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User #36775   21848 posts
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I stumbled across an online article last night, and I realised that almost the entire second half of it was an exact - word-for-word - copy of a story which Whirlpool had already published.

The article is here* and the Whirlpool story they've [seemingly] ripped off is here.

I'll let all of you be the judges!

*[You can use BugMeNot if you don't want to register your own account]

posted 2005-Dec-8, 12pm AEST
User #49019   11965 posts
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Maybe "David Richards" is a pen-name* for Martin Sinclair?

*does that still apply in this keyboard dominated age?

Cheers.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 12pm AEST
User #40942   20330 posts
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AlexErko writes...

*does that still apply in this keyboard dominated age?

Sure does.

And the non-WP article was posted allot later then the WP article which suggests they plagiarised...

EDIT: Login for the site is:
username: noneofyourbusiness@i.com
PW: abcde

Courteosy of bugmenot.com

EDIT: Further digging reveals:

Registrant ROID: C2532396-AR
Registrant Contact Name: David Richards
Registrant Email: ***@4squaremedia.com

So the site owner is the plageriser

posted 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
edited 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
User #49019   11965 posts
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Hellman, your post might be jumping the gun. Have you asked Martin Sinclair if it is actually plagiarism?

Cheers.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
edited 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
User #40586   19031 posts
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It should be noted for those who don't read the article that the first half of the article appears to be non-WP content (perhaps original) but the 2nd half is a direct cut and paste, minus formatting and URL's as the WP article in the OP.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
User #90910   4413 posts
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JustSomeGuy writes...

I'll let all of you be the judges!

Guilty as charged!
It's word for word for christs sake, very poor form indeed.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
User #36775   21848 posts
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≤ Thor ≥ writes...

It should be noted for those who don't read the article that the first half of the article appears to be non-WP content (perhaps original) but the 2nd half is a direct cut and paste.

Yes, it starts from the line:

"iiNet is also set to resume regional ADSL signups "within the next few days", but at one third the speed of metro customers. '

posted 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
edited 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
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Happo writes...

Guilty as charged!

Not if Martin Sinclair OK'ed its use. Even if he did OK it, the text has not been attributed to Martin which would be bad form, but not plagiarism per se IMO.

Cheers.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
edited 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
User #2837   2004 posts
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I don't know the guy, nor did I ever give him the permission....

posted 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
User #78271   4449 posts
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Martin Sinclair writes...
I don't know the guy, nor did I ever give him the permission....

Well, it looks like there'll be a need to get in touch...

posted 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
User #449   27683 posts
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AlexErko writes...

Even if he did OK it, the text has not been attributed to Martin which would be bad form, but not plagiarism per se IMO.

Without attribution it is still plagiarism, as he is claiming it as his own work - whether or not permission was sought.

C.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
User #90910   4413 posts
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Martin Sinclair writes...

I don't know the guy, nor did I ever give him the permission....

Oh dear. I get the feeling you're about to get acquainted however...

Sharp find JSG.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
User #38306   22384 posts
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Martin Sinclair writes...

I don't know the guy, nor did I ever give him the permission....

Good to know... well, this will be interesting to keep track of :)

posted 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
User #40586   19031 posts
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sir-fart-a-lot writes...

Well, it looks like there'll be a need to get in touch...

Indeed.

From www.digitalhomeworld.com.au/ContactUs

CEO & Editorial Director
David Richards


It seems upon Googling he is listed as the editor of a few sites/magazines.

www.google.com/search?q=...en-US:unofficial

Corey writes...

Without attribution it is still plagiarism, as he is claiming it as his own work - whether or not permission was sought.

Precisely Corey.

That is something all University students should be very aware of also, and it is something my University and Faculty have made students acutely aware of over the years and rightly so. Bad habits in University can breed actions like this in ones career.

Edit:
My younger brothers High School is now expecting proper referencing according to a standard they have developed and penalising students if they don't have adequate and complete referencing for assignments to the defined standard, which I think is a great idea.

Much better students learn the correct practices early, than suffer potentially much harsher penalties in the future.

Edit 2: Removed Details

posted 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
edited 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
User #40508   22575 posts
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Great spot JSG...

Pretty much looks like a Cut'n'Paste job to me.

From the 7th paragraph onwards, it's basically verbatim of Martin's article ;)

posted 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
edited 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
User #63699   11765 posts
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Tut tut. Well spotted JSG :)

posted 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
User #83532   568 posts
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A quick trip to here:
www.usq.edu.au/library/i...arvardonline.htm
....and some basic referencing at the end of the article and all would have been kosher, too hard for the plagiarist apparently!

posted 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
User #40942   20330 posts
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≤ Thor ≥ writes...



