Whirlpool

As the title says.

Is there a way to anonymize my ip in bitcomet or azureus, im fed up with 4kb/sec.

LOL

Had one of you leecher types not gone out and asked how to leech better MAYBE you would get better speeds.

forum-replies.cfm?t=521258#r11

And the answer is no. You cant "anonimiZe" your IP. Even if you can you'd have to put up with speeds about 10 times worse than before.

had telstra not included our uploads in our download limit, im sure it wouldnt have happened.

Yeah well. Noone's keeping you with Telstra. And noone has to give you data if you don't give the data back. Pretty simple really.

I don't see why we deserve to be banned for it. Telstra cable has the fastest speeds anywhere in aust, so we get the file quickly then disappear an hour later (for tv shows). Otherwise we are a constant drain for hours, even days, while we download the files. It just frustrates me that because we don't "share", or more precicely CANT share, we can't be given the files we need. It's not like we're slowing you all down?

tommmeeee writes...

Telstra cable has the fastest speeds anywhere in aust

Actually, they don't. They have fast download speeds, but even then they are not the fastest, and their upload speeds are horrible. And that, plus the upload being included in your download quota, means BP users don't tend to share as much as other users, and that's the reason BP IPs get banned.

C.

Name a faster ISP then cowboy.

You answered your own question. You do a hit and run, download 500 MB and upload 1 MB in an hour. Now that alot are banning BP IPs you download 500 MB and upload 20 MB. You've given something to the community, aren't you pround?

or, according to telstra, ive DOWNLOADED 520mb.

tommmeeee writes...

Name a faster ISP then cowboy.

Any ISP offering ADSL2+ - for example: Adam, iiNet, Internode, TPG, Optus, etc...

C.

Faster than 17000mb/sec?

tommmeeee writes...

Faster than 17000mb/sec?

Definately faster than you. People have been getting 20 MBits+ for ages now. Look at my quip for example.

i guess im wrong then.

still, not much i can do. my mum wont change from telstra, she already thinks im going to jail for what i download now...

Retracted.

im sorry....
sorry tommee... even though i didnt have a chance to read your reply.....

I do it for the good of the (private tracker) community. I like many others are sick and tired of uploading to hit 'n' runners (aka Leechers) who just don't share, and care not for the reasons (aka excuses).

I do the same to cheating clients/mods so it is an attack on leechers, not specifically Bigpond customers.

forum-replies.cfm?t=5212...7964647#r7964647

You (and all Bigpond customers) are just caught between private trackers and bad (Bigpond) policy. Make your choice, change ISPs to one that doesn't put such strict limitations on your net use or live with your decision and realise that private trackers aren't for you.

(looking at adsl 2 plans atm)

pat my post said "and it's really my fault i can't share. I bet you don't even share yourself. I have a mate on iinet adsl 2 and he doesnt like uploading cos it slows him down. Why not ban iinet too?"

+ one derogatory word

The answer is that 1 person deciding not to share is not a problem. But with Bigpond the policy deters people from sharing, so much so that most don't share and only the occasional person does. It makes it easier to blanket ban bad ISPs than ban 99% of their customers individually.

With the iinet customer, they would be banned individually either on the tracker (for not sharing), for using a banned client (that cheats) or by users who catch them not sharing.

Why would we remove you from the list?
You admit to taking more than you give. This slows down downloads for all of us.
It is your fault for choosing bigpong. Live with it.

Also, I wouldn't put your ip on here. People might be tempted to do some bad things, especially considering you are a self confessed leecher.

Easy solution.

My best mate is on bigppond Cable. I signed him up on a private site that im with, he pays them $20 and gets 20G credited to his account.

Edit: speeds are plenty fast on there, so he can hit and run, without complaints

tommmeeee writes...

pat my post said "and it's really my fault i can't share. I bet you don't even share yourself. I have a mate on iinet adsl 2 and he doesnt like uploading cos it slows him down. Why not ban iinet too?"

+ one derogatory word

ok.... i can imagine what derogatory word that was.... hahahaha

my ratio for public trackers is .1:1
on private it is 2:1

whenever i get shaped... i just open all my public torrents and seed 24/7

Hard@worK writes...

Easy solution.

My best mate is on bigppond Cable. I signed him up on a private site that im with, he pays them $20 and gets 20G credited to his account.

Edit: speeds are plenty fast on there, so he can hit and run, without complaints

this sounds like the best thing to do... $20 for 20 gig is pretty good... im assuming $AUD

patomunoz writes...

