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Hi guys

One of my kids said that he could disable cyber sitter 2003 and I would like to know if that is possible. If so could someone tell me how to fix that so he can't disable it or a better program that can't be disabled.

Cyber sitter 2003:

www.cybersitter.com

john1234 writes...

Hi guys

One of my kids said that he could disable cyber sitter 2003 and I would like to know if that is possible. If so could someone tell me how to fix that so he can't disable it or a better program that can't be disabled.

Cyber sitter 2003:

www.cybersitter.com

Prolly if he kills the service for that particular program using Windows Task Manager "Processes" Tab. Needs to have administrator privilages to do it.

No I have tried that and the program seems to still work.

So I don't know how he does it.

I have tried the following and the program still works:

Ending process in task manager
deleting from regedit
tried to find and delete cybersitter folder but windows can't find it. Like it isn't their.

The only way I know how to get rid of it is by reformating windows.

So if anyone else has any ideas on how to disable it that would be great.

Thanks guys

john1234 writes...

tried to find and delete cybersitter folder but windows can't find it. Like it isn't their.

The Cybersitter folder should be in the "Program files" folder. Is "show hidden and system files" option selected under windows explorer options?

What about system restore? If he knows when you installed it then he may be able to restore to a previous time...and then roll the system forward once he has finished downloading midget porn? Just an idea.

Are trying to get rid of it (uninstall) or are you just trying to prevent it from being disabled?

john1234 writes...

One of my kids said that he could disable cyber sitter 2003

Maybe your kid is just bluffing ;)

How about Safe Mode with Networking? It doesn't look much good but that's enough to download all that porn for later viewing in a better resolution :P

No he doesn't know when I installed it so thats not a problem.

Im trying to prevent it from being disabled!

I have just tried to disable it in safe mode but didn't seem to work!

So I just don't know how he is doing it.

He may be just bluffing but I want to be certain!

Any more ideas guys would be great!

If you are running the latest IE6.02 (with WinXP SP2) and the program uses some sort of Plug-in with IE...then you may be able to disable it via Tools menu>Manage Add-ons?

No not in their only stuff from MS and norton!

Does it run any other excecutables in the background, besides that main "obvious" one?

have you tried to google?

like disable cyber sitter

and see if anything comes up?

Maybe use netnanny? lol

I have tried google now.

I have found one problem so far:

if you go to google:

www.google.com.au/language_tools?hl=en

And you can use their tool to by pass cyber sitter because it things that it is in a different Language.

Is their any other sites which have similar langauge tools?

Im currently looking for more loop holes!

meh, they are going to look up pr0n one day or another :P

Also the program does stop people from using IP address.

Does anybody know any content filering software that would be better then cyber sitter and stop people been able to get around it like I have just done with cybersitter.

Any ideas guys would be great!

John its very hard to stop your kids looking up rude/underage material. Just put some trust in them that they wont do it, is probably your best solution. Very hard to stop offensive material popping up all over the internet.

Just a guess, can you rename any of the executable or dll files and reboot to do this?

perhaps he disables it from starting, Start-Run-MSConfig .. Startup
disables it, restarts
does his site visiting
Restarts and enables it

OR

He translates pages using Altavista or Google, thats how I goto sites at school which are actually useful but the retarted admin thinks he should block

john1234 writes...

One of my kids said that he could disable cyber sitter 2003 and I would like to know if that is possible.

If you've failed to set permissions properly, then your child could also kill the process or stop it from loading. Even if you've completely locked down your system if your child is smart enough he could just boot from knoppix.

Imnsho, If you're kid is smart enough to get around content control, then you're kid is probably smart enough to not need it.

Does anybody know any content filering software that would be better then cyber sitter and stop people been able to get around it like I have just done with cybersitter.

No, content filtering only works against bewildered old folks, not their children.

Would a hardware solution do the trick?

The question is do hardware content filters block:

URLs
IPs
Keywords
And don't get confused with different languages
Access levels for different people

If so what would everyone recommened?

john1234 writes...

Would a hardware solution do the trick?

In the end, censorship always loses, people's social attitudes change so what offends one generation, another is fine with. That and there are a million ways around it. Bit overkill to stop a kid seeing boobs on the net.

Best solution: Disconnect the internet completely.

must commend u tho john. Taking good care of your kids i see, making sure they dont see any naughty stuff. Very good parenting mate. Keep it up and im sure they will produce very nice kids in the future.

Good work.

Out of curosity, what would happen if the kid tried to download some naughty stuff with Peer to Peer software? Does Cyber Sitter combat that?

Cancel your ISP account, burn your modem, remove the harddrives cd and floppy drives. Stop the child from visiting anyone that owns a computer. Dont let him watch any television without you holding the remote control and dont let him them go to school. Keep 24/7 watch on your child and you can be 90% sure they wont see some porn. OMG John, if we give you info on how to get around the cyber sitter programs on these forums, whats to stop him coming here and reading them???
Censorship builds Curiousity, Curiousity breeds invention. No software is foolproof.

Darwinism in motion...

most likely he just use the ip address instead of the URL address to visits the sites.

I too recommend a hardware or a standalone firewall filter.

Omega50 writes...

Cancel your ISP account, burn your modem, remove the harddrives cd and floppy drives.

Don't knock him just because he is trying to raise his children like a good father.... Maybe if all fathers went to these efforts to block violent material from the net, we might not see as many deaths today.

Also I recommend you try out this software, I found it have a very strong adult content filtering algorithm

filtergate.com/index.html

mercthunder writes...

Maybe if all fathers went to these efforts to block violent material from the net, we might not see as many deaths today.

Maybe if there weren't as many deaths today, there wouldn't be so much violent material on the net to be blocked.

john how old is ur kid?
I reckon its a bluff, porn using google gets u no where lol unless he download those stupid previews.
As someone asked before does cyber sitter stop from using p2p? because if he uses kazaa then .... i guess he is not bluffing haha.
goodluck, never met a parent that is determined like you preventing ur child accessing these stuff, well done.

Just some stats from this link www.internetfilterreview...-statis­ tics.html
Pornographic websites 4.2 million (12% of total websites)
Daily pornographic emails 2.5 billion (8% of total emails)
Daily pornographic search engine requests 68 million (25% of total search engine requests)

And the list goes on and on. Now tell me that Cyber sitter can protect from all these sites? Plus a seach on Google will show you how to bypass the filters anyway. Thats why I posted my previous one on how to almost ensure safety on the computer from porn. I am not knocking John for what hes trying to do, just find it strange he is looking for ways around the program?

john1234,

Disabling Cybersitter is certainly possible. A friend and I once had a look at an old version (pre 2000) and found that it could be disabled simply by changing back a .dll file (wsock32 file from memory) it changed on installation in Primary Drive/Windows/System. Cybersitter simply renamed the file and installed its own version. Reverse the changes and Cybersitter was effectively castrated (ouch). Don't know about the new versions, but I see Peacefire (anti-censorship page) is STILL active after all these years and they offer a way of disabling all web-blocking software. Might I suggest a visit to their stuff on Cybersitter (located at www.peacefire.org/censorware/CYBERsitter and check out their instructions on software disabling at www.peacefire.org/bypass and, following the links, www.peacefire.org/circum...nstructions.html .

Hope it all helps!

Cheers

Tenebrae

mercthunder writes...

Don't knock him just because he is trying to raise his children like a good father....

...assuming he is actually the father. What if this is his son trying to find a way around the software so he can find some pr0n?

Thats what i thought Silvercastle, because there is definatly a way to disable the program. I think...

Mattie

If it's a service, stop it. If it's a process, kill it. Not that hard really =\

As for content filtering proxy etc. it's great, but if he uses a different proxy server i can't see it doing much

Fact is your kid/kids have probably already seen a fair bit of porn, maybe not on the net but @ school/friends house/newsagent etc

ID stick with Cyber sitter but install VNC as a service and hide the VNC icon and hide/move the install dir and freak them out every so often by opening a notepad session and typing .... I am always watching you.....

Then they will just freak out and never know if you are watching. Ego never do anything.

When the survelence sofware actually gives no indication of how it works (or what it is) they tend to self regulate themselves even more because thier imagination goes wild with the possibilties. But if they assume they know the limitations and the solution they always push it (or do google searches on how to get around it). Tell them you installed a hardware thing that attaches to the ADSL router/whatever and is like a little angel that floats around coping everything and taking screenshots and records EVERY key you press and programs you run on the network. That way they will figure the only way to turn it off it to turn off the ADSL router/modem/switch/whatever which will prevent them accessing the net anyway.

If you are REALLY tricky you could install a proxy and knock out all accessable ports but the outgoing proxy port and monitor ALL outgoing fetch requests through the proxy. What we do here at the school.

Just do a check over all file accesses and temporary files everyso often. Sort by date is my favorite catching tool. Most kids arent intellegent enough to hide stuff well.

BTW my guess would be that your kid KNOWS how to turn it off but hasnt as yet.

john1234 writes...

Does anybody know any content filering software that would be better then cyber sitter and stop people been able to get around it like I have just done with cybersitter.

Symantec (Norton) Internet Security has content filtering that works very well and cannot be defeated by a user unless they have local administrator rights on the PC.

Bj.

Does msconfig work?

I know not everyone will agree but I would prefer for my chilldren to not see of things just yet. Also for those poeple who think that im trying to get around cybersitter if they haven't noticed I have already posted how to disbale cyber sitter and im now looking at a hardware solution which we stop them from the following ways:

URL
IP
Differenet language sites
Java and etc

Any ideas guys would be great!

Technical solutions to social problems don't work!

john1234 writes...

If so what would everyone recommened?

Hi john,

what i did (as a test) was use a linux gateway, and force them to use the proxy, and use squidgaurd to filter websites and content.

it worked rather well for the most part, i didn't really put it to the test.
make sure you give them a different account that doesn't have privileges to change the the proxy settings.
as for peer2peer that's another issue, and can't you send and receive things on m$n messenger ?

but squidgaurd is a good start IMHO :)
hope that helps
cheers

Some ADSL modems have content blocking, just add in the words/ URLs you want blocked. And they also are password protected so your kid would have a very hard time getting around that.

Mattie

But do the content filters stop them from just using a sites IP instead of URL and getting confused with language tools so you can trick the modem into thinking that it is an all right site.

john1234 writes...

what would everyone recommend?

Set up an internet proxy on a machine only you have control over. Log all activity, and tell your kids that you will be a) logging all activity, and b) periodically examining the logs. Then do so.

Alternatively, sit with them when they use a computer.

Third option, stop worrying about it.

Well john squidgaurd is an open source project, if you keep your list up to date (which is very large) it has some rather good rules, but they way i have my machines setup at home and at work is like this:

I use SME server (linux server platform) and i'm running a program called sarg that tells me all the sites that were visited and which ip visited them(only useful if he has his own machine), what time, and how much was transferred from it (if it's a lot then there's images on the site)
so even if they find something to get around squidgaurd or "Dansguardian" (another content filtering program) then i'd know where they went.

so if you think that sounds like a good idea, put together an old machine , something like a pII 350 , with about 128M Ram , and a 1Gig HDD, and try it out .
everything you need to know can be found here contribs.org

hope that helps
cheers

Thanks for all the help guys!

Here is the best and ONLY solution.

Place the computer in an area which is visible and can be monitored and observe.

ghosty6 writes...

Here is the best and ONLY solution.

Place the computer in an area which is visible and can be monitored and observe.

Not a bad suggestion. You can't watch like a hawk 24/7 though.

In addition to the things mentioned, hide a keylogger in their somewhere :-)

neilmc writes...

In addition to the things mentioned, hide a keylogger in their somewhere :-)

Possible subsequent conversation...
Dad: Son, what exectly where you were searching for with Google when you typed the words "goat" midget" "baby oil" and "nude"?

Son: Oh it was just a school project I was researching. ;-)

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CoNNect writes...

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Strongbad will not help you filter pr0n sites!

Meanwhile, have you worked out if your kid was bluffing yet or any other developments?

I think you just have to accept it's not possible... hardware solution is even worse then software... since it's easy to find the plugs and disconnect something in hardware.

Installing software like this says to your kid... hey i don't trust you one bit... it's unsuprising your kid has told you he can bypass it, even if he possibly can't.

Accept the fact that there is no magic solution.

Accept the fact that your kids will get their hands on unsavoury material whether you like it or not, if that's what they want to do.

Accept the fact that you need to deal with the social aspect of this problem rather than trying to throw a technological solution to a social problem.

Accept the fact that by doing something that shows you have zero trust in your kid, you are going to make it more difficult for your kid to trust you in the future.

Simlpe answer... ditch netnanny... talk to your damn kid instead of trying to put him in a software prison.

Yes I personnal have now worked out how to get around it.

And trying to look at a easy to use hardware solution.

I have been looking at the:

DFL-700

www.dlink.com.au/default...3&ArticleID=1154

If anyone know I better product please post your ideas here!

I also refer you here... for an amusing treatment of the subject...

www.thebestpageintheuniv...c.cgi?u=websense

You see, parents today don't have the time to be bothered by things like supervising their kids and teaching them right from wrong, so what we as a society need to do is ban everything objectionable.

www.thebestpageintheuniv...=websense_banned

Supervision and education is the only way to do it.

Techonology is no subtitute for responsible parenting.

Fire Dog writes...

for an amusing treatment of the subject

And another...

Errr... there is something called trust, that you need to put in place to your kids. If you can't trust them or they've done something bad previously, then limit there hours and come in and watch every couple of minutes. I 100% Agree with you Fire Dog.

Fire Dog writes...

Simlpe answer... ditch netnanny.

It's not that simple. I am perfectly happy for our 8 yr old to have net nanny on when using google. To her that's just how the net works.

The net is disabled on her PC when we aren't supervising.

I agree children of that age need the extra protection!

Since we are on the topic of child protection on internet website, have you guys found there is something shouldn't be used in the wikipedia? HINT "position"

I think the first diagram is encourage underage sex

Now he will just boot a linux live CD or a small linux distro on that 256MB USB drive he got for his birthday.

But if I have a hardware filter at the main end of the modem it wouldn't make a difference in what OS you are using!

just let the kid have his pron LOL