That is something all University students should be very aware of also, and it is something my University and Faculty have made students acutely aware of over the years and rightly so. Bad habits in University can breed actions like this in ones career.


I know of a number of large universities that have access to VERY large databases that basically read their assignment, and check it against millions of references, and checks back any hit or very close hits.

Ofcourse if the materiel is referenced correctly then the student has no problems... but if they claim it as their own, they are in for an ass kicking

My younger brothers High School is now expecting proper referencing according to a standard they have developed and penalising students if they don't have adequate and complete referencing for assignments to the defined standard, which I think is a great idea.

I had this aswell, but only for some subjects, English, Ancient History and Biology mainly.

Much better students learn the correct practices early, than suffer potentially much harsher penalties in the future.

Agreed there, I want from slap dash referencing (name and book at the end of the quote) to proper referencing and it was quite a hard move even in Grade 10, attribution of articles to their owners is a very important thing though IMO, even if it doesnt have much impact on how I operate today.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
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Corey writes...

Without attribution it is still plagiarism, as he is claiming it as his own work - whether or not permission was sought.

You are correct of course. If the truth be told I was too intent on slowing down Hellman and getting him to let Martin know what was going on before he and others started storming the barricades.

Cheers.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
User #40586   19031 posts
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Hellman109 writes...

I know of a number of large universities that have access to VERY large databases that basically read their assignment

My University would be one of them. They often ask for a hardcopy of assignments to allow markers to more easily give comments and for portability, but also for an eletronic copy for the reasons you give above.

but if they claim it as their own, they are in for an ass kicking

Academic Misconduct. Minimum Penalty is Zero marks for the subject at my University.

I had this aswell, but only for some subjects, English, Ancient History and Biology mainly.

It was never enforced as tightly when I went through (I went to the same school as my brother), but a few of my teachers pushed me into doing Harvard Referencing to get into the habits for University and to make my assignments look that much better, despite the fact they wouldn't penalise me as I had all content referenced, just not to a structured form.

to proper referencing and it was quite a hard move even in Grade 10

Happened to me more in Year 11 and 12. But I'm glad it did, as incidentally I use the same referencing system at University, saved me time learning it.

attribution of articles to their owners is a very important thing though IMO, even if it doesnt have much impact on how I operate today.

Very true. It shows respect for others work (and hence others respect your work) and also can better identify the ways you have collated, analysed and interpreted hence increased the value of such information by creating knowledge that is useful in circumstances besides the assignment, even it is paraphrase your own findings on a forum to back up an argument.

Edit: Spelling

posted 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
edited 2005-Dec-8, 1pm AEST
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Hellman109 writes...

I know of a number of large universities that have access to VERY large databases that basically read their assignment, and check it against millions of references, and checks back any hit or very close hits.

This would most likely be the Turn It In system.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 2pm AEST
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≤ Thor ≥ writes...

It seems upon Googling he is listed as the editor of a few sites/magazines.


Maybe he's another of Gareth Powell's friends.

However, there's very little you can actually do about it. Plagiarism isn't illegal.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 2pm AEST
User #40586   19031 posts
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s-m writes...

Plagiarism isn't illegal.

True, but people should be made aware of it if reading articles from those who plagiarise in the future and regard the articles accordingly.

The point of stating what you quoted from me that he should know better and isn't a student or non-professional writing an article, but ironically a CEO & Editorial Director.

That is the type of person who should oversee staff to ensure they don't follow unethical or illegal practices and lead by example.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 2pm AEST
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≤ Thor ≥ writes...

The point of stating what you quoted from me that he should know better and isn't a student or non-professional writing an article, but ironically a CEO & Editorial Director.

That is the type of person who should oversee staff to ensure they don't follow unethical or illegal practices and lead by example.


That is just a title, doesn't really have all that much meaning. These sorts of sites are often ran by a one person company who can give themselves whatever title they want.

They don't really need much in the way of qualifications and often think that people won't notice when they do things like this.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 2pm AEST
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Mister Ed writes...

often think that people won't notice when they do things like this.

i think he picked a baaaad site to "borrow" from

i've noticed there seem to be a few fairly switched on people round these parts :)

posted 2005-Dec-8, 2pm AEST
User #40586   19031 posts
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Mister Ed writes...

That is just a title, doesn't really have all that much meaning. These sorts of sites are often ran by a one person company who can give themselves whatever title they want.

