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I stumbled across an online article last night, and I realised that almost the entire second half of it was an exact - word-for-word - copy of a story which Whirlpool had already published. |
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User #49019 11965 posts
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Maybe "David Richards" is a pen-name* for Martin Sinclair? |
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AlexErko writes... *does that still apply in this keyboard dominated age? |
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Hellman, your post might be jumping the gun. Have you asked Martin Sinclair if it is actually plagiarism? |
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It should be noted for those who don't read the article that the first half of the article appears to be non-WP content (perhaps original) but the 2nd half is a direct cut and paste, minus formatting and URL's as the WP article in the OP. |
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JustSomeGuy writes... I'll let all of you be the judges! |
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≤ Thor ≥ writes... It should be noted for those who don't read the article that the first half of the article appears to be non-WP content (perhaps original) but the 2nd half is a direct cut and paste. |
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Happo writes... Guilty as charged! |
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I don't know the guy, nor did I ever give him the permission.... |
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User #78271 4449 posts
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Martin Sinclair writes... |
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AlexErko writes... Even if he did OK it, the text has not been attributed to Martin which would be bad form, but not plagiarism per se IMO. |
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Martin Sinclair writes... I don't know the guy, nor did I ever give him the permission.... |
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Martin Sinclair writes... I don't know the guy, nor did I ever give him the permission.... |
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sir-fart-a-lot writes... Well, it looks like there'll be a need to get in touch... Corey writes... Without attribution it is still plagiarism, as he is claiming it as his own work - whether or not permission was sought. |
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Great spot JSG... |
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User #63699 11765 posts
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Tut tut. Well spotted JSG :) |
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User #83532 568 posts
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A quick trip to here: |
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≤ Thor ≥ writes... |
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Corey writes... Without attribution it is still plagiarism, as he is claiming it as his own work - whether or not permission was sought. |
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Hellman109 writes... I know of a number of large universities that have access to VERY large databases that basically read their assignment |
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Hellman109 writes... I know of a number of large universities that have access to VERY large databases that basically read their assignment, and check it against millions of references, and checks back any hit or very close hits. |
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≤ Thor ≥ writes... It seems upon Googling he is listed as the editor of a few sites/magazines. |
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s-m writes... Plagiarism isn't illegal. |
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≤ Thor ≥ writes... The point of stating what you quoted from me that he should know better and isn't a student or non-professional writing an article, but ironically a CEO & Editorial Director. |
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Mister Ed writes... often think that people won't notice when they do things like this. |
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Mister Ed writes... That is just a title, doesn't really have all that much meaning. These sorts of sites are often ran by a one person company who can give themselves whatever title they want. |
posted 2005-Dec-8, 2pm AEST
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s-m writes... However, there's very little you can actually do about it. Plagiarism isn't illegal. |
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Well, it depends on whether you classify theft of someone else's intellectual property, and breach of copyright, as an illegal action or not. |
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The Librarian writes... Because that's what plagiarism is ... theft. |
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Go get'em Marty!! |
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≤ Thor ≥ writes... On that ground is there anything you can do about it if one really wanted to, Librarian (Or anyone else knowledgeable about such things)? |
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The usual recourse - contact the author and let them know you're aware of the issue, suggest a responsible course of action (add citation and put blocks of unmodified quoted text in quotation marks), and - in the case of repeat offenders who don't respond to polite requests to cease and desist - inform others in the area in the hope peer and/or external pressure may have an effect. |
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The Librarian writes... Which is what, I believe, Martin is doing :) |
posted 2005-Dec-8, 4pm AEST
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Well, should we all email him and tell him how naughty he was? Or is that a bit too immature? I remember a similar episode on maddox a while back. The plaguriser ended up being VERY sorry for it. |
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iGGY writes... Well, should we all email him and tell him how naughty he was? |
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≤ Thor ≥ writes... Spamming him would not be acceptable however, I think that would degrade the image of Whirlpools users as a whole. |
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iGGY writes... I am sure a few professionally worded critical emails would go a long way. |
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Alrighty then ;)) |
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iGGY writes... Well, should we all email him and tell him how naughty he was? |
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Hellman109 writes... ... which would come from Simon, Phil or the Author himself, not regular users |
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User #57 15856 posts
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How about a front page story on plagiarism of online sites, citing this case as an example? I bet he won't try and plagiarise that one. :) |
posted 2005-Dec-8, 4pm AEST
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User #47676 10593 posts
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Well his (American) spell-checker did change 'centre' to 'center'. :) |
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Dodgy Tone writes... Well his (American) spell-checker did change 'centre' to 'center'. :) |
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lol |
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Hellman109 writes... know of a number of large universities that have access to VERY large databases that basically read their assignment, and check it against millions of references, and checks back any hit or very close hits. |
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Dodgy Tone writes... Well his (American) spell-checker did change 'centre' to 'center'. |
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≤ Thor ≥ writes... True, but people should be made aware of it if reading articles from those who plagiarise in the future and regard the articles accordingly. |
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Hellman109 writes... Ill reprint authors books and say they are my work and sell them as such. |
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s-m writes... it reminds me of the lawsuits that were raised against Alex Haley when Roots was published. |
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Clark Kent writes... Haley plagarised Roots? |
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so has there been any news on the results of any action taken? |
posted 2005-Dec-14, 1am AEST
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Should get A current affair and Today Tonight to a story on this :/ |
posted 2005-Dec-14, 4am AEST
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Would Martin Sinclair be so concerned about a reporter who was unable to write his own editorial copying his? if some in here have noticed it then I an sure many more people would have. |
posted 2005-Dec-14, 6am AEST
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Would Martin Sinclair be so concerned about a reporter who was unable to write his own editorial copying his? if some in here have noticed it then I an sure many more people would have. |
posted 2005-Dec-14, 7am AEST
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I can't believe the article is still posted without modifications indicating the source. Has the guy been contacted yet? |
