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Hi, I'm new here.

Is it illegal to donwload moives and songs by P2P?

If yes, what will happen to me?

thx^^

wayne0754 writes...

Hi, I'm new here.

So I'll let you off for posting in the wrong forum

Is it illegal to donwload moives and songs by P2P?

Yes

If yes, what will happen to me?

Probably not much

wayne0754 writes...

Is it illegal to donwload moives and songs by P2P?

yes

what will happen to me?

if court (spelling?) a large fine and possible jail time. also a criminal record as well.

depending on your isp, some will just cance your broadband connection if their are a few acuations that you are d/l these items. (do not go to court)

greenhawk writes...

if court (spelling?)

Caught.

And yes - it is illegal.

greenhawk writes...

depending on your isp, some will just cance your broadband connection if their are a few acuations that you are d/l these items. (do not go to court)

I will use eXeTel (in Sydney). Will this ISP send me to the court or just cance my broadband?

And how much is the fine? $500? or more than $500???

thx.

Is it illegal to donwload moives and songs by P2P?

No ! the act of downloading isn't illegal via P2P or any other method. The illegal part is when the movie or song you download is copyrighted. And that's the case 99.99999% of the time.

I've seen some home movies you can download that are not copyrighted so nothing illegal there. Just not much fun watching someone else's 21st birthday party or similar.

wayne0754 writes...

I will use eXeTel (in Sydney). Will this ISP send me to the court or just cance my broadband?

LOL
Seriously.
Advertising that you are GOING to be downloading illegal content and what ISP you WILL be on - is not the way to go about securing your connection with a particular ISP.

okay here is an example comparison of downloading movies using p2p and driving your car:

if you download 1 movie - equivalent to changing lanes without indicating

a couple of movies a week - like going through a redlight you might get caught and the consequences are about the same

up to 5-10 movies/tv shows a week - like speeding - doing 130km/h in a 100km zone.

more than 10 movies/shows/programs a week - driving without a seatbelt and going through redlights.

more than 20 and giving copies to your friends - speeding 30km/h over the limit whilst drunk.

more than 20-50 and selling copies at markets etc. - hit and run - if caught you'll go to prison.

the only difference in my analogies is that if you do some of those things in your car you are risking your life.

anyone care to expand or offer their version?

wayne0754 writes...

I will use eXeTel

pretty sure if is three stricks and you are out with exetel (I am with them).

if they receive three emails saying your IP address has been downloading illegal files, they will terminate your connectection, leaving you with any fees for early contract cancellation.

wayne0754 writes...

And how much is the fine?

I have not see any information about files here in Australia, but the US ones appear to be in the few to several thousand.

given the exchange rate, that is about 3,000 to 10,000 Australian.

It is illegal to download anything that is copyright, movies, songs, etc without permission from the copyright holder.

It looks very serious... - -~

So what can I download from P2P?????

By the way, How can they konw I have downloaded that?

wayne0754 writes...

So what can I download from P2P?????

You can download stuff that is not copyright or available for free distribution. Normally this doesn't include the latest movies and things like that.

By the way, How can they konw I have downloaded that?

Bittorrent clients always report to the tracker and with public trackers anyone can request a list of users (seeders and leechers) from the tracker. Normally your computer will then use that list to contact others in order to download the content you are after.

The authorities can also use this list to see who is downloading and sharing that file.

Umm, Is it easily to be cought? Beause Oz is so big........

wayne0754 writes...

Umm, Is it easily to be cought? Beause Oz is so big........

If they have your IP address they can contact the ISP and request your details or sometimes just get your ISP to forward the letter to you.

All things with copyright is illegal to download? Even though it's Japanese, Chineses and other non-English language?

wayne0754 writes...

All things with copyright is illegal to download? Even though it's Japanese, Chineses and other non-English language?

It is copyright, that means it cannot be copied without the copyright holders permission.

It doesn't matter what language it is in or what it is, it is still violating their copyright and they then have the right to sue you.

The copyright owner will sue me? Or the government?

wayne0754 writes...

The copyright owner will sue me? Or the government?

With copyright infringements it is up to the copyright owner to sue you for damages. The police and government doesn't normally get involved.

U will so be sued!!!! Whirlpool admins log his ip.