Agreed. The link I made earlier had 4 contacts would imply that is perhaps the case. However he is the most Senior person referenced in the linked page.

and often think that people won't notice when they do things like this.

Which is why we need to make a bit of a noise when we find otherwise.

With a bit of luck the person in question may be sufficently embarassed by this if he hears about it not to do it again, probably not, but there is always hope.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 2pm AEST
User #40942   20330 posts
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s-m writes...

However, there's very little you can actually do about it. Plagiarism isn't illegal.

Ill reprint authors books and say they are my work and sell them as such.

I mean... it isnt illegal... is it...

posted 2005-Dec-8, 2pm AEST
User #3761   22254 posts
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Well, it depends on whether you classify theft of someone else's intellectual property, and breach of copyright, as an illegal action or not.

Because that's what plagiarism is ... theft.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 2pm AEST
User #40586   19031 posts
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The Librarian writes...

Because that's what plagiarism is ... theft.

Agreed. Unlike goods it also devalues the original item to an extent in some cases.

On that ground is there anything you can do about it if one really wanted to, Librarian (Or anyone else knowledgeable about such things)?

posted 2005-Dec-8, 3pm AEST
User #10190   3079 posts
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Go get'em Marty!!

posted 2005-Dec-8, 3pm AEST
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≤ Thor ≥ writes...

On that ground is there anything you can do about it if one really wanted to, Librarian (Or anyone else knowledgeable about such things)?

They will need to contact the other site and inform them that they are in breach of copyright. This can either be done by Phil or Simon (as operators of this site) or by Martin (author of the article). This sort of notice should come with a deadline for removal.

The site then needs to either remove the article by the deadline or they can ignore the request and then it is back to Whirlpool. They can either pursue legal action or do nothing and let it slide. Legal action will cost money and Whirlpool will need to decide if it is worth pursuing.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 3pm AEST
edited 2005-Dec-8, 3pm AEST
User #3761   22254 posts
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The usual recourse - contact the author and let them know you're aware of the issue, suggest a responsible course of action (add citation and put blocks of unmodified quoted text in quotation marks), and - in the case of repeat offenders who don't respond to polite requests to cease and desist - inform others in the area in the hope peer and/or external pressure may have an effect.

Which is what, I believe, Martin is doing :)

posted 2005-Dec-8, 3pm AEST
User #40586   19031 posts
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The Librarian writes...

Which is what, I believe, Martin is doing :)

Thanks for that, I suspected that may be the case, but I couldn't find anything concrete to back that hunch up, so I waited for the calvary so to speak.

Lets hope it is resolved without too much fuss :-)

Speaks volumes for WP as a news source though, that others would wish to copy it.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 4pm AEST
User #18686   1691 posts
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Well, should we all email him and tell him how naughty he was? Or is that a bit too immature? I remember a similar episode on maddox a while back. The plaguriser ended up being VERY sorry for it.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 4pm AEST
User #40586   19031 posts
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iGGY writes...

Well, should we all email him and tell him how naughty he was?

I am personally holding off making any response, besides this thread naturally, until we see how Martin goes with the situation.

After that I may e-mail him, if I felt the resolution wasn't acceptable to me.

Spamming him would not be acceptable however, I think that would degrade the image of Whirlpools users as a whole.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 4pm AEST
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≤ Thor ≥ writes...

Spamming him would not be acceptable however, I think that would degrade the image of Whirlpools users as a whole.

I am sure a few professionally worded critical emails would go a long way.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 4pm AEST
User #40942   20330 posts
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iGGY writes...

I am sure a few professionally worded critical emails would go a long way.

... which would come from Simon, Phil or the Author himself, not regular users

posted 2005-Dec-8, 4pm AEST
User #18686   1691 posts
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Alrighty then ;))

posted 2005-Dec-8, 4pm AEST
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iGGY writes...

Well, should we all email him and tell him how naughty he was?

Let's not bring it down to that level shall we.... I hope no one is childish enough to go on their own campaign against this guy, it will bring down the opinion of Whirlpool users as a whole. Leave it to the people actually involved here, please. :)

posted 2005-Dec-8, 4pm AEST
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Hellman109 writes...

... which would come from Simon, Phil or the Author himself, not regular users

Barricade storming by the sans-culottes would not be apposite and perhaps even counter-productive eh?