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Russell writes... I can't believe the article is still posted without modifications indicating the source. Has the guy been contacted yet? |
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User #20140 890 posts
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This is disappointing. |
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≤ Thor ≥ writes... |
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sir-fart-a-lot writes... The 1st half could have been a cut & paste from a similar story that was linked to by WP. |
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I see this done all the time. When I am googling for somehting, I always end up reading 2 or 3 articles that are identical. It is quite bad really. I hope Whirlpool takes some sort of action against this guy. |
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That is very well picked up indeed. |
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Clark Kent writes... There is not a lot you can do except rage against the machine. |
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Suspect that he is his own boss. |
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dereq writes... Suspect that he is his own boss. |
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BillyB writes... wouldn't that put him at even higher risk? |
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BillyB writes... This guy is just taking advantage of the fact that he knows that Whirlpool doesn't have the funds nor time to pursue this. Quite sad really. |
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Adrian C writes... When I am googling for somehting, I always end up reading 2 or 3 articles that are identical. |
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Cafeman writes... That's not always plagiarism - if a news company and it's from Reuters or AFP, they've paid for the right to republish the article. If it's from a marketing press release, you'll frequently see multiple people saying exactly the same thing (as they've copied the release verbatim with permission). |
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s-m writes... Plagiarism isn't illegal |
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varro writes... lifts bleeding chunks of another polly's speech n doesnt expect to get caught) ... Alex Haley, Martin Luther King, HG Wells, Gail Sheehy, Joe McGinniss ... |
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I know this is a pretty old thread, but I stumbled upon it when doing a bit of a search on exactly the same issue, with the same person. |
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A processionally written story or commentary on a subject does not need to resort to cut-and-pasting - limited quoting is all that is needed to communicate effectively. |
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User #33633 2073 posts
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So whats the update on the original post? |
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So whats the update on the original post? |
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SM1 writes... Don't know what can be done |
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Careful with the accusations. You don't know if they have licensed that story for republishing. |
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Phil Sweeney writes... Careful with the accusations. You don't know if they have licensed that story for republishing. |
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Just browsing through this thread, and out of interest looked at the original article which sparked the discussion - |
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User #133691 2 posts
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Well..........here's a story which further confirms. These guys discovered a complete rip off of one of their articles; |
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User #33633 2073 posts
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Sounds like they werent stopped when they should have been |
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David Richards is the owner of the publishing house. Unlike a journalist, if there were some impropriety, he can't lose his job. The only recourse against Richards is to sue him. |
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As the author of the Big Picture Big Sound article, all I can say is I'm not surprised they've done it again. Smart Office News and Smart House are both in the same family of sites with the same apparent "journalistic" practices. I contacted them directly at first, but my complaints were ignored so I took other measures. |
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As the author of the Big Picture Big Sound article, all I can say is I'm not surprised they've done it again. |
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It's possible they've either voluntarily or involuntarily switched hosts. Since their content is offline completely, I'm guessing involuntarily... The longer their pages are down the better, as this could eventually remove all of their content from the search engines as they re-crawl the pages and find nothing there. |
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User #36 10726 posts
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A little birdy told me to watch Media Watch tonight. |
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Anything get reported along these lines? |
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A little birdy told me to watch Media Watch tonight. |
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User #36 10726 posts
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It's 9:20PM in Melbourne.. not sure about other states. |
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9.20pm EST |
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It's 9:20PM in Melbourne.. not sure about other states. |
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Post back here with details for those that don't watch! |
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Very interesting :) Hopefully someone will put it up on youtube. |
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Post back here with details for those that don't watch! |
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Very interesting :) Hopefully someone will put it up on youtube. |
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User #19559 1239 posts
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hm.... very interesting about 4S media. I would have thought such blatant plagiarism would have been dealt with harshly in Australia. |
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Post back here with details for those that don't watch! |
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Hopefully someone will put it up on youtube. |
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available for viewing tomorrow :) |
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Ahhhh it was the hackers |
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Hey watch those spoilers for us WA people ;-) |
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Hey watch those spoilers for us WA people ;-) |
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Here you go: |
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Here you go: |
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anyone noticed that he looks like peter o toole? |
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personally i think he's a good journalist |
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^sorry, my account was hacked |
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personally i think he's a good journalist |
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David Richards or the Media Watch guy? |
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Ahhhhhhh, damn those ha**ers that in***t interesting c**t*nt into your b**g! |
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Media Watch says... Well I guess the mystery hacker might have planted the most recent articles, but how long has he or she been at it? Since at least March 10th 2006 apparently, when this article was posted on the PC World website. |
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I looked at the listing for Media Watch. Is WP responsible for Tom Cruise going missing? |
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Ripping off other peoples work - if you must |
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Without attribution it is still plagiarism, as he is claiming it as his own work - whether or not permission was sought. |
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Ahhhhhhh, damn those ha**ers that in***t interesting c**t*nt into your b**g! |
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Plagiarism isn't illegal. |
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User #199557 798 posts
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Here you go: |
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdtvJAKEHeU |
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Does anyone else find it ironic to be watching a pirated copy of a Media Watch segment about plagiarism? |
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Just watched the clip on Youtube. So this guy has been a known plagarist since the mid 90's? I'm surprised he hasn't been discredited before now. |
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Those content-creating hackers sure have been busy... | |