But the copyright owner didn't konw I have downloaded that..

And if they didn't sue me, that will be ok????? or still illegal?

.

wayne0754 writes...

or still illegal?

Wayne

How many times must this be said

Downloading COPYRIGHTED information IS ILLEGAL!
Wether or not you are caught.

If you shot someone and didn't get caught. Does that make you a murderer? Yes.

Same situation here.

I also suggest you read up on this

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P2p

Then come back to us with more silly questions that anyone with common sense would know the answer too.

_{edit: Soz - I thawt I hit edit}

Umm..sorry....sorry...I've just arrived 3 weeks and I know nothing....

I'll see that page... thx^^

wayne0754 writes...

I've just arrived 3 weeks

Arrived where from?

It should be noted, that downloading copyrighted material is illegal. So is selling material you are not authorised to sell.

EDIT:
Sure - you can do it if you want.
Just make sure you google around for information on using P2P before you start. So you are aware of what you should/shouldn't do and so forth.

Mister Ed writes...

It is illegal to download anything that is copyright, movies, songs, etc without permission from the copyright holder.

No, it is NOT illegal to download them. But it is illegal to watch or listen to them.

US laws do not apply here. Fines are different over here than it is in the states. If you download movies and your ISP is told about it, chances are they will do nothing about it. However, if it happens continuously, your account will be suspended, not cancelled (Otherwise, I'd download shitloads of movies to get my bigpond contract cancelled)

It's illegal to download movies as stated by the law, but not many people cared so much about it unlike MPAA in America @ Austraila.

wohoo writes...

It's illegal to download movies as stated by the law

Can you please point to that law?

From what has been discussed both on these boards and in law circles, unless what is downloaded is watched or listened to, it's not illegal. Though one begs the question, why would you download them then? :-p

Thresh writes...

From what has been discussed both on these boards and in law circles, unless what is downloaded is watched or listened to, it's not illegal.

I don't think that you can rely on that. Is owning kiddie porn legal as long as you don't open it or view it?

I really wish people knew what they were telling you... /c:

wayne0754 writes...

Hi, I'm new here.

Welcome!

Is it illegal to donwload moives and songs by P2P?

No.

Is it illegal to download licensed/copyright material via P2P - yes.

There's plenty of stuff you can get legally via P2P.

If yes, what will happen to me?

If you're looking at doing what we're not supposed to, then we can't really comment much - as we'll be muted (WP has to protect itself, only fair). People in power have said almost word for word "we're not interested in charging people, we're after the ISP".

It's all "what-if's"... And a choice that each person has to make for themselves.

The number of people doing it would shock the pants of you - but so would the number things you do in everyday life already, when you realise it's not legal either.

What will happen?

IF you were singled-out of the millions of people doing it, and IF it went past a first/final warning you MIGHT get, then you could either A: Get kicked from your ISP (often with the option to churn/leave within a short period of time, like 1week). B: Be reported to the powers-above (who MIGHT look into your actions) C: Your ISP is already monitored by the men in black, and everyone's gonna get looked-into...

Bottom-line:
What's really gonna happen - Nowt.

People will scoff at that answer, but won't be able to show a real factor of how many people finish-up in the sh*t.

Having the opportunity to see it from both sides of the fence, and knowing how miserable the scare-tactics really are - you'll see that it's a impossible fight.

Is the whole scene wrong - No.
Do many take what they shouldn't - Yes.
Is it a hard crime - No.
Will you ever be punished - 1 in 10,000,000 chance of Community Service

I don't promote illegal acts at all, but I don't like BS either. FFS, tell it how it is /c:

Mister Ed writes...

Is owning kiddie porn legal as long as you don't open it or view it?

That's different. I'm sure kiddy porn would have no copyright owner.

EDIT: I'm not gonna talk about kiddy porn at all anymore, even if the discussion is continued. Even talking on the legality of possessing it makes me feel sick :-p

wayne0754 writes...

Even though it's Japanese, Chineses and other non-English language?

language does not matter, may still eb copyrighted.

the other size of this is that copyright is normally only relivant in one country / similar language speaking countries.

their are some shops from japan that are copyrighted but the producers allow it to be spread to other countries besides japan and do not enforce the copyright issues until the US or other english speaking country pays for the rights to broad cast the show. once those broadcast rights are paid for, then the company start to enforce their copyright on people.