Cheers.

posted 2005-Dec-8, 4pm AEST
User #57   15856 posts
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How about a front page story on plagiarism of online sites, citing this case as an example? I bet he won't try and plagiarise that one. :)

posted 2005-Dec-8, 4pm AEST
User #47676   10593 posts
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Well his (American) spell-checker did change 'centre' to 'center'. :)

posted 2005-Dec-8, 6pm AEST
User #40942   20330 posts
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Dodgy Tone writes...

Well his (American) spell-checker did change 'centre' to 'center'. :)

Haha that makes it all the funnier....

posted 2005-Dec-8, 6pm AEST
User #99389   1238 posts
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lol

posted 2005-Dec-8, 11pm AEST
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Hellman109 writes...

know of a number of large universities that have access to VERY large databases that basically read their assignment, and check it against millions of references, and checks back any hit or very close hits.


We are implementing Turn-it-in on our elearning suite ...... that checks a global database.

posted 2005-Dec-9, 6am AEST
User #26986   21164 posts
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Dodgy Tone writes...

Well his (American) spell-checker did change 'centre' to 'center'.

"That'll get those pesky kids off my trail."

posted 2005-Dec-9, 7am AEST
User #97652   248 posts
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≤ Thor ≥ writes...

True, but people should be made aware of it if reading articles from those who plagiarise in the future and regard the articles accordingly.

That's what Media Watch is there for.

The point of stating what you quoted from me that he should know better and isn't a student or non-professional writing an article, but ironically a CEO & Editorial Director.

"On the Internet nobody knows you're a dog."

posted 2005-Dec-9, 8am AEST
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Hellman109 writes...

Ill reprint authors books and say they are my work and sell them as such.

Do the original authors still hold copyright?

In some ways, it reminds me of the lawsuits that were raised against Alex Haley when Roots was published.

posted 2005-Dec-9, 8am AEST
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s-m writes...

it reminds me of the lawsuits that were raised against Alex Haley when Roots was published.

Haley plagarised Roots?

posted 2005-Dec-9, 10am AEST
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Clark Kent writes...

Haley plagarised Roots?

According to Google, yes.
www.google.com.au/search...ed+Roots&spell=1

:P

posted 2005-Dec-9, 10am AEST
User #43325   500 posts
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so has there been any news on the results of any action taken?

posted 2005-Dec-14, 1am AEST
User #28822   8182 posts
In the penalty box

Should get A current affair and Today Tonight to a story on this :/

posted 2005-Dec-14, 4am AEST
User #70273   7592 posts
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Would Martin Sinclair be so concerned about a reporter who was unable to write his own editorial copying his? if some in here have noticed it then I an sure many more people would have.

Any way only goes to show the other reporter is not so good at what he does if he needs to steal part of anothers story, maybe he had a deadline to beat and decided it was faster to steal anothers words.

posted 2005-Dec-14, 6am AEST
User #3761   22254 posts
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Would Martin Sinclair be so concerned about a reporter who was unable to write his own editorial copying his? if some in here have noticed it then I an sure many more people would have.

It's not the sort of behaviour you can let people writing for the general public to get away with. It is against the law, for a start, and it devalues your own writing. History is littered with examples of people who wrote/created fabulous things which they were unable or unwilling to prevent then being used by someone else, and sinking into obscurity as a result while the thief got rich or respected on someone else's work.

It's interesting, actually - the 'net makes it easier to snaffle someone else's words, but Google makes it easier to find the original version as well and hit the plagiarist.

posted 2005-Dec-14, 7am AEST
User #108   787 posts
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I can't believe the article is still posted without modifications indicating the source. Has the guy been contacted yet?

posted 2005-Dec-14, 9am AEST
User #89036   1669 posts
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Russell writes...

I can't believe the article is still posted without modifications indicating the source. Has the guy been contacted yet?

There is not a lot you can do except rage against the machine.

If the guy doesnt want to remove it and gives you the finger, then you have to make a decision if you want to spend the time and money to follow it through.

posted 2005-Dec-14, 9am AEST
User #20140   890 posts
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This is disappointing.

4square media also produce Smarthouse magazine, which is a magazine that occasionally showcases some of our products. The credibility of this publication, has just diminished.

posted 2005-Dec-14, 10am AEST
User #78271   4449 posts
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≤ Thor ≥ writes...
It should be noted for those who don't read the article that the first half of the article appears to be non-WP content (perhaps original)

The 1st half could have been a cut & paste from a similar story that was linked to by WP.

posted 2005-Dec-14, 10am AEST
User #36775   21848 posts
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sir-fart-a-lot writes...

