did not claim knowledge of a vast majority of the music industry’s allegations.


Quote from Slyck.com article headed Limewire counter sues RIAA

Right back at you RIAA, Limewire style. :)

posted 2006-Sep-28, 9am AEST
edited 2006-Sep-28, 9am AEST
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Drummer_boy writes...

One may ask, what is the chance of getting sued?


you are 4 times more likely to get struck by lighting than sued.

posted 2006-Sep-28, 1pm AEST
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IKT writes...

You are 4 times more likely to get struck by lighting than sued.

You are joking, right?

posted 2006-Sep-28, 1pm AEST
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IKT writes...

you are 4 times more likely to get struck by lighting than sued.

you've obviously never been to the USA then have you? Their litigation system makes it so easy to sue.

Why do you think their court system is backed up years

posted 2006-Sep-28, 2pm AEST
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Spudda writes...

Why do you think their court system is backed up years

Yeah, so while you're waiting, you can get hit by lightning four times!! :)

posted 2006-Sep-28, 4pm AEST
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Muad'Dib writes...

LimeWire Counter Sues the RIAA

Quote from Slyck.com article headed Limewire counter sues RIAA

Right back at you RIAA, Limewire style. :)


If Limewire win, this will have huge ramifications on how RIAA operates in future. It may well be the beginning of the end for monopolies like RIAA.

posted 2006-Sep-28, 8pm AEST
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$150,000 is the max a "copyright holder" can sue someone for coping their work.

not that RIAA produce any work, they simply buy to the copyrights to work.

posted 2006-Sep-28, 10pm AEST
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Drummer_boy writes...

You are joking, right?

No, you really are 4 times more likely to be struck by lighting than be sued by the RIAA according to an article I read.

Something like 100 Million file sharers (just looking at some rough stats, probably over 1 billion file sharers by now, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Im...Unique_Users.svg napster had 15 million alone at it's peak and that was 6 years ago), anyway, so far around 20,000 have been sued.

100,000,000 People file share.
---,-20,000 have been sued.

What are the odds?

Or the big picture:

23 million aussies.
0 sued by the riaa.

=)

Spudda writes...

you've obviously never been to the USA then have you?

Why would I want to go there, people sue each other like there's no tommorow ;)

I am very happy living in this big open country called Australia.

posted 2006-Sep-30, 2am AEST
edited 2006-Sep-30, 2am AEST
User #127677   1236 posts
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It's about time riaa cracked down on limewire. Seemed strange the music industry spent so much time sueing kazaa and trying to destroy that network when the music companies own actions of putting on heaps of fake and deliberately damaged mp3 files resulted in limewire becoming the new kazaa due to the extra security that client has and it's ability to detect faked files.

I don't know anyone that's used kazaa for years, limewire is where you download mp3's. everyone knew that.

posted 2006-Sep-30, 1pm AEST
User #94718   1158 posts
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Siga writes...

when the music companies own actions of putting on heaps of fake and deliberately damaged mp3 files

The act of the RIAA and it's allied labels seeding the networks with broken or tagged mp3s of brand new singles not yet released, is tantamount to entrapment. They knew when they went about distributing new music that hadn't hit shelves yet that people would download them.

And they ignored or hid the fact that by distributing music files (regardless of whether they worked or not) was a blatant violation of the copyright legislation they throw in everyones face when they get "caught".

Damn.... this always makes me mad, and when i get mad i make no sense, lol. If anyone wants a translation of the above rant, whim me later :P

posted 2006-Sep-30, 2pm AEST
User #48538   160 posts
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WinMX isn't dead.............

posted 2006-Oct-22, 2pm AEST
User #113169   3362 posts
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Do we have any lawyers here?

posted 2006-Oct-22, 5pm AEST
User #67098   11523 posts
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What's with the bump?

posted 2006-Oct-22, 5pm AEST
User #110457   869 posts
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I reckon a DMCA violation notice would look awesome in a picture frame on the wall of my lounge room with a down-light above it ;)

posted 2006-Oct-22, 6pm AEST
User #130650   1757 posts
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Sacky writes...

Solution = Get Frostwire

Frostwire shares the same files as Limewire, same as any other P2P proggie.

posted 2007-Jan-7, 9am AEST
User #34457   395 posts
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people still use limewire?

torrents are the new P2P for the small man. from there usually u can get into the scene. but not if they know u have been into torrents LOL its a vicious cycle.

posted 2007-May-2, 12pm AEST
User #2070   32937 posts
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chome writes...

people still use limewire?

Limewire now can download torrents. I wonder if the RIAA are happy with that?

posted 2007-May-2, 12pm AEST
User #104246   1097 posts
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chome writes...

from there usually u can get into the scene.

the scene should be renamed to "group of 16 year olds who want attention and mostly cannot do a decent rip for the life of them".

posted 2007-May-2, 1pm AEST
edited 2007-May-2, 1pm AEST
User #117858   44 posts
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This story is 240 days old..

posted 2007-May-2, 2pm AEST
User #2070   32937 posts
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Flon writes...