... $20 for 20 gig is pretty good... im assuming $AUD

Couldnt tell you for sure. But i know there are $10 for 10G as well. actually i think it is $20 for 25G

Of course you still have to maintain a minimum of 8K/sec upload for full speeds. And Bitcomet is banned :) :) :)

Only other option i guess for the hit and runners are usenet. Although i dont know much about it.

tommmeeee writes...
pat my post said "and it's really my fault i can't share. I bet you don't even share yourself. I have a mate on iinet adsl 2 and he doesnt like uploading cos it slows him down. Why not ban iinet too?"

+ one derogatory word

Simple, I use an anti leech client, anybody that doesn't share properly gets the boot. Don't share properly get lost :)

I don't share with people who have made a poor choice of ISP or "leech".

Muad'Dib writes...

Simple, I use an anti leech client, anybody that doesn't share properly gets the boot. Don't share properly get lost :)

I don't share with people who have made a poor choice of ISP or "leech".

Where can i get it? Great Idea!!

The OP should be BANNED from the net FOREVER! Dirty rotten leecher! Grrrr....

Butcha writes...

Where can i get it? Great Idea!!

The OP should be BANNED from the net FOREVER! Dirty rotten leecher! Grrrr....

sort of agree... but can understand his situation....

the OP should pay that $20 and be done with it

tommmeeee writes...

im not denying that i hit and run every torrent i get.

Which is the reason I ban all Telstra BigPond IP Addresses from downloading off me because you just download and leave, its not fair to the rest of us that upload.

i cant afford to upload, sorry but it's true, and thats why im, we're being punished.

Yes, you made your decision to choose Telstra live with it.

vote tom and remove JUST one ip from your ban :D

20*.***.***.***

Not going to happen, I just don't see the point in uploading to someone that isn't going to upload to anybody else.

I bet you don't even share yourself.

I have uploaded 15.6 GB so far.

Muad'Dib writes...

I use an anti leech client, anybody that doesn't share properly gets the boot.

How does it determine whos a leech and who isn't? someone can download from you and upload to other people, that doesn't make them a leech.

tommmeeee writes...

I have a mate on iinet adsl 2 and he doesnt like uploading cos it slows him down.

Wrong, if properly configured he should be uploading at about 80-100KB/S and it wont effect his download or surfing speed. Just need to find some decent QOS software and you'll be right.

Why not ban iinet too?"

Because the majority of IInet users will upload, and im guessing most of ADSL2+ users will upload more than they download.

Telstra cable isnt even that fast anymore. My mate is on cable and he used to get 900KB/S from internet sites, now he struggles to get 300KB/S from australian servers. My speeds on bittorrent are the same as his an im only on 1.5MB. Plus im allowed to download 70GB for around the same price he gets 10GB.

Simply tell your parents to change ISP, if they dont want to go out get a job like the rest of us, pay for your own broadband and upload.

Eman writes...

if they dont want to go out get a job like the rest of us, pay for your own broadband and upload.

ZING!!

Hard@work writes...

My best mate is on bigppond Cable. I signed him up on a private site that I'm with, he pays them $20 and gets 20G credited to his account.

Well that site is clearly profiting off warez and the scene groups hard work, so deserves to be shut down.

lol might as well use newsgroups alot cheaper, no uploading involved except for ACK packets.

But banning generally makes no real difference as there are plenty of public trackers available.

Yes IT'S only those that use BIGPOND leeching, NOT!. Seriously whatever connection anyone has or ISP, people will leech. Generally because who really honestly cares about the other person download once you get the download.

This world isn't that nice. Is it?

Ray writes...
How does it determine whos a leech and who isn't? someone can download from you and upload to other people, that doesn't make them a leech.

Easy, you set it to a higher upload if they are leeching it auto kicks them, under 10k and bye bye, sayonara, bon voyage. Don't share properly, not good BT manners.

Why Bigpond WHY!! writes...

Generally because who really honestly cares about the other person download once you get the download.


Unfortunatly thats the generaly opinion of Telstra users, other ISP are bad but as a whole they are generally better.

Butcha writes...
Where can i get it? Great Idea!!

Rufus.

rufus.sourceforge.net

It is only effective on large swarms.

private tracker members will seed, hell so would i. but public i know for a fact people dont give as much as they take - as a whole. why bother??

tommmeeee writes...

i know for a fact people dont give as much as they take - as a whole. why bother??

Because if everyone thought that way, BT wouldn't work at all, because the swarms would just collapse.

If you are not prepared to upload, don't complain when you get banned - simple as that.