The 1st half could have been a cut & paste from a similar story that was linked to by WP.

I tried some searching, but I couldn't find anything which matched the first half of the article. I think that's probably 'genuine' ...

posted 2005-Dec-14, 10am AEST
User #44484   6851 posts
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I see this done all the time. When I am googling for somehting, I always end up reading 2 or 3 articles that are identical. It is quite bad really. I hope Whirlpool takes some sort of action against this guy.

Adrian

posted 2005-Dec-14, 11am AEST
User #23348   4322 posts
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That is very well picked up indeed.

posted 2005-Dec-14, 11am AEST
User #23288   4547 posts
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Clark Kent writes...

There is not a lot you can do except rage against the machine.

How about reporting it to his boss, so that he can own and fire his ass. This guy clearly doesn't deserve the right to be writing articles.

posted 2005-Dec-14, 1pm AEST
User #73238   8517 posts
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Suspect that he is his own boss.

posted 2005-Dec-14, 1pm AEST
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dereq writes...

Suspect that he is his own boss.

wouldn't that put him at even higher risk?

This guy is just taking advantage of the fact that he knows that Whirlpool doesn't have the funds nor time to pursue this. Quite sad really.

posted 2005-Dec-14, 1pm AEST
User #73238   8517 posts
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BillyB writes...

wouldn't that put him at even higher risk?

Not in terms of getting fired.

posted 2005-Dec-14, 3pm AEST
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BillyB writes...

This guy is just taking advantage of the fact that he knows that Whirlpool doesn't have the funds nor time to pursue this. Quite sad really.

It's common among journos, academics, novelists and politicians (some of whom have been silly enough to use a speechwriter who lifts bleeding chunks of another polly's speech n doesnt expect to get caught) ... Alex Haley, Martin Luther King, HG Wells, Gail Sheehy, Joe McGinniss ...

Some nice examples at www.caslon.com.au/plagiarismnote.htm. Cases where people simply changed the author's name on dissertations and short stories - or where they were caught red handed and then blamed the computer for magically removing all the quotation marks and the footnotes - are a hoot

posted 2005-Dec-14, 5pm AEST
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Adrian C writes...

When I am googling for somehting, I always end up reading 2 or 3 articles that are identical.

That's not always plagiarism - if it's a news company and the article's from Reuters or AFP, they've typically paid for the right to republish the article. If the content is from a marketing press release, you'll frequently see multiple people saying exactly the same thing (as they've copied the release verbatim with permission).

posted 2005-Dec-14, 5pm AEST
edited 2005-Dec-15, 10am AEST
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Cafeman writes...

That's not always plagiarism - if a news company and it's from Reuters or AFP, they've paid for the right to republish the article. If it's from a marketing press release, you'll frequently see multiple people saying exactly the same thing (as they've copied the release verbatim with permission).

I quite often read Time articles online, but it's just because Time and someone else have bought the article to publish it.

As long as the same company/publisher is listed as the author then it's just multiple sources useing the works of one author/company which is definatly not plagerism.

Quite often Australian news for overseas events is done by other companies and 7/9/10 buy the rights too it.

posted 2005-Dec-15, 10am AEST
User #30364   11885 posts
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s-m writes...

Plagiarism isn't illegal

Have a read of the copyright act, particularly division 2 of part ix, and then come back to repeat that unqualified statement......

posted 2005-Dec-15, 8pm AEST
User #26986   21164 posts
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varro writes...

lifts bleeding chunks of another polly's speech n doesnt expect to get caught) ... Alex Haley, Martin Luther King, HG Wells, Gail Sheehy, Joe McGinniss ...

... Alan Jones when he was 'writing' for the Sun-Herald.

posted 2005-Dec-15, 8pm AEST
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I know this is a pretty old thread, but I stumbled upon it when doing a bit of a search on exactly the same issue, with the same person.

Recently I was checking out an article by said journalist, and thought that I had read it before. Upon doing some straightforward googling, I found that he had lifted the entire article, and put his company's name to it.

Smarthouse article is here.

Original article is here

A quick investigation found over 20 examples of pure and unashamed plagiarism on his site, and who nows how many a deep investigation would turn up.

Nothing irks me more than someone who presents themselves as an authority, then steals others work.

Don't know what can be done, or whether the issue contained in this post was ever resolved, but if not and it's still active, I now have a bucket of info which would be of use to support any claim.

posted 2006-Aug-29, 9am AEST
User #24242   17782 posts
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A processionally written story or commentary on a subject does not need to resort to cut-and-pasting - limited quoting is all that is needed to communicate effectively.