This story is 240 days old.

Still hot news as the RIAA vs the World is continuing.

posted 2007-May-2, 3pm AEST
User #152772   296 posts
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It really doesn't matter what they do or how many "illegal" programs/protocols they shut down. The problem is there are fare MORE people working AGAINST them than for them.. They will never win.

posted 2007-May-2, 6pm AEST
edited 2007-May-2, 6pm AEST
User #170367   30 posts
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I agree they will never win

posted 2007-May-2, 6pm AEST
User #2070   32937 posts
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cr3ativ3 writes...

I agree they will never win

Doing a pretty good job at the moment. Soon to be doing the same in Oz through the Australian *AA's

posted 2007-May-2, 7pm AEST
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The Music Industry Wants to Kill LimeWire.

The next chapter.

It was a fall day in 2005, and Mark Gorton was feeling chilled. He was sitting in a conference room high above the streets of New York City. Around a table sat six executives from major recording labels. The suits eyeballed Gorton, a clean-cut 37-year-old with short dark hair and bushy eyebrows. With electrical engineering degrees from Yale and Stanford and an MBA from Harvard, Gorton hardly fit the stereotype of the renegade hacker.

In the meantime, Gorton hopes to negotiate a settlement that will lead to a more robust business plan—from building in a payment mechanism for consumers who wish to purchase music, or—in a nod to his original plan for LimeWire—in creating a system that feeds sales leads from consumer queries to interested parties. Ultimately, he says, there’s no turning back the tide. “The core focus of the music industry has been shutting down individual file-sharing programs, and that has proven to be a failure,” he says, “it just takes one high school kid in Eastern Europe to undermine their entire industry.”

www.spectrum.ieee.org/may07/5102

posted 2007-May-29, 4pm AEST
User #116215   2260 posts
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I would love to see the RIAA take on IRC:P People trade music and games etc over IRC all the time with channels dedicated to it. It would be an impossible task to destroy IRC though and thus there is still one avenue people will still hold onto even if P2P programs are deemed illegal.

posted 2007-May-29, 5pm AEST
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__RavErz__ writes...

I would love to see the RIAA take on IRC

IRC isn't P2P, they could easily take down IRC doesn't take much nous to monitor illegal download channels.

This current round of action against Limewire is just the tip of an iceberg, they have begun a new campaign of issuing cease and desists and prosecutions.

posted 2007-May-29, 6pm AEST
edited 2007-May-29, 6pm AEST
User #20406   2758 posts
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You don't upload on IRC so no RIAA hounding you for distribution.

posted 2007-May-29, 6pm AEST
User #40792   948 posts
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Yeah but im sure you guys wont be to keen to join a cue of a few hundred people..

posted 2007-May-29, 6pm AEST
User #2070   32937 posts
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Micah Sanders writes...

You don't upload on IRC so no RIAA hounding you for distribution.

Still doesn't stop them from hassling you over illegal downloads.

posted 2007-May-29, 6pm AEST
User #169596   207 posts
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Honestly why does RIAA bother, they sue Limewire sure but it's the tip of the iceburg but they must know as they try and stop one 10 others will float by =)

posted 2007-May-30, 3am AEST
User #86166   2115 posts
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cooperaver writes...

anyone using limewire is fairly silly

found it to be a great way to acquire viruses....adware and the like.....

had no issues with regular BT clients.......


Yeah, well you'll get that when you dl and run 28kb exe's

posted 2007-May-30, 6am AEST
User #130619   938 posts
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cooperaver writes...

found it to be a great way to acquire viruses....adware and the like.....

Thats only if you download Eminem show.exe hehe :P

posted 2007-May-30, 7am AEST
edited 2007-May-30, 7am AEST
User #174424   179 posts
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Who still uses these stupid Napster-esque programs anyhow , lol....

posted 2007-May-31, 10am AEST
User #174424   179 posts
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Muad'Dib writes...


Actually, he quotes:

Gorton hardly fit the stereotype of the renegade hacker.


Lol , hes a hacker? and a renegade one at that!?

Gorton hopes to negotiate a settlement that will lead to a more robust business plan....building in a payment mechanism for consumers....creating a system that feeds sales leads from consumer queries to interested parties...

Oh yeah, totally haxxor

posted 2007-May-31, 10am AEST
edited 2007-Jun-1, 1pm AEST
User #2070   32937 posts
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UC Riverside researchers examined the Gnutella P2P file-sharing network to find out how many "bad guys" are out there watching you at any given time.

In a paper called “P2P: Is Big Brother Watching You?” three University of California, Riverside researchers show that approximately 15% of users connected to the Gnutella file-sharing network are there to troll for illegal file sharing activity on behalf of the RIAA or the federal government.


Further proof to stay away from Limewire et al.

www.zeropaid.com/news/90...+Are+%27Spies%27

posted 2007-Oct-11, 1am AEST
edited 2007-Oct-11, 1am AEST
User #159514   167 posts
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Whats the difference between downloading off a peer 2 peer network on limewire than using limewire to download a torrent?