Klient writes...

So is selling material you are not authorised to sell

that will get the notice of people far faster than nearly any other method.

Thresh writes...

That's different. I'm sure kiddy porn would have no copyright owner.

By definition, the creator of the work has copyright over it. The owner can licence various conditions to other parties but can never truly transfer copyright.

Though it's sick, the photographer of the kiddie porn is the copyright owner.

Mister Ed writes...

It is illegal to download anything that is copyright, movies, songs, etc without permission from the copyright holder.

You're mixing things up here.

It's perfectly legal to download copyrighted freeware/shareware or trial software. The use of such software is governed by the software license agreement.

The same applies to movie & song demos as well as free independant releases. The license is the key that determines how one can use the copyrighted content.

Bitrate writes...

It's perfectly legal to download copyrighted freeware/shareware or trial software. The use of such software is governed by the software license agreement.

Yes, in this case you have the permission of the copyright holder. The software license agreement or distribution rights specify what is allowed and what isn't. This is the copyright holder giving you permission.

Mister Ed writes...

The police and government doesn't normally get involved.

Just on this, the police will usually be involved to the extent that an ISP will not release your details to a third party unless as part of a police investigation or otherwise subpoenaed.

In other words, the RIAA won't get your details by asking Exetel who was using a particular IP address at a particular time. If Exetel released those details on that basis my understanding is they would be in breach of privacy legislation.

Bottom line is download what you want ..you will only get into strife if you are caught selling it by advertising it in trading post etc..whether it be games,movies etc..however as we all know kiddie porn is a whole new ball game..

wayne0754 writes...

Is it illegal to donwload moives and songs by P2P?]

yes.

[If yes, what will happen to me?

well.. you will get fined a lot of money and go to jail. but sometimes, if you're lucky the p2p program (ie. limewire, kazza ect.) might get in trouble instead, depending of stuff such as no proof of you downloading illegal stuff.

Johno69 writes...

Just not much fun watching someone else's 21st birthday party or similar.

I beg to differ on this, I've seen a few wild 21st's in my time.

Bring on the tequila and whipped cream!

Don't download - it's bad. Upload as much as you can!

footedchicken writes...

Don't download - it's bad. Upload as much as you can!

? Wha? It's 10x worse...

Take 1 pill - see what the cops do.
Distribute - then see what happens.

It's one thing to take illegal software, but to pass it on to another 1, 10, 100... That's made the problem much worse - for yourself, and for the industry!

Wanderlei Silva writes...

? Wha? It's 10x worse...

4000+ Posts and you miss the sarcasm? This whole thread seems a bit bogus, as was my answer.

Have a quick release hdd as well as a back exit, if the RIAA or MPAA or whatever come knocking...run!!

wayne0754 writes...

Is it illegal to donwload moives and songs by P2P?


only if you are breaching copyright.
there are some public domain movies (B&W!)
www.archive.org for example

MiKaD writes...

Have a quick release hdd as well as a back exit, if the RIAA or MPAA or whatever come knocking...run!!

To bad if you have several hhd's networked across various areas of your flat that the only other way out is falling off a balcony.

footedchicken writes...

4000+ Posts and you miss the sarcasm?

4300+ posts knows that forum-text with sarcasm needs italics, a Pfft... or two &/or a /Rolls-eyes - otherwise it's left to chance, and only some will read it correctly. (c:

Please don't forget, there are a ton on numbnuts here - so while some are joking about something stupid, many actually think/agree )c:

This whole thread seems a bit bogus, as was my answer.

Ya reckon? What's bogus about it?

MiKaD writes...

Have a quick release hdd as well as a back exit,

Or a Windows PC (c;

if the RIAA or MPAA or whatever come knocking...

Do nothing - Windows has probably already shat itself 3 times (c: LOL!

bleckers writes...

To bad if you have several hhd's networked across various areas of your flat

That's the beauty - they take your PC and everything around it - meanwhile, your HDD with all the goodies on them are elsewhere (c;

Discussing legal stuff of-course dc:

Wanderlei Silva writes...

Or a Windows PC (c;

Do nothing - Windows has probably already shat itself 3 times (c: LOL!


That's too true to be cynical