(Journo's comment)

posted 2006-Aug-29, 11am AEST
User #33633   2073 posts
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So whats the update on the original post?

posted 2006-Aug-29, 2pm AEST
User #53629   20400 posts
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Bigges Digges writes...

So whats the update on the original post?

It was Smarthouse News that was the original culprit so I think it's fair to say that this is the way they source their news.

Unsubscribed.

posted 2006-Aug-29, 2pm AEST
User #9215   9561 posts
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SM1 writes...

Don't know what can be done

Try contacting the Editor.

www.smarthouse.com.au/Contact

Caroline Warnes
02 8251 7615
cwarnes@4squaremedia.com

She may not know that one of their contributors is swiping articles from elsewhere. Alternatively, contact the publishers of Tech Living and inform them. I thought perhaps there was a relationship between the two publications (one is Australian focussed, the other US), but I couldn't find any other than the subject matter.

posted 2006-Aug-31, 2pm AEST
edited 2006-Aug-31, 2pm AEST
User #36   10726 posts
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Careful with the accusations. You don't know if they have licensed that story for republishing.

posted 2006-Aug-31, 2pm AEST
User #9215   9561 posts
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Phil Sweeney writes...

Careful with the accusations. You don't know if they have licensed that story for republishing.

You are correct, although the previous occurance with a Whirlpool article casts some doubt on that explanation.

posted 2006-Aug-31, 3pm AEST
edited 2006-Aug-31, 3pm AEST
User #114007   359 posts
Forum Regular

Just browsing through this thread, and out of interest looked at the original article which sparked the discussion -
the article about iiNet now includes a brief mention about their source (but no links though, or any mention of the article being edited if the original date was 7/12/05)
www.smartofficenews.com....nd/News/J2H2A8G9
According to the Whirlpool web site. iiNet is also set to resume ...

posted 2006-Sep-3, 8pm AEST
User #133691   2 posts
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Well..........here's a story which further confirms. These guys discovered a complete rip off of one of their articles;

"Smart House" Pirates Big Picture Big Sound Article on Sharp LCD HDTV

www.bigpicturebigsound.c...iarism-868.shtml

posted 2006-Oct-10, 10pm AEST
User #33633   2073 posts
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Sounds like they werent stopped when they should have been

posted 2006-Oct-10, 10pm AEST
User #2132   6705 posts
Reporter

David Richards is the owner of the publishing house. Unlike a journalist, if there were some impropriety, he can't lose his job. The only recourse against Richards is to sue him.

posted 2006-Oct-10, 10pm AEST
User #140007   4 posts
Forum Regular

As the author of the Big Picture Big Sound article, all I can say is I'm not surprised they've done it again. Smart Office News and Smart House are both in the same family of sites with the same apparent "journalistic" practices. I contacted them directly at first, but my complaints were ignored so I took other measures.

Your courses of action are to: a.) e-mail all their advertisers alerting them to the practice of content theft, b.) contact Google with a formal DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) complaint (this will at least remove them from the Google index) and (most importantly), file a formal complaint (e-mail is OK) to their service provider, which is WebCentral (www.webcentral.com.au).

You can find details of copyright complaints here for WebCentral clients here: www.webcentral.com.au/contactdetails.php

Hosting companies are also liable for copyright violations, so they tend to treat these complaints fairly seriously. WebCentral was very on top of things and were able to get the pages removed quickly.

Right now, I'm getting error messages on the "Smart" web sites, so that's interesting... Maybe they've been dropped by their hosting company?

-CB

posted 2006-Oct-11, 12am AEST
User #36   10726 posts
Admin / News Editor

chrisboylan writes...

As the author of the Big Picture Big Sound article, all I can say is I'm not surprised they've done it again.

Hi Chris.. it may not be obvious but this particular discussion started last year, so it has been dredged up from the past to discuss your situation.

Right now, I'm getting error messages on the "Smart" web sites, so that's interesting... Maybe they've been dropped by their hosting company?

It's pointing to netregistry.com.au now.. new host?

posted 2006-Oct-11, 12am AEST
User #140007   4 posts
Forum Regular

It's possible they've either voluntarily or involuntarily switched hosts. Since their content is offline completely, I'm guessing involuntarily... The longer their pages are down the better, as this could eventually remove all of their content from the search engines as they re-crawl the pages and find nothing there.