Is downloading a torrent 'ok' but p2p is not?

posted 2007-Oct-11, 1pm AEST
User #145437   849 posts
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why dont they start suing schools and uni's.
I know at my school thousands of music and video files are being shared every day due to this new laptop program they have in place. THey would be better off suing these places instead of individuals.

posted 2007-Oct-11, 3pm AEST
User #2070   32937 posts
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aaurora writes...

Whats the difference between downloading off a peer 2 peer network on limewire than using limewire to download a torrent?


No difference they are both P2P applications, seeing that the Gnutella network is 15% full of narcs it wouldn't be a good idea to use it for torrents.

pattherat111 writes...

why dont they start suing schools and uni's.

They have and they are, have a gander at Slyck.

posted 2007-Oct-11, 4pm AEST
User #2070   32937 posts
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Limewire wants to start contextual advertising, become the Google of the P2P space.

The saga continues with this from the Limewire CEO.

Limewire CEO George Searle opened his keynote at the P2P Advertising Upfront LA event earlier this week with an unexpected observation. Searle told the audience that there is no growth in the online music market. Market researchers actually would expect music downloads to go down by seven percent over the next five years. Paid search on the other hand would grow by 132 percent.

Limewire to become a P2P Google, more reasons to avoid it now.

www.dcia.info/activities...ertising_upfront

posted 2007-Nov-4, 8am AEST
edited 2007-Nov-4, 8am AEST
User #102722   1600 posts
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Muad'Dib writes...

Limewire to become a P2P Google, more reasons to avoid it now.

Limewire isn't becoming a P2P Google in a hurry. A real P2P Google will be a site that has the ability to search all networks including major torrent sites. A smell an idea coming along...

posted 2007-Nov-4, 9am AEST
User #2070   32937 posts
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Sacky writes...

A real P2P Google will be a site that has the ability to search all networks including major torrent sites.

Well seeing that the RIAA pwn Limewire I don't think it will be them, the CEO is looking for paid search dosh. Rather strange considering that Limewire are about to go into the online music market.

posted 2007-Nov-4, 10am AEST
User #95240   514 posts
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lmfao this thread is still around i posted in it on the 1st page 15 months ago lol. (btw i still use limewire).

posted 2007-Nov-4, 10am AEST
edited 2007-Nov-4, 10am AEST
User #43707   5721 posts
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the latest limewire stopped the fake files but they are coming back again, i can get 100 plus k of limewire with decent sources, not bad hey

posted 2007-Nov-6, 10pm AEST
User #151727   2363 posts
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so what does this mean....you can get sued if you download off limewire?
the past pages are all over the place

posted 2007-Nov-16, 7pm AEST
User #97695   308 posts
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What about Ares?

posted 2008-Feb-28, 3pm AEST
User #2070   32937 posts
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With an ‘assimilation agenda’ that only the Borg would be proud of, the RIAA / IFPI and their puppeteers have almost completed the takeover of all the major P2P players, and just need one final filesharing cornerpiece to complete the home-run. Batting .750 with the new Bearshare, iMesh and the most recent takeover (webjacking) of Shareaza.com; there’s but just one lone P2P juggernaut remaining - Limewire. We suspect that there, too, will come a day when filesharers will rightfully have to avoid the Limewire domain - probably sooner than later. The empirical RIAA will use it’s normal modus operandi to acquire Limewire, much in the same surreptitious way they snagged Shareaza less than three months ago.

Looks like it is bye byes for Limewire, the MAFIAA has the Gnutella network leaking like a sieve.

filesharefreak.com/2008/...n-limewire-to-go

posted 2008-Mar-7, 9pm AEST
edited 2008-Mar-7, 9pm AEST
User #168834   1341 posts
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lets get downloadin' peoples!

if they did sue, the bloody aus. governemnt wouldnt even be able to afford it!

posted 2008-Mar-7, 11pm AEST
User #216226   10 posts
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I dunno...I think Limewire is here to stay and other peer to peer apps for that matter as long as Internet is here then peer to peer is to stay.

posted 2008-Mar-8, 12am AEST
User #24695   12524 posts
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zahir writes...

I dunno...I think Limewire is here to stay and other peer to peer apps for that matter as long as Internet is here then peer to peer is to stay.

Famous last words uttered by all their predecessors. Kazaa and Napster both thought they were immune too. How wrong they were.

I'll keep my usenet you can have your fake files and virii on limewire :)

posted 2008-Mar-8, 12am AEST
User #2070   32937 posts
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zahir writes...

I dunno...I think Limewire is here to stay and other peer to peer apps for that matter as long as Internet is here then peer to peer is to stay.

Umm did you read a different article? Limewire is on the way out.

posted 2008-Mar-8, 10am AEST
User #212000   11 posts
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+1 to that. Torrents ftw... p2p is for old school lamers

posted 2008-Mar-17, 6pm AEST
User #198553   38 posts
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Call me Ishmael writes...

+1 to that. Torrents ftw... p2p is for old school lamers

Ok... how exactly do