C.

tommmeeee writes...

private tracker members will seed, hell so would i. but public i know for a fact people dont give as much as they take - as a whole. why bother??

Your wrong for one obvious reason, torrent still exsit. Mathematically you have to upload as much is downloaded. So average accross all users is a ratio of 1:1. You can change that. Even in private trackers the ratio is still the same. 1:1

patomunoz writes...

whenever i get shaped... i just open all my public torrents and seed 24/7
yeah, that's what I do as well. I always try to share to at least 2:1 on every file I download. Most of them (stuff that seems to be very popular) I just leave permanently in my upload list and it just gets rotated.

I think I've downloaded something like 68Gb and uploaded almost 180Gb. I think it's only fair that I give back something that's cost me nothing to get back in the first place.

I've got a mate at work who refuses to upload and as soon as he downloads stuff, he moves it out of the downloads folder so it can't be uploaded. To top it off, he throttles his uploads back to almost nothing. And everytime his ratio gets so high that he can't download anymore, he signs upf or a new account with X and uses a new copy of his client in a new VM. Pretty rude really!

Im guessing your on ADSL2+? Im on a 69GB limit, yet its mathematically impossible to upload more that that each month. To upload 69GB you have to upload at a constant 26.6KB/S. Its just not possible to upload more than that, and because i surf the net a lot i cant be uploading at the speed while surfing. So generally i can upload around 30GB month if i really try.

Muad'Dib writes...

Rufus.

also a blacklisted client (on private trackers) because it doesn't operate properly.

Well your IPS hasnt been banned on the trackers otherwise ud get 0kbps, in fact i dont think this is your problem at all, it sounds like a NAT error

but to anonymise yourself:
use TOR plugin or I2P Plugin

Also even given that a couple of people on whirlpool block bigpond IP's its no big deal, because the chances that they are actually affecting your overall download speed is very slight indeed

What are Telstra's IPs?
203.45.x.x?

aob1 writes...

TO
aob1... What are Telstra's IPs?
203.45.x.x?

forum-replies.cfm?t=521258#r20

tommmeeee writes...

so we get the file quickly then disappear an hour later

and this is the reason that people of this behaviour are not liked. Personally, if you are going to do this, only bother to join older torrents and not ones that have been out for <12 hours.

Otherwise we are a constant drain for hours, even days

torrents are not speed related, it counts / maters on the amont of data that istaken and not returned to the swarm.

It's not like we're slowing you all down?

yes it is actually.

Well the amount of effect that people will get by banning Bigpond users will be very minimal on there speed, the chances that a bigpond user will be downloading on a torrent, and be smart enough to open there ports so they actually get a good download vs upload ratio in there favour are very slim indeed, besides most of the stuff is uploaded by overseas people so the only reason people ban bigpond users is because they assume that all bigpond users leech, and are probably right, but let the dog have its bone, it doesnt affect us leechers in the slightest

Eman writes...

Its just not possible to upload more than that,

it is on a 512/512 connection :)

been there - done that :) - 1:1 is soo easy on it :)

and it helps a little if your got a quota as it slows you down to a reasonable 100GB a month. :)

Reaper writes...
also a blacklisted client (on private trackers) because it doesn't operate properly.

Don't use it on private trackers.

Sacky writes...
but let the dog have its bone, it doesnt affect us leechers in the slightest

Once the list becomes more wide spread, it will, popping up in lots of blocklists, especially now we have propagated the "Reaper Solution" :) Bluetack is picking up Telstra and Optus IP lists steadily.

I'm on a 512/512 connection too. Easily fast enough download speed, and can give back much more than I take.

with uTorrent:
Downloaded 117 gb
Uploaded 181 gb.

Keep in mind these figures include the somewhat leechy phase I went through while on 256/64.

I know a lot of people say "who cares about the other people" but I really like the fact I upload so much more makes me happy. And everytime I find a rare torrent that I have trouble finishing, I make sure whoever comes next won't have the same issue. Infact. I have labels set up in uTorrent categorizing stuff by how much more it needs to be seeded (for example, Aussie Stuff has a label so I seed it indefintely).

It really isnt hard to keep a ratio of 1:1 or more, and private trackers enforce this - they dont need Bigponders slowing their members down.

The biggest amount I've uploaded on something is 30 gb (original download was 11 gb) - and when none of my other torrents have peers waiting, I let it go some more ;)

[edit]
How does Rufus actually know who's leeching? By people who give you less than 10 kbps? That's a pretty high expectation...

Muad'Dib writes...

Once the list becomes more wide spread, it will, popping up in lots of blocklists, especially now we have propagated the "Reaper Solution" :) Bluetack is picking up Telstra and Optus IP lists steadily.

Maybe to the whirlpool community and a couple of other australian sites, but how many actual releases come from australia
im sure theres a couple but basically none worth mentioning, and no private tracker will go as far to block them, so the leechers are safe

* round of applause for Mike *

:D

Sacky writes...

and no private tracker will go as far to block them,

excuse me? That's what this thread is about.

Coolman mike writes...

excuse me? That's what this thread is about.

How can the OP connect to the tracker and download at 4kbps if its blocked him??

Coolman mike writes...

I really like the fact I upload so much more makes me happy.

I agree. Uploading embiggens the smallest man :p
home.arcor.de/bananas02/embiggens.png

It's just really frustrating on a public tracker when you're basically holding the torrent single-handedly, and you put so much effort monitoring the torrent to create more seeders so everybody won't be so reliant on you - then all these people go from 99% and then just disappear.
It's so wrong. I feel so ripped off. 1mbit is not enough to carry a mildly popular torrent and it just means all your hard work playing around with prioritisation, etc. is for nothing.
I've blocked all Bigpond users, and I'd be glad if some of the public trackers I know did the same.

Actually, private trackers are fine. I don't mind Bigpond users using private trackers, as they are responsible for their own ratio and are punished/rewarded accordingly. There's usually such a huge seeder to leecher ratio on them anyway, I doubt a few leechers would be detrimental.

It's the huge, public ones that suffer from people like Tom here.

kako writes...

I've blocked all Bigpond users, and I'd be glad if some of the public trackers I know did the same.

I doubt they will, a lot of trackers are based offshore and dont really care about bigpond

kako writes...

I feel so ripped off

and im sure that companies dont feel ripped off at all when they see people like you seeding copyrighted files

Sacky writes...

I doubt they will, a lot of trackers are based offshore and dont really care about bigpond

Heh, so are most private ones, and has already been noted some have taken the steps to speed limit/ban Bigpond IPs.

kako writes...

Heh, so are most private ones, and has already been noted some have taken the steps to speed limit/ban Bigpond IPs.

as you said before, private trackers are based on a 1:1 ratio, so they couldnt care less as long as you upload, if u dont they kick and ban u

Sacky writes...

as you said before, private trackers are based on a 1:1 ratio, so they couldnt care less as long as you upload, if u dont they kick and ban u

Did you even read the original post of this thread?

You're arguing that no private or public tracker would bother banning Bigpond IPs, when the whole topic of this thread concerns the fact that some do.
It's actually news to me that any tracker bans Bigpond IPs, but obviously they do otherwise this thread wouldn't exist.

Sacky writes...

but to anonymise yourself:
use TOR plugin or I2P Plugin

Maybe that's what he's doing, hence the complaining about low speed. Thought of that?
Or perhaps the trackers don't ban, but just deprioritise to the shithouse.

and im sure that companies dont feel ripped off at all when they see people like you seeding copyrighted files

Oh come off it, ever heard of honour amongst thieves?

kako writes...

Maybe that's what he's doing, hence the complaining about low speed. Thought of that?

Well his initial post pointed to the fact that he couldnt get a good speed because "the tracker banned bigpond" so obviously if he was using TOR/I2P bigpond would have nothing to do with it
and i doubt any tracker (not including very very private trackers set up using azureus) has actually gone so far as to deprioritise bigpond users, public trackers dont care, private trackers dont care, the only people who care are australian bt users, and if u want to block us then fine block us, but it wont do any good to stop people leeching

Oh come off it, ever heard of honour amongst thieves?

So its ok to rip off corporations/performers but not people who seed BT files

kako writes...

It's actually news to me that any tracker bans Bigpond IPs, but obviously they do otherwise this thread wouldn't exist.

The OP is making the assumption that the tracker has "banned" his IP, but how can his IP be banned if he is downloading at 4kbps

Do telstra users have static IPs?

Eman writes...

Does telstra have a static IP?

All Telstra IP's have a the same syntax, but different numbers at the end to differentiate between the different users
ADSL Telstra plans change when u reset your router
I believe Cable is Static

Sacky writes...

All Telstra IP's have a the same syntax, but different numbers at the end to differentiate between the different users

That wasn't actually the question.
The person was asking if Telstra offer static IPs on any of the plans they sell.

The answer: on their ADSL plans you can spend an extra $5/10 (I'm not sure) a month for a static IP. Cable connections don't allow static IP plans. I'm sure there are business plans with static IPs.

You're not very intelligent, are you?

Please keep personal insults out of this

In other words, TOR/I2P results in low speeds. Make sense now?

TOR/I2P will result in a different IP which will look nothing like Bigpond IP addresses, so if the OP is worried that bigpond is blocking him and he's using TOR/I2P (which im sure he isnt), Bigpond would have nothing to do with it

Well then what is your theory to explain the phenomenon the OP is describing? Magical elves slowing down torrents on his connection?

So the only way a torrent can go slow is that the tracker banned him (which by the way would result in NO downloading)
there are a number of reasons a torrent can go slow
Poor Seeders
Ratio of Leechers - Seeders
NAT

Nigga please, you started a (un)popular thread in P2P yourself, so don't go claiming moral superiority.

Im not claiming moral superiority, but people who say this is selfish/ripping them off are very hypocritical

Sacky writes...

TOR/I2P will result in a different IP which will look nothing like Bigpond IP addresses, so if the OP is worried that bigpond is blocking him and he's using TOR/I2P (which im sure he isnt), Bigpond would have nothing to do with it

Bigpond does have something to do with it, because he is a Bigpond subscriber he is forced to use I2P/TOR, which results in hideously low speeds.

So the only way a torrent can go slow is that the tracker banned him (which by the way would result in NO downloading)

That's crap, they could just slow it down to dial-up speeds. It's a perfectly acceptable method of getting rid of leechers. As somebody said, even the act of slowing down their download speed means that they're connected to the torrent for longer, resulting in them uploading more simply by being connected for longer.

Look, I find the idea of him getting low speeds while 'banned' a tad cryptic myself. But I prefer to think of reasons why this might be, rather than disregarding everything he's said on the grounds of it being impossible or similar.

GOLD

Its about time, since all cable users are LEECHERS

Sacky writes...

The OP is making the assumption that the tracker has "banned" his IP, but how can his IP be banned if he is downloading at 4kbps

He may have just been getting peers via DHT, etc.

Sacky writes...

Im not claiming moral superiority, but people who say this is selfish/ripping them off are very hypocritical

No, no, no.
There are two ways of looking at P2P:
"zomg free shit" and "taking the power and control of art and artistic expressions away from massive corporations and into the hands of the people and the community".
I'm not going to claim moral superiority by saying that I use P2P for any reason other than getting things for free which I would otherwise have to pay for, but I respect that this service has been provided to me by people paying a lot of money for no other reason than to service people like me, and the least I can do is contribute and help out.
I've been provided with access to music, television shows and movies which I would normally have to pay for/not be able to view at all because of the kindness of other people. Most trackers are not for profit, they cost the operators money to run.

Why do you think that the world owes you something, and you're entitled to download whatever you want for free and not even take simple steps to repaying the community which gave it to you?

Have some honour, have some dignity. People like you are nothing more than rats, feeding off the goodwill of others. It's people like me who upload hundreds of gigabytes a month that allow you to download stuff for free, so why are you so quick to say that what we do is pointless and not want to help?
You're quick to dismiss any idea of helping out a community which is based on thievery, but you're very eager indeed to download all the lastest music, tv shows and movies at no cost, aren't you? You'd be pissed off if there were no seeders for that latest episode of Lost, but you wouldn't seed it yourself.

Coolman mike writes...

He may have just been getting peers via DHT, etc.

That's a good explanation. Thanks.
It'd be good if the OP could clarify.

Sacky writes...
Maybe to the whirlpool community and a couple of other australian sites, but how many actual releases come from australia
im sure theres a couple but basically none worth mentioning, and no private tracker will go as far to block them, so the leechers are safe

Umm, beg to differ I am talking Bluetack not some hick Australian site. Can be easily spread to private sites as well, just an email away. :)

tommmeeee writes...

It's not like we're slowing you all down?

I'd be interested to know how you arrived at that conclusion. The bandwidth you are taking from seeds/peers could be going to someone who will give it back to the swarm. You take the bandwidth and give little to none back. How exactly is that not slowing us down?

Sacky writes...
the only people who care are australian bt users, and if u want to block us then fine block us, but it wont do any good to stop people leeching

Keep on saying that you might convince yourself, Bluetack isn't some hick Australian BT user, just a Google away from knowing.

LEGiON  writes...
I'd be interested to know how you arrived at that conclusion. The bandwidth you are taking from seeds/peers could be going to someone who will give it back to the swarm. You take the bandwidth and give little to none back. How exactly is that not slowing us down?

Why worry, just propagate the "Reaper list" and no more noisome Telstra and Optus leechers.

kako writes...
That's a good explanation. Thanks.
It'd be good if the OP could clarify.

Most private sites don't allow DHT. Stop worrying about the OP he knows exactly why he is getting kick banned, because he is a Telstra leech and his IP is being banned by most peers and seeds.

Muad'Dib writes...

Why worry, just propagate the "Reaper list" and no more noisome Telstra and Optus leechers.

Heh, I generally put Internodes free premium usenet service to use anyway, rather than torrents. Much faster and I don't need to upload anything :) Though on two private trackers I'm a member of, both are 1:1 or better ratios.

kako writes...

Bigpond does have something to do with it, because he is a Bigpond subscriber he is forced to use I2P/TOR, which results in hideously low speeds.

Which would have nothing to do with him being banned if he was using TOR/I2P instead of his normal Bigpond IP

kako writes...

Have some honour, have some dignity. People like you are nothing more than rats, feeding off the goodwill of others. It's people like me who upload hundreds of gigabytes a month that allow you to download stuff for free, so why are you so quick to say that what we do is pointless and not want to help?

im not saying that at all, i love uploaders, but i will be a leecher as long as im on a plan that counts uploads/downloads, and if u dont like get the blocklist and stop complaining

Sacky writes...
TOR/I2P will result in a different IP which will look nothing like Bigpond IP addresses, so if the OP is worried that bigpond is blocking him and he's using TOR/I2P (which im sure he isnt), Bigpond would have nothing to do with it

That's the idea keep on abusing TOR and the creator will just simply come up with a way to ban P2P, he doesn't want it to be used for illegal downloads and P2P.

Sacky writes...

Which would have nothing to do with him being banned if he was using TOR/I2P instead of his normal Bigpond IP

He started using TOR/I2P because he was getting banned because of his Bigpond IP.
God, I'm amazed at how long it's taking for you to absorb this.

I'm not saying that's the case, but it's one hypothesis. DHT makes sense as well.

and if u dont like get the blocklist and stop complaining

I did spend a painstaking half hour or so manually putting the Bigpond IPs into my blocklist, I'd like to do the same with Optus but it's just so painful.
It'd be a lot better if public trackers would just ban them to start with.

I'd love to just use my private tracker for everything, but content-wise it's not the greatest, so I do have to battle it out with the plebs every now and then on a public tracker. Simple things like banning Bigpond and Optus users would go some way to increasing the quality of these trackers.

Sacky writes...

well ive never heard of bluetack

well if I were you I would be worried :)

Bluetack is a site that offers global blocklists (that millions worldwide use), modified host files and many other security related programs and files. If your IP is on the global blocklist, which many tracker sites and clients use to filter, then you're going to find things rather difficult in days to come

Muad'Dib writes...

Most private sites don't allow DHT.

Mm, alot still dont check though. The ones I'm on dont.

It does make sense, I doubt he's smart enough to be doing something else

kako writes...

He started using TOR/I2P because he was getting banned because of his Bigpond IP.
God, I'm amazed at how long it's taking for you to absorb this.

You "assuming" he did this, and considering im the first person to post that alternative and the OP hasnt replied id be very surprised if he was using it, because if he was worryed about Bigpond getting banned and he WAS using this, it wouldnt make a difference whether he was on bigpond or not
God, I'm amazed at how long it's taking for you to absorb this

Sacky writes...

piratebay is where i go

[Insert popular public tracker here] is where I spend days racking up ratios beyond 1:20 (down:up) to still see a torrent stay at 3 seeders and 4564 leechers.

kako writes...

is where I spend days racking up ratios beyond 1:20 (down:up) to still see a torrent stay at 3 seeders and 4564 leechers.

It's sad that people think just because it's public they dont have to seed, it's equally as needed, if not more so, than private trackers - privates have dedicated seeders, which doesnt mean you dont need to but public need it as much!

Sacky writes...

You "assuming" he did this,

kako writes...

I'm not saying that's the case, but it's one hypothesis. DHT makes sense as well.

kako writes...

where I spend days racking up ratios beyond 1:20 (down:up) to still see a torrent stay at 3 seeders and 4564 leechers.

Public trackers are for chumps, for the reasons you stated above and more :)

I still use public quite a bit, searching for torrents, alot which refer back to semi-private trackers anyway.

I get good speeds regardless, usually.

Sacky writes...

If you dont like it dont go there, simple

I do like it there, but that's not to say I don't want to see it improved.
Imagine [X] with 100+kB/s downloads. Better than [X] with few torrents above 20kB/s downloads, no?
It's a pretty fair trade off; a few Bigpond users denied access for the sake of increasing the reliability and speed of the tracker overall.

Sacky writes...

i will be a leecher as long as im on a plan that counts uploads/downloads,

Everyone that has chosen BigPond knew the consequences, they've made their bed now they must sleep in it.

The fact of the matter is that if your not going to upload then don't bother downloading. Simple as that.

kako writes...
I did spend a painstaking half hour or so manually putting the Bigpond IPs into my blocklist, I'd like to do the same with Optus but it's just so painful.

Take the time, I did and got rewarded with better overall downloading, kickbanning both does wonders for the swarm.

Muad'Dib writes...

It is only effective on large swarms.

And not necessary if you are able to use private trackers.

Alex McKenzie writes...

And not necessary if you are able to use private trackers.

I use a mixture, including some trackers which are mixtures themselves.

Muad'Dib writes...

Take the time, I did and got rewarded with better overall downloading, kickbanning both does wonders for the swarm.

*Gawks*
It's longer than Telstra's... Gah.
I guess I'm not going to do anything I planned to do tonight anyway... Hehe yay, a night inputting IP ranges, fun.

Reaper, I wonder if you could do something similar with Dodo, Unwired, iBurst, etc.?
I mean, I know it must be a pain in the arse to do, but you seem to enjoy it and there's just as much reason to ban them as there is to ban Bigpond and Optusnet.

I have a somewhat strange question about the blocklist - how do we unable it without cutting off all communication with Bigpond users? For example, I have a little webserver that occasional Bigpond IPs will need access to.

I thought I could make it only active for my BitTorrent port, but outgoing connections with no doubt not come from the listening port.. Or are you guys just blocking Bigpond fullstop?

kako writes...
I guess I'm not going to do anything I planned to do tonight anyway... Hehe yay, a night inputting IP ranges, fun.


Easily fixed just use BlocklistManager, it does all the converting for you and you just import the Reaper solution to the lists. Takes all of twenty minutes.

Coolman mike writes...

I thought I could make it only active for my BitTorrent port, but outgoing connections with no doubt not come from the listening port..

In Azureus, there's a blocklist option.
Inputting IPs into this list will only block connections within torrents, not anything else.

If PeerProtector is blocking all connections, get rid of it and use SafePeer instead. Download it through the plug-in installation option within Azureus.

In the same vein... I wonder if I could just add the contents of www.bluetack.co.uk/config/spconfig.txt with the Bigpond and Optusnet lists, upload them to my webspace and add that URL to SafePeer's blocklist URL?
It'd be a lot easier to update a .txt file on my webspace with new Bluetack IP blocks every now and then than manually inputting every one of those IP ranges in the Optusnet list.

Muad'Dib writes...

Easily fixed just use BlocklistManager, it does all the converting for you and you just import the Reaper solution to the lists. Takes all of twenty minutes.

I use a Mac... Makes everything a bit hard in this respect.

i think you guys just have a beef with us because we're with the most hated isp in australia. i really dont think you care if others get 20k faster on their torrents. i was actually asking how to anonymize my ip to get past your system. not for a 6 page debate.

What I wanted to do was combine
www.bluetack.co.uk/config/spconfig.txt
www.users.on.net/~reaper82/bigpond.txt
www.users.on.net/~reaper82/optus.txt

However, upon inspecting spconfig.txt, I see it isn't all as neat as I would have liked.
...

Hrm, I see my problem, and perhaps why SafePeer hasn't been working as expected of late.
Inside spconfig.txt is a .zip file, yes? I download this, unzip it and find a .txt file with IP ranges like the ones Reaper has.
If I just combine that with bigpond.txt and optus.txt, SafePeer will recognise it and block them all?

tommmeeee writes...

i was actually asking how to anonymize my ip to get past your system. not for a 6 page debate.

Look, the thing about Whirlpool is that once a thread has run it's original course, it's usually free to evolve into something else. Related, yes, but not so much answering the original poster's question.

Combined BlueTack, Optus and Bigpond block lists:
users.on.net/~Paris_71/splist.txt
I'll update it regularly (with BlueTack), for my sake as much as anybody elses.

tommmeeee writes...

i think you guys just have a beef with us because we're with the most hated isp in australia. i really dont think you care if others get 20k faster on their torrents. i was actually asking how to anonymize my ip to get past your system. not for a 6 page debate.

It's nothing do with how hated your isp is. You wouldn't keep inviting people to your house, if everytime they came over they ate all your food and pissed off. BT works by sharing, if you aren't/can't/don't want to share use some other method.

I also find the e-penis 20:1 people funny. By definition the overall average is 1:1, by doing crazy ratio's like 20-30:1 they are actually making it even harder for others to make a 1:1 ratio. If you have a 5 person swarm, and one person does 3:1, the other 4 can only get .5:1. In some sense this is perpetuating the problem. If the torrents starting dying early if people didn't share, then people might get the message. But since there's a small group of bt martyrs, they actually make it easier for the leechers.

The other thing is, BT was supposedly designed to partly force reciprocation. It's supposed to be an optimisation problem based on the prisoners dilemma problem. The problem is, the implementation is the clients sucks if people are able to get 0.1:1 . The onus is on the implementation of each client to not keep giving data to the leechers. And partly it's a flaw in bt itself that it relies on self-reporting to some extent.

At the end of the day, most people are selfish. A protocol that relies on the kindness of strangers is broken. If you want reciprocation, you have to enforce it.

Fire Dog writes...

by doing crazy ratio's like 20-30:1 they are actually making it even harder for others to make a 1:1 ratio.

I see this effect on private trackers, however on huge public trackers this really isn't the case. I can upload at 50mbit until the cows come home, but there will still be an oversupply of leechers and not enough seeders.
In private trackers it is hard at first to get a good ratio, as a lot of people upload selfishly. My ratio on my private tracker is 2.3, which I think allows for people to have a fair chance at uploading themselves, but gives me a good speed/reputation at the same time.

At the end of the day, most people are selfish. A protocol that relies on the kindness of strangers is broken. If you want reciprocation, you have to enforce it.

Well huge public trackers still work, so I find your conclusion rather oversimplistic.

Kako you might want to remove this entry

Consiglio :192.167.224.0-192.168.255.255

It blocks LAN traffic which is kinda necessary :)

kako writes...
It'd be a lot easier to update a .txt file on my webspace with new Bluetack IP blocks every now and then than manually inputting every one of those IP ranges in the Optusnet list.

Easier still using BlocklistManager, all automated.

tommmeeee writes...
i think you guys just have a beef with us because we're with the most hated isp in australia. i really dont think you care if others get 20k faster on their torrents. i was actually asking how to anonymize my ip to get past your system. not for a 6 page debate.

To which we replied and then gave you the answer and other further reasons for your crap download.

Fire Dog writes...

It's nothing do with how hated your isp is. You wouldn't keep inviting people to your house, if everytime they came over they ate all your food and pissed off. BT works by sharing, if you aren't/can't/don't want to share use some other method.

Or we could just continue leeching....

At the end of the day, most people are selfish. A protocol that relies on the kindness of strangers is broken. If you want reciprocation, you have to enforce it.

I find people who say leechers are selfish quite hypocritical, when people are indeed downloading copyright material so they dont have to pay for it

Wabo writes...

The fact of the matter is that if your not going to upload then don't bother downloading. Simple as that.

Its not as simple as that at all, im not sure if your familiar with leeching but leeching is all about downloading something without uploading something, i usually get 20-40kbps with a very low share ratio on most private trackers, so it seems to be working for me

tommmeeee writes...

i think you guys just have a beef with us because we're with the most hated isp in australia. i really dont think you care if others get 20k faster on their torrents. i was actually asking how to anonymize my ip to get past your system. not for a 6 page debate.

The reason they hate us is because it actually costs us to upload, so we dont do it, its easy to be against leechers when you get unlimited uploads, and if any of these people were faced with paying for the uploads they wouldnt do it either
But to answer your question
TOR Plugin for azureus
I2P Plugin for azureus
Or use a Proxy

Sacky writes...

Or we could just continue leeching..

Absolutely, i'm just saying people shouldn't be suprised when people make efforts no matter how innefective to stop people leeching off them.

The reason they hate us is because it actually costs us to upload, so we dont do it, its easy to be against leechers when you get unlimited uploads, and if any of these people were faced with paying for the uploads they wouldnt do it either

That's the thing... it's in your best interests not to upload, and you'll do whatever you need to to avoid uploading and still be able to download. But, on the other hand, it's in everyone elses best interests to stop you leeching.

It's not a matter of "if they were in my situation, they'd do the same"... because they probably would... but the reverse is true too... if you were in the situation where people were taking from you and never giving back, you'd try and stop them too... after all by stopping people leeching from you, it's not to punish the leecher, so much as it is to benefit everyone else.