Anyway, I noticed the referral traffic into our site from the link on your forum, so I thought I'd chime in with my 3 cents (adjusted for exchange rate). (:

Cheers,

-Chris

posted 2006-Oct-11, 2am AEST
edited 2006-Oct-11, 2am AEST
User #36   10726 posts
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A little birdy told me to watch Media Watch tonight.

posted 2008-Mar-3, 7pm AEST
User #21445   2354 posts
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Anything get reported along these lines?

edit: will be watching!

posted 2008-Mar-3, 7pm AEST
edited 2008-Mar-3, 7pm AEST
User #34170   11883 posts
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Phil Sweeney writes...

A little birdy told me to watch Media Watch tonight.

What time, Phil?

posted 2008-Mar-3, 8pm AEST
User #36   10726 posts
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It's 9:20PM in Melbourne.. not sure about other states.

posted 2008-Mar-3, 8pm AEST
User #19559   1239 posts
Whirlpool Enthusiast

9.20pm EST

Edit: Ahh beaten :(

posted 2008-Mar-3, 8pm AEST
edited 2008-Mar-3, 8pm AEST
User #56024   9890 posts
Moderator

Phil Sweeney writes...

It's 9:20PM in Melbourne.. not sure about other states.

Just checked eBroadcast and it's 9:20pm in all state/territory capitals.

posted 2008-Mar-3, 8pm AEST
User #62870   5321 posts
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Post back here with details for those that don't watch!

please!

posted 2008-Mar-3, 8pm AEST
User #36   10726 posts
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Very interesting :) Hopefully someone will put it up on youtube.

posted 2008-Mar-3, 8pm AEST
User #56024   9890 posts
Moderator

~Doug~ writes...

Post back here with details for those that don't watch!

please!


A long segment on supposed plagiarism by a tech news website.
I won't post any names here, but certain groups mentioned in the segment may sound familiar *cough*.

posted 2008-Mar-3, 8pm AEST
edited 2008-Mar-3, 8pm AEST
User #108564   7187 posts
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Phil Sweeney writes...

Very interesting :) Hopefully someone will put it up on youtube.

Brief summary please? I couldn't get to a TV...

Or YouTube would be good...

posted 2008-Mar-3, 8pm AEST
User #19559   1239 posts
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hm.... very interesting about 4S media. I would have thought such blatant plagiarism would have been dealt with harshly in Australia.

Also, it should be up on www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/vodcast soon.

posted 2008-Mar-3, 8pm AEST
edited 2008-Mar-3, 8pm AEST
User #13510   1790 posts
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~Doug~ writes...

Post back here with details for those that don't watch!

No need to. Each Media Watch episode are available from www.abc.net.au/mediawatch the day after TV broadcast :)

posted 2008-Mar-3, 8pm AEST
User #79593   13109 posts
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Phil Sweeney writes...

Hopefully someone will put it up on youtube.

Aunty will probably have it up at www.abc.net.au/mediawatch available for viewing tomorrow :)

posted 2008-Mar-3, 8pm AEST
User #45328   3554 posts
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~Anne~ writes...

available for viewing tomorrow :)

tomorrow?

This is a now now now society!

I am stuck @ work!

meh, what do i need to worry about, I can get home in time and watch it - I live in perth :>

posted 2008-Mar-3, 8pm AEST
User #70593   107 posts
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Ahhhh it was the hackers

posted 2008-Mar-3, 8pm AEST
User #10480   6025 posts
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Busy B. writes...

Hey watch those spoilers for us WA people ;-)

Ahhhhhhh, damn those ha**ers that in***t interesting c**t*nt into your b**g!

posted 2008-Mar-3, 8pm AEST
edited 2008-Mar-3, 9pm AEST
User #92214   283 posts
Forum Regular

Hey watch those spoilers for us WA people ;-)

posted 2008-Mar-3, 9pm AEST
User #36   10726 posts
Admin / News Editor

Here you go:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdtvJAKEHeU

(thanks to whoever put it up)

posted 2008-Mar-3, 9pm AEST
edited 2008-Mar-3, 9pm AEST
User #108564   7187 posts
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Phil Sweeney writes...

Here you go:

Thanks for that. :D

posted 2008-Mar-3, 9pm AEST
User #45328   3554 posts
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anyone noticed that he looks like peter o toole?

posted 2008-Mar-3, 10pm AEST
User #85823   5326 posts
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personally i think he's a good journalist

posted 2008-Mar-3, 10pm AEST
User #85823   5326 posts
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^sorry, my account was hacked

posted 2008-Mar-3, 10pm AEST
User #68788   2408 posts
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entropy1 writes...

personally i think he's a good journalist

David Richards or the Media Watch guy?

posted 2008-Mar-3, 10pm AEST
User #10480   6025 posts
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ooright writes...

David Richards or the Media Watch guy?

Peter O'Toole!

posted 2008-Mar-3, 11pm AEST
User #68788   2408 posts
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Eric writes...

Ahhhhhhh, damn those ha**ers that in***t interesting c**t*nt into your b**g!

Wash your mouth out!

posted 2008-Mar-4, 12am AEST
User #36775   21848 posts
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Media Watch says...

Well I guess the mystery hacker might have planted the most recent articles, but how long has he or she been at it? Since at least March 10th 2006 apparently, when this article was posted on the PC World website.

What a rip-off!

Plagiarism of Whirlpool articles... - posted 2005-Dec-8, 1:49 pm

posted 2008-Mar-4, 4am AEST
User #50030   11759 posts
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I looked at the listing for Media Watch. Is WP responsible for Tom Cruise going missing?

Very impressed. :)

Edit: Never mind - I found the reference. Phantom of the Internet.

posted 2008-Mar-4, 5am AEST
edited 2008-Mar-4, 5am AEST
User #124764   8013 posts
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Ripping off other peoples work - if you must

1 Substantual rewrite otherwise the sentences sound like someone elses which it is
2 Do not publish on the net - someone somewhere will see & remember
3 Do not publish where the author is likely to see it #
4 Find a set of references that apply to that piece and support it with some good old author date page inserts
5 What you rip off must align itself congruently with your previous opinons on that subject

# One of our illuminatus of a computer club ripped off something that I had published elsewhere which arrived in the club mag - DUH - and they were an academic as well !

posted 2008-Mar-4, 7am AEST
User #32192   15963 posts
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Corey writes...

Without attribution it is still plagiarism, as he is claiming it as his own work - whether or not permission was sought.

I believed that everyone knew that, ask the author or be prepared for all the consequences, including the legal ones.

posted 2008-Mar-4, 11am AEST
User #10480   6025 posts
ISP Representative

Eric writes...

Ahhhhhhh, damn those ha**ers that in***t interesting c**t*nt into your b**g!

Now that it isn't a "spoiler"... I said:

Ahhhhhhh, damn those hackers that insert interesting content into your blog!

posted 2008-Mar-4, 11am AEST
edited 2008-Mar-4, 11am AEST
User #108856   3304 posts
Section Moderator

s-m writes...

Plagiarism isn't illegal.

I know this point is an old one but if anyone's still interested they should look into the following actions:

Copyright

Moral Rights (under the Copyright Act and often not considered but covers this scenario)

Misleading and Deceptive Conduct - Trade Practices Act s 52 (if in trade or commerce)

posted 2008-Mar-4, 12pm AEST
User #199557   798 posts
Whirlpool Enthusiast

Phil Sweeney writes...

Here you go:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdtvJAKEHeU


hahaha

Clearly this is not an isolated incident of plagiarism then! :P

posted 2008-Mar-4, 12pm AEST
User #185207   837 posts
Whirlpool Enthusiast

Phil Sweeney writes...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdtvJAKEHeU

Does anyone else find it ironic to be watching a pirated copy of a Media Watch segment about plagiarism?

posted 2008-Mar-4, 12pm AEST
User #199557   798 posts
Whirlpool Enthusiast

dr sfb writes...

Does anyone else find it ironic to be watching a pirated copy of a Media Watch segment about plagiarism?

LOL

You know it hadn't even occurred to me! :)

posted 2008-Mar-4, 12pm AEST
User #12122   18631 posts
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Just watched the clip on Youtube. So this guy has been a known plagarist since the mid 90's? I'm surprised he hasn't been discredited before now.

BTW JSG, I haven't acknowledged it, but nice pickup on the plagarism from here. I did see your original post at the time, but didn't think it was such a major issue until now!

posted 2008-Mar-4, 12pm AEST
User #26152   947 posts
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Those content-creating hackers sure have been busy...

www.smartofficenews.com....ication/H2N4K5G8
abcnews.go.com/Travel/Bu...d=4274406&page=1

www.smarthouse.com.au/Ac...s/Sound/A8D4F9C4
www.smh.com.au/news/tech...74761537332.html

Now for something a little more creative: two stories, from the Web sites AppleInsider and The Register, which Richards runs together as one under his byline:

Most of the original article is here:
www.appleinsider.com/art...sted_shares.html

But there were some nice bits here: