Whirlpool

Now that's something I didn't expect to happen.

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,24564954-15306,00.html

The plans will probably be much more expensive compared to the iiNet plans but probably better then what Bigpond are offering themselves which could be good news for people that only have Telstra in their area.

Hopefully Westnet doesn't become a follower and count uploads like Bigpond and People Telecom using Telstra ADSL2+.

great news for us on only telstra adsl 2 exchanges, hopefully they keep the same priced plans as they do now. fingers crossed

Interesting news...I can't get Westnet(iiNet) ADSL2 as my line is pair-gained, so I'm stuck with ADSL1 capped to 3Mbps at the moment. However I'm fairly certain that my RIM/CMUX/whatever has an ISAM (there was asecond cabinet installed about 12-18 months ago) so it is possible that I can get WestNet(Telstra) ADSL2 when it is available.

I'l be watching this one with great interest.

Cazart! writes...

I can't get Westnet(iiNet) ADSL2 as my line is pair-gained, so I'm stuck with ADSL1

I am in the same boat. Stuipid RIMS grrr!!

I dont think I will have access to ADSL2+ at all, as I believe my RIM cabinet is all on its own :(

i am hoping that wil Telstra's ADSL2+ network getting more of a work out, they may drop the price of the 8meg plans down to a reasonable level.

While im on the RIM, anyting above the 1.5mbit would good. If the RIM isnt maxed out, I may even hit the full 8mbit – which is actually a lot more than if I was in a position to get ADSL2+ due to my distance from the Exchange.

Oh well, here is hoping.

i hope the ADSL2 stuff gets blown wide open....

So Westnet will have 3 pricing structures for ADSL2+ now?

One for Optus, one for Telstra and one for iiNet?

I blame Telstra!!

Yianni writes...

Now that's something I didn't expect to happen.

Wow! I also certainly didn't expect that to happen, however I can see why Telstra offered it. From the article...
"...when [iiNet] announced that [they] were taking all the customers off WestNet and moving them onto the iiNet network... ...within a fortnight Telstra came back and said we don't want you to move the customers off... ...we'll offer you a deal that delivers those synergies in year one.

I'm on an exchange where Telstra are the only company offering ADSL2+ at, but I'm not interested in their pricing, nor their customer service. So I'm looking forward to seeing the prices. I won't hold my breath though. Could take a while, and I expect it won't be very competitive, knowing Telstra.

Blaman writes...

I dont think I will have access to ADSL2+ at all, as I believe my RIM cabinet is all on its own :(

I don't want to get your hopes up, but there is a possibility that a transposition process might be avialable for Telstra DSL2+ services. This process is not available as a means to get on an LSS service such as iiNet, or ULL such as Optus.

As we currently only retail a DSL1 product from Telstra, transposition is not necessary for delivery of the DSL1 product when you are on a RIM.

But whether a Transposition is actually possible or not is still up to Telstra – there might not be any spare cable pairs, or the distance to the main exchange might be too high to support a DSL service following Transposition.

Hi Neil.

Are you in a position to give us a hint on when there might be an anouncement from Westnet about this?

...or a rough guess of approx when it might be officially opened for consumers to purchase the service?

Yianni writes...

Now that's something I didn't expect to happen.

Wow that is fantastic !!!

Looking forward way faster downloads.

ah yes excitment plus, for those of us on Telstra only exchanges. I cant wait to see whats on offer. Goes to show Telstra will make deals if ISP's push them hard enough.

But will it be of benefit to all I wonder. I guess it depends on the pricing structure.

Take my example. 4.4km from the exchange, on ADSL1 Boost, and can get 6MB download speed. ADSL2+ wont deliver me any better speeds, thats for sure.

But if slightly cheaper than Boost ADSL1, and if possible to go naked ADSL2+ with Westnet on ADSL2+ (Telstra), well it would be of great benefit. I would cross over in a flash.

I hold my breath as to what is coming.

Shout
Craftbrewer

Craftbrewer writes...

But if slightly cheaper than Boost ADSL1, and if possible to go naked ADSL2+ with Westnet on ADSL2+ (Telstra), well it would be of great benefit. I would cross over in a flash.

I would make a big bet that it won't be cheaper than ADSL1, and I can definitely say that they won't do 'naked' DSL – the idea behind naked (ULL without PSTN) services is that it moves you away from the reliance on Telstra for PSTN.

Considering they make money off fixed-line services it wouldn't make business sense to wholesale a product that doesn't 'require' it.

Craftbrewer writes...

if possible to go naked ADSL2+ with Westnet on ADSL2+ (Telstra), well it would be of great benefit.

Forget about getting naked DSL by this means.

I can't see any chance of Telstra wholesaling a naked service.

This is great news!

I too am stuck with RIM BOOHOOO.... so no adsl2 at all from anyone.... My only hope is that this will allow for Westnet to do better deals with their Boost plans to drop in price and increase quota so us poor fools who cannot access adsl2 at all due to infrastructure issues can at least afford a higher speed adsl1 and pretend it is adsl2 :)
My adsl 1 1500/265 in Bunbury WA, Fiberoptic from the Bunbury exchange to a DSLAM Box on the corner of Glenroy st / Minnunup Rd to the pillar on the corner on Hastie st / Minnunup Rd and about 150m to me......YOU LUCKY ADSL2 from any ISP people.....

Yianni writes...

Now that's something I didn't expect to happen.

No, but Telstra is on a public relations push at the moment to try and say "hey, we co-operate with ISP's, so we deserve the FTN contract".

The plans will probably be much more expensive compared to the iiNet plans but probably better then what Bigpond are offering themselves which could be good news for people that only have Telstra in their area.

No 'probably' about it, they will be more expensive. But yes, should be cheaper than BP themselves. But those of us stuck with this option are still not going with Westnet's 8MB plans due to cost versus quota. So Westnets Telstra ADSL2+ will just collect dust.

kevrox writes...

I too am stuck with RIM BOOHOOO.... so no adsl2 at all from anyone....

That's not necessarily the case. If the Telstra DSLAM located at the RIM is capable of ADSL2+ you should be able to get Bigpond ADSL2+ or resold Telstra (now to include Westnet).

Toony My hope meter just jumped..... but I think it may not be an adsl2 enabled dslam... but I think an email or call to sales might be on the cards soon.... "I'm ... dreaming of a white... I mean faster connection ... just like the ones I've see around..)
Next time I see Bigpond vans at the box I'll ask them...

When do you think Westnet going to start selling Telstra ADSL2+ – any timeframe??

Well, if they're offering $100/70Gig now, you can expect at least $20 more on that.

cnr writes...

Are you in a position to give us a hint on when there might be an anouncement from Westnet about this?

I can't be specific, because we don't have a specific date – we're still assessing the work that needs to be done. However, we think we can have it out pretty soon. It's highly likely we'll have it out before Christmas, maybe much sooner.

I'd say it's unlikely we'll have a launch date until just before Launch.

Craftbrewer writes...

But if slightly cheaper than Boost ADSL1, and if possible to go naked ADSL2+ with Westnet on ADSL2+ (Telstra), well it would be of great benefit. I would cross over in a flash.

A Naked Product from Telstrawholesale is not on offer, and I doubt that will change in the next few years.

Does anyone know if there is a database or spreadsheet that has the telstra adsl2 enabled DSLAM rim... for me to check as this is Bunbury WA and way behind .... so am trying not to get too excited.....

this is good news but will yous be counting uploads?? :)

This is great news for those who are stuck on Telstra DSLAMs and some of those on RIMs who might be able to get a transposition.

The cost of the plans will be higher (less value for money) but at least you will be able to get faster speeds and hopefully some better quotas, but these are Telstra plans we're talking about so don't get your hopes up too much.

This is also great for Westnet as it can pretty much now cover almost all ADSL enabled exchanges by having all three major providers on board – Telstra, Optus and iiNet.

Having three separate pricing structures may be a bit messy but that is a side-effect of having the various choices available.

Excellent news :)

Good news for us up here in the Territory.

It is Telstra or nothing ADSL2+ wise and this news brings some hope!

james up north writes...

this is good news but will yous be counting uploads?? :)

I think the 2 providers with ADSL2+ agreements with Telstra so far both count uploads? People Telecom is one but I'm not sure about the second provider.

Hopefully Westnet does not follow suit as its simply double dipping in to peoples quota. Providers that count uploads are looked at differently than the ones that don't to people that know whats going on.

There's no way I would look in to a plan that counts uploads if there's another provider out there that doesn't.

These plans will no doubt be more expensive than the iiNet DSLAM offerings but might give people an opportunity to get ADSL2+ without having to resort to Bigpond's crap pricing/plans.

Yianni writes...

There's no way I would look in to a plan that counts uploads if there's another provider out there that doesn't.

The problem here is that if you want DSL2+ and can only get it through Telstra, you may not have a choice when it comes to metered uploads.

Yianni writes...

I think the 2 providers with ADSL2+ agreements with Telstra so far both count uploads?

PT are the only one with t wholesale 2+ at the moment.

james up north writes...

PT are the only one with t wholesale 2+ at the moment.

Pacific Internet www.pacific.net.au is the other one.

"The start of this was when we announced that we were taking all the customers off WestNet and moving them onto the iiNet network. We put in our press release what the savings per year would be on that. Within a fortnight Telstra came back and said we don't want you to move the customers off we'll offer you a deal that delivers those synergies in year one"

Going by that alone it sounds like the pricing structure will be similar to that of iiNet's – otherwise what would be the point in moving off the Optus ADSL 2+ system? – Sounds allmost like Telstra want all of Westnet's Customers on it's ADSL 2+ system instead of on iiNet's so I would imagine pricing/quotas would be similar or superior, which ever way you cut it, it's great news which will benefit us all in terms of availability and speed. (And hopefully Quota's) – However I'm not sure if Telstra Offers ADSL 2+ in my area (only Agile/Internode I think)

I am with Westnet now so if I chose ADSL2+ would there be any downtime?

I also hope they don't count uploads as my main reason for moving to ADSL2 would be for faster online backups.

While most will say, "hey wait til we see the prices, quotas, and conditions", I hope this chatter continues.

It tells our faviourite ISP what we want, AND hoping for with the new deal. Me I would personally like a better deal that is currently on offer. Then again thats a given

Its positive feedback to westnet thats counts.

Shout
Craftbrewer.

as from what i understand i think the Telstra ADSL2+ plans would be cheaper and more value for money. The reason why is, i believe, Telstra has jumped to this idea of Westnet reselling on there network is basically to keep the customers that are already on the standard Telstra ADSL network. The reason why is because when iiNet brokered the deal with Westnet, Telstra has gotten scared. Why?? because it would of meant Westnet would of focused more on moving customers off the Telstra ADSL infrastructure and move them to the iiNet ADSL2+ Network which would of meant Telstra would lose customers off the ADSL infrastructure. So really it would be more ideal and better for Telstra to allow Westnet the oppurtunity to resell better value for money, more competitive ADSL2+ plans to attract customers to remain on the Telstra network. Otherwise all Westnet will do is move customers onto the iiNet Network as it would be in their interests more, be more profitable, then moving customers onto the Telstra network. Still thats just an opinion and i wouldnt hold your breathe until we hear more.

Slim Bim Jim writes...

I am with Westnet now so if I chose ADSL2+ would there be any downtime?

Your looking at a few days for the ADSL to upgrade to ADSL2+. Basically waiting for Provisioning. But downtime, your looking at 15 mins (2 hours if it worst case scenario) Usually theres not any downtime.

I am with Westnet now so if I chose ADSL2+ would there be any downtime?

Neil McIntyre writes...

This process is not available as a means to get on an LSS service such as iiNet, or ULL such as Optus.

A LSS transposition process is offered by Telstra (Wholesale) to Access Seekers (ISPs) have to opted in. There are charges regardless of the outcome of any such investigation.

I don't want to get your hopes up, but there is a possibility that a transposition process might be available for Telstra DSL2+ services.

Some CAN (field) based DSLAMs are ADSL2+ capable so in some cases no transposition is required to go from Telstra ADSL1 to ADSL2+.

The Service Qualification check is the same for Telstra ADSL2+ is exactly the same as Telstra ADSL1. If a transposition was not available for ADSL1 it is no more, or less, likely to be available for Telstra ADSL2+.

>>>>as from what i understand i think the Telstra ADSL2+ plans would be cheaper and more value for money.<<<<

I have to agree. Years ago I left Bigpond to another ISP after a two year contact. After a number of calls from Bigpond telling me the benefits of their service, I still said no!!!!!!!!!!!! I am moving.

Next they offered me tripple the allowance, double the speed all for the original crappy service price I originally had. They almost had me, til I realised they would bump me up after a year back to their lousy prices. I am still told this happens to this day.

The point here is of course is Telstra/Bigpond have a very healthy profit margin that they have dominated over the market, and of course can trim down if they wish. Naturally they dont want to, BUT are being forced to with a changing market place.

They can offer a cheaper service, and still maintain a profit. And I believe Westnet would have pushed them to that regard. Otherwise why would Westnet sign a deal with them.

Yes its a wait and see exercise, BUT one I look forward to seeing what is offered.

Shout
Craftbrewer

Sounds good, thanks Rusty :)

The big question I'd like to see answered...

Where are the local POPs... ?

AFAIK, in QLD, if I wanted ADSL2+ through Optus, it routes down to Sydney, even if I wanted to surf to WHIRLPOOL (also in QLD). I'm not sure if an iiNet DSL2+ does that...

As Westnet's DSL1 service uses the POP in a PIPE-DC in QLD, would the DSL2+ through Telstra continue to go that path (via PIPE) or would it be shunted through a telstra pop?

Rusty1987 writes...

So really it would be more ideal and better for Telstra to allow Westnet the oppurtunity to resell better value for money, more competitive ADSL2+ plans to attract customers to remain on the Telstra network

I would suggest, if you are comparing Telstra wholesale-based ADSL2+ plans with iinet ADSL2+ plans, that the telstra based ones would not offer value for money.

Have a look at the telstra based ADSL2+ plans sold by People Telecom and the iiNet plans.

It is reasonably clear that in terms of 'bang for buck', the iiNet based plans are much cheaper...

::Jon:: writes...

AFAIK, in QLD, if I wanted ADSL2+ through Optus, it routes down to Sydney, even if I wanted to surf to WHIRLPOOL (also in QLD). I'm not sure if an iiNet DSL2+ does that...

For QLD...
Optus services terminate in Sydney.
iiNet based services terminate locally in Brisbane.

As Westnet's DSL1 service uses the POP in a PIPE-DC in QLD, would the DSL2+ through Telstra continue to go that path (via PIPE) or would it be shunted through a telstra pop?

We expect that it will retain the local connection as per the ADSL1 product.

::Jon:: writes...

Where are the local POPs... ?

You can view the Telstra ADSL2+ enabled Exchanges from their website, they cover most Metro & Regional Towns and many areas outer Metro.

View this link, download the file from ADSL Enabled Exchanges, then click on the link at the bottom of the spreadsheet ADSL2+ enabled, 1405 exchanges listed.

http://telstrawholesale.com//products/data/adsl-reports-plans.htm

Hi Westnet,

Do you know if I will be called if I have already registered my interest in ADSL2? I don't want to be at the back of the queue if I do decide to go with it!

I know my exchange ( Bunbury) is enabled but the rim i feed off in Bunbury is an unknown...
I have adsl1 from it but as to the adsl2???????
I know I am connected to DA066 on the corner of Glenroy st and Minninup rd in South Bunbury. There is an optic fiber that connects from Bunbury exchange to the DSALM box then to a pillar then to me. I wonder if some one from Telstra could confirm that this box is or is not adsl2 enabled. As I have contacted Westnet sales and they do not know and say to ask again in a few weeks when they have access to this info.
Hope meter fading......

This is great news for the Tarneit exchange, which currently only has Telstra and Primus.

Hopefully the prices will be reasonable!

At our local exchange, Mt Gambier, for ADSL2 it is a Telstra only, so now that Westnet are going down that path for Wholesale of ADSL2, this gives us much faster options than with ADSL1.

Bring it on I can't wait, Westnet would have to be one of the best around, I have had ADSL1 with them for about 5 years, the service is exceptional

a random writes...

Pacific Internet www.pacific.net.au is the other one.

and they dont count uploads

Hello Kevrox,

No RIM's are enabled for ADSL2+ afaik, and especially not in Bunbury due to backhaul to the exchange. If you are being speed limited on a RIM on ADSL1, if ADSL2+ was available, that would not change anything.

Bunbury has a major problem with the amount of RIM's, especially with lack of ADSL ports in them. Bunbury should have another exchange in, say, Carey Park or South Bunbury.

Best of luck though.

topher1976 writes...

No RIM's are enabled for ADSL2+ afaik, and especially not in Bunbury due to backhaul to the exchange. If you are being speed limited on a RIM on ADSL1, if ADSL2+ was available, that would not change anything.

Bunbury has a major problem with the amount of RIM's, especially with lack of ADSL ports in them. Bunbury should have another exchange in, say, Carey Park or South Bunbury.

Best of luck though.

Oh dear there goes my hope meter... the energy efficient globe just died...
I do get adsl1 at the moment and as soon as the boost plans drop in price, like option 3 for $69.95 I will upgrade my speed to pretend adsl2... I will make an application again in a few weeks just to see...
best of luck to you all non rim lucky people

topher1976 writes...

No RIM's are enabled for ADSL2+ afaik,

There are field based DSLAMs that support ADSL2+.

canon1d writes...

There are field based DSLAMs that support ADSL2+.

I am trying to find out where these ones are on the remotest possible change that this is one....... mind you this is WA ( Wait awhile )

kevrox writes...

I am trying to find out where these ones are on the remotest possible change that this is one....... mind you this is WA ( Wait awhile )

As Canon1d suggests, there's some RIM's that have DSL2+ ports, some that only have DSL1 (we're still getting details on this). Unfortunately that sort of information is not really available on a RIM bY RIM basis. Once we've gotten our systems updated and launch the product, we can do a check that will give us a yes no / transposition response that will let us know if there's any chance for you.

Neil

Lord Apophis writes...

Going by that alone it sounds like the pricing structure will be similar to that of iiNet's – otherwise what would be the point in moving off the Optus ADSL 2+ system?

Rusty1987 writes...

as from what i understand i think the Telstra ADSL2+ plans would be cheaper and more value for money.

Just to keep your collective feet on the ground, the upcoming 2+ product will need to reflect a wholesale pricing model that is higher in cost than the current 8mb product. The iiNet DSL2+ product, by comparison has a lower wholesale cost than the 8mb product. It's therefore highly unlikely that the same plans will be available on both networks, at the same price.

Neil McIntyre writes...

the upcoming 2+ product will need to reflect a wholesale pricing model that is higher in cost than the current 8mb product.

ugh. thats bad news :(
Nothing against westnet, but the 8mbit prices are pretty crappy.

I think I will still hold off until Telstra come to their senses and lower the 8mbit costs – even if i cant get adsl2+ due to the RIM, maybe I can at least get something more than 1.5mbit for a reasonable price.

On a different note: How are westnet planning to separate their (now 3) different pricing structures for ADSL2+?... its going to be *VERY* confusing for mum and dad types looking at getting adsl.

Mum: "I'll have the 20mbit plan for $50 per month please"
CSR: "Im sorry, you can not have that one, you dont have the hardware for it, but you can have the Telstra one for $90 with the same download allowance... how is that?"
Mum: "err... what?"
CSR: <starts talking 'technical'>
Mum: "Sorry, this is too hard, ill go and speak with telstra. Thanks."

Blaman writes...

How are westnet planning to separate their (now 3) different pricing structures for ADSL2+?... its going to be *VERY* confusing for mum and dad types looking at getting adsl.

We're aware of that, and it's certainly not trivial to avoid. But it's definitely a key area where we are trying our best to make things clear and simple, and will definitely take the opportunity of this launch to clear up some of the confusion that already exists.

Neil

Neil McIntyre writes...

Once we've gotten our systems updated and launch the product, we can do a check that will give us a yes no / transposition response that will let us know if there's any chance for you.

Neil

Thanks Neil.. I will make an attempt to get it when the product is launched. However I am sure that our DA066 box will not have this option. So for me it is 1500/256 for now till boost option 3 gets to about $70.

>>>>>So for me it is 1500/256 for now till boost option 3 gets to about $70.<<<<

Unless some-one is in the know, I think you'll be waiting a long LONG time.

I am on boost 2 as I want the speed, BUT the price hurts. And by the sounds of it, Westnet ADSL2+ on Telstra will be lesser value again, so hoping for cheaper prices seems a distant dream.

Guess one has to get used to it.

Shout
Craftbrewer

I've just found out I can get Telstra ADSL 2+ (Thanks to my neighbor who just upgraded to ADSL 2+) – Now I'm "waiting" for the -big- announcement so I can Switch over for ADSL 2+ speeds! – I'll be happy if I can manage 20gb on-peak and 40gb off-peak for $100 a month or less and NOT include uploads. (I host a gaming server with around 80+ active players, and with a 256k upload at the moment I have to cache the games data to a FTP server to increase bandwidth and lower latencies).

Still, I doubt Westnet would attempt to make a deal if it wasn't similar in price/performance/quota's to what we have right now, if it's going to be costly then I doubt Westnet would benefit much from the deal, as most users would stick to the 1.5mb or 8mb ADSL 1 plans, and not to mention of the extra over-head on support with having to host 3 different providers lines.

Anyway... Fingers crossed for the best!

Craftbrewer writes...

Unless some-one is in the know, I think you'll be waiting a long LONG time.

Hi Craftbrewer... no I'm not in the know just a dreamer... Us poor fools who are not able to get adsl2 anything have to be content with adsl1 sub 1500 speeds at reasonable rates and quotas. With all the hype of adsl2 one would think that adsl1 is a thing of the past when in reality it is only available to those who live on top of the exchange:) SO all I am doing is dropping hints to ISP reps that more people might take up higher speed adsl1 if prices were value for money... but then again they and in turn all the rest of us are held to ransom by a " wholesaler".

Telstra have made it clear they consider ADSL2+ to be a "premium" service over ADSL1, so anyone who expects Westnet or any other ISP who are offering a Telstra Wholesale ADSL2+ offering to be cheaper than 8mbps ADSL1 are kidding themselves.

This has nothing to do with Westnet – it is Telstra who decide the wholesale rates there.

The ideal situation (at this time) would be for iiNet to have DSLAMs everywhere and you would get the cheaper pricing, but they're not everywhere and unfortunately not much will change until the fiasco surrounding the NBN is sorted out (which won't be anytime soon, so don't get your hopes up).

Just be thankful that you will soon have a choice to get ADSL2+ on a Telstra DSLAM with Westnet. The cost may be not be the best but at least you can get it.

I am still hoping that Westnet/iiNet at some stage in the near future mass-migrate every customer on an exchange with iiNet DSLAM in it to the iiNet DSLAM rather than leaving them on a Telstra DSLAM.

The cost benefits would be worth it for Westnet and iiNet and it means even less money going to Telstra – which is something that most people on Whirlpool would be happy about.

Giga writes...

Telstra have made it clear they consider ADSL2+ to be a "premium" service over ADSL1,

If they have made it so clear why do BigPond charge open ADSL1 and open ADSL2+ at the same price?

canon1d writes...

If they have made it so clear why do BigPond charge open ADSL1 and open ADSL2+ at the same price?

I was referring to Wholesale, not Retail.

Giga writes...

I was referring to Wholesale, not Retail.

Even so, on what basis?

canon1d writes...

Even so, on what basis?

We are going off topic, but to answer your question you can just look at the retail pricing between ISPs.

Comparing closely (closest as possible) related plans...

Bigpond ADSL2+ 12gb – $99.95 ($89.95 if bundled)
Westnet ADSL2+ 15gb/25gb – $79.95 ($69.95 if bundled)
iiNet ADSL2+ 15gb/30gb – $69.95
Internode ADSL2+ 25gb – $59.95 (granted, less coverage – but provided for comparison)

Bigpond is the most expensive and provides the least amount of service, quota, peering and features. Telstra have been open about faster speeds being offered out at a premium rate – same as their NBN discussions but that is for another topic.

Anyway, Westnet's deal with Telstra is a great thing for those in areas where there are no non-Telstra DSLAMs. It means more people can get ADSL2+ with Westnet, but it just means they will have to pay a bit more for it.

ok.. ok.. my point was there are many of us who will not get access to any form of adsl2 "wired" that is because many of the rims are not equipped with it... My exchange is adsl2 enabled but I do not believe my rim is.... so we are held to ransom because price wise because there is no other choice at the moment... either be content with 1500/256 at a reasonable price and quota or pay higher prices that are not value for money. ... no more said ... getting very off topic....

kevrox writes...

so we are held to ransom because price wise because there is no other choice at the moment... either be content with 1500/256 at a reasonable price and quota or pay higher prices that are not value for money

I completely agree with you – but sadly that is the nature of how this all works at the moment.

Are you not able to apply for a transposition once Westnet start offering TW ADSL2+? It may or may not be able to help you but it's worth a shot (apologies if that was already covered in this topic).

>>>>>>>>>>Are you not able to apply for a transposition once Westnet start offering TW ADSL2+?>>>>>>>>>>

ok dumb question coming. This is being mentioned a little by everyone. What the hell is "TRANSPORITION" and why is it important.

Shout
Craftbrewer

Giga writes...

I am still hoping that Westnet/iiNet at some stage in the near future mass-migrate every customer on an exchange with iiNet DSLAM in it to the iiNet DSLAM rather than leaving them on a Telstra DSLAM.

Are you talking ADSL2+? It you are it will depend on what plan people sign up to. If they sign up to the Telstra plan while an IInet dslam is also available Westnet wont be able to migrate them to Iinet.

Craftbrewer writes...

What the hell is "TRANSPORITION" and why is it important.

Transposition or Alternate Path.

Telstra undertakes to allocate a new ADSL compatible infrastructure set (the connection between exchange and end user or CAN PGS (RIM) and end user) for an existing PSTN service when either requested by the ISP, in the case of LSS, or automatically for their own ADSL when the existing PSTN infrastructure set is not ADSL compatible.

canon1d writes...

Transposition or Alternate Path.

how often is it possible?
In my area the RIMs seem to be placed at a certain distance from the Exchange, which makes sense to me. If the RIM itself isnt adsl2+ compatible, what are the chances of having another path available? I guess it is all dependent on the situation? heh

Sprooty writes...

Are you talking ADSL2+?

Yes, but they could do it with all customers (even those on ADSL1) whilst still charging the same price. The wholesale rate is then cheaper and either Westnet/iiNet can make more money and/or pass some of the savings on to customers.

It you are it will depend on what plan people sign up to. If they sign up to the Telstra plan while an IInet dslam is also available Westnet wont be able to migrate them to Iinet.

I don't see Westnet giving people the choice of DSLAM, but I could be wrong. If an iiNet DSLAM is available in an exchange and there is nothing stopping someone from being placed on one (ie no free ports, etc) then it is in Westnet's interest to put the person on the iiNet DSLAM.

My view on it all now is that the iiNet DSLAMs are now the primary targets, and the Optus and Telstra DSLAMs will only be used when an iiNet one isn't available. It makes commercial sense for them to do that.

Blaman writes...

how often is it possible?

Mostly it depends on the area and how far you are from the exchange, but there are many factors that can prevent one from taking place.

Many RIMs are used further from the exchanges, and if you're too far from the actual exchange then a transposition will most likely be useless even if it was possible to have it done. Simply because even if an alternate path was available, you would then be too far from the exchange to get any form of ADSL at all.

A transposition is only useful when you are on a RIM (or other non-ADSL compatible equipment), you are within the allowed distance of the exchange itself and when there are alternate copper paths available for Telstra to move you to.

There is no harm for anyone on RIM to ask Westnet to apply for a transposition once they begin offering TW ADSL2+. The worst you can be told is that it isn't possible to be done.

I've already failed the transposition test (no copper), and at any rate if I could get a direct path to the exchange I would have gone with WestNet (iiNet) ADSL2. I'm pinning my hopes on being able to get WestNet (Telstra) ADSL2 via the RIM/DSLAM/ISAM. Since I'm already on the 8 (3) Mbps plan I'm prepared to wear the extra cost to get a higher speed connection.

MDNA DA077 – here's hoping.

Cazart! writes...

MDNA

Which suburb? You must be a fair distance from the exchange to be on a RIM in Kwinana.

If westnet don't meter uploads for this adsl2+ deal. I'm canning my internode contract and moving over to westnet without a doubt.

Bertram – as far as I can tell the entire suburb is pair-gained back to the Medina exchange. There was a tantalising note in the council minutes a couple of months back about Telstra building a new exchange or sub-exchange between Bertram and Wellard, but that could take decades.

Cazart! writes...

Bertram

I figured that was the case :)

as far as I can tell the entire suburb is pair-gained back to the Medina exchange.

Bertram has been bought up many times before on Whirlpool and I believe what you said is the case. Bertram itself is too far from the exchange for any ADSL service to be provisioned, but they do have RIMs, etc which are ADSL compatible to provide some level of service.

There was a tantalising note in the council minutes a couple of months back about Telstra building a new exchange or sub-exchange between Bertram and Wellard, but that could take decades.

Good luck. The NBN is the best chance Bertram has at getting anything better than what they have now but it will be a while before anything happens on that front.

A new exchange or sub-exchange should have been built at the time the suburb was formed, but it wasn't and Telstra won't do that now because the cost would not be worth it for them.

Inner Kwinana is well serviced by the Medina exchange because the exchange is centrally located in a pretty good spot to give full coverage to the area, but unfortunately Bertram came along later and it wasn't well planned for any ADSL services.

Telstra is the only ISP running ADSL2 at my exchange (Como, Sydney)

So does this mean that i will be able to get ADSL2 through Westnet when this goes ahead???

If so, will i be able to easily upgrade from my current Westnet 1.5Mbps plan to an ADSL2 plan?

Giga writes...

Anyway, Westnet's deal with Telstra is a great thing for those in areas where there are no non-Telstra DSLAMs.

It looks a good thing even in areas where there ARE non-Telstra alternatives. Hopefully, one can get a static IP address for an extra $5/month on these services too.

Realistically, Telstra ADSL2+ is many people's only option because the alternative suppliers will never provide coverage.

Giga writes...

Comparing closely (closest as possible) related plans...

Bigpond ADSL2+ 12gb – $99.95 ($89.95 if bundled)
Westnet ADSL2+ 15gb/25gb – $79.95 ($69.95 if bundled)
iiNet ADSL2+ 15gb/30gb – $69.95

Option 3 (8MB) 15GB/25GB $99.95 ($89.95 if bundled)

So Westnets ADSL2+ plans will be worse than the above 8MB plan.

Anyway, Westnet's deal with Telstra is a great thing for those in areas where there are no non-Telstra DSLAMs. It means more people can get ADSL2+ with Westnet, but it just means they will have to pay a bit more for it.

A bit more?... A stack more is like it. I don't care how good a company is, it won't be worth the pricing. (and I blame telstra for the wholesale pricing)

Just a note to those wanting adsl2+, i changed from up to 8 meg to adsl2+, and let me tell you, my sync speed on 8 meg was around 5 – 6 megs, i am 3.1 km's from my exchange, when i went to adsl2+ it dropped to about 3 – 4 meg, why the big drop, i really dont know, changed modems, changed settings even installed a central splitter, but nothing made it back to 5 -6 meg, anyway my point here is that if you are over 3 km's from the exchange do not expect much better, expect to loose speed, that was on telstra dslam, just for your information it was the tarro exchange near maitland nsw. hope this made sense, as i am more of a reader than a poster :)

I'm currently capped at 3Mbps, and I'm about 100m from the RIM cabinet. If I can get it at all (time will tell) I don't believe the speed of the connection will be anissue for me.

craig writes...

anyway my point here is that if you are over 3 km's from the exchange do not expect much better, expect to loose speed

That is simply incorrect.

In almost all cases, ADSL2+ will provide some increase over ADSL1 – even at longer distances.

If you had 6 mpbs on ADSL1 then there is no reason at all why you wouldn't have gotten at least 6 mbps or more on ADSL2+.

ADSL2+ increases speed – not decreases it under any normal circumstances.

I have clients who are 4.5 kms from the exchange who got ~3.5 mbps on ADSL1, and now get ~4.5 mbps on ADSL2+. The difference isn't huge like it is when you're closer to the exchange, but there is almost always an increase.

If your sync speed drops once you change to ADSL2+ then there is a line or equipment problem on your end.

Call Support and go through the standard tests and they will lodge a fault if necessary.

Oi³ writes...

A bit more?... A stack more is like it.

Depends on how you look at it – for some people it is a stack more but for others it isn't. Perhaps a better way of putting it would have been to say it will definitely be "more expensive".

I don't care how good a company is, it won't be worth the pricing. (and I blame telstra for the wholesale pricing)

Well they are the ones who set the pricing on their equipment, so of course they are to blame.

That is why I am glad we have DSLAM competition – otherwise we would be all be paying ridiculous prices for our connections.

For some people though, Westnet ADSL2+ on Telstra DSLAMs is the only chance they have to get ADSL2+, and if they really want it then they have to pay for it. It is unfortunate but it is better than having nothing.

craig writes...

if you are over 3 km's from the exchange do not expect much better, expect to loose speed

I am 3.3km from my exchange and get 6.3/900 sync. Must be an issue with your line.

just want to clear something up, im with internode atm, on 8m plan,

if i want to churn to westnet, can they KNOW for sure, befor i come back that my port is a adsl2+ port? and will sync at that profile, and not just 8m profile?

want to make sure as im on PGS

Id imagine that the plans would have to be of a similiar pattern to iiNet ADSL2+ plans.
You have to look at it from a merger POV. Telstra approached them, not the other way around so one would tend to think that WN/iiNet have some pulling power in what the outcome will be.
Telstra are starting to be played at their own game and the competition wil only get stronger. It's good to see for us the consumer and hopefully we start seeing some value in Broadband in Oz. Fingers crossed anyway.

McLuvin writes...

Id imagine that the plans would have to be of a similiar pattern to iiNet ADSL2+ plans.
You have to look at it from a merger POV. Telstra approached them, not the other way around

Good point.

I guess it just shows us how much competition is needed in the broadband industry.

Well I'm currently with Internode and was with Westnet before I churned to Node.
I didn't have any problems with Westnet and the only reason I churned was the fact Node don't have on/off peak and Usenet but if Westnet are able to secure an ADSL2+ deal along the lines of what iiNet ADSL2+ currently are I'll churn in a heartbeat.

Oi³ writes...

Option 3 (8MB) 15GB/25GB $99.95 ($89.95 if bundled)

So Westnets ADSL2+ plans will be worse than the above 8MB plan.

A bit more?... A stack more is like it. I don't care how good a company is, it won't be worth the pricing. (and I blame telstra for the wholesale pricing)

From http://www.westnet.com.au/internet/broadband/?broadband2=true

Broadband2+ Pro (ULL) – 1.5Mbps to 20Mbps/820kbps*
Bundled monthly internet Peak/Off-Peak
Option 1
$29.95 500MB²
Option 2
$39.95 2GB/2GB
Option 3
$49.95 5GB/7GB
Option 4
$69.95 10GB/15GB
Option 5
$89.95 20GB/40GB

The fine print states "Uploads are not counted towards your monthly quota but will be shaped once your monthly quota has been reached."

Whilst not the best deals around, they are far better than hel$tra.

This post is misleading as we are not comparing "like to like".

To remind all there will be three sources of ADSL2+ DSLAMS

Iinet – thats the cheapest and what is quoted above.
Optus – Thats also on the web page and is slightly dearer

These two are for those few lucky people who have access to these at their exchanged, NOT on rims etc. Sort of irrelivant to this discussion on price and plans.

For what I would say is the majority, we are waiting with excitement to the third option

Telstra – Plan and price unknown

What the speculation is in the above posts, as Westnet rents the DSLAM off Telstra, at the exchange, the final price of the ADSL2+ service will be higher than the ADSL1 plans Westnet has (as they also rent these off Telstra) simply because Tesltra charges more for this access than ADSL1.

BUT

One exciting thing could be (pure speculation mind you), as Telstra approached Westnet over this, a good Westnet negotiator should have seized the opportunity and negotiated both ADSL1 and ADSL2+ prices as part of the deal.

So one possibility MAY be new pricing structures or allowances on all Telstra products supplied by Westnet.

Shout
Craftbrewer

Craftbrewer writes...

Iinet – thats the cheapest and what is quoted above.
Optus – Thats also on the web page and is slightly dearer

The difference between the iinet & optus plans shown is the download allowance, not the price charged per month.

Mysteriously, 1 week ago I was unable to access westnet adsl2 plans, today I can.
Maybe the "optus" plans are also the hel$tra plan rates.

cashcow writes...

Mysteriously, 1 week ago I was unable to access westnet adsl2 plans, today I can.
Maybe the "optus" plans are also the hel$tra plan rates.

I still don't have access to Wetnets ADSL2+ so the plans are not yet showing telstra ones.

cashcow writes...

Maybe the "optus" plans are also the hel$tra plan rates.

Not likely as the Optus plans are named 'Broadband2+ Pro (ULL)'.

Craftbrewer writes...

One exciting thing could be (pure speculation mind you), as Telstra approached Westnet over this, a good Westnet negotiator should have seized the opportunity and negotiated both ADSL1 and ADSL2+ prices as part of the deal.

I doubt that as it would be hard enough to gain access to wholesale Telstra ADSL2+ let alone negotiating the price of it all. Also -

Neil McIntyre writes...

Just to keep your collective feet on the ground, the upcoming 2+ product will need to reflect a wholesale pricing model that is higher in cost than the current 8mb product.

I know what your saying here, AND its pure speculation, (no gorunds at all), BUT sometimes I love to put on negotiation cap.

Reading deeply into what Neil said, He said in as many words "The new ADSL2+ product will REFLECT how wholesale prices are set, which show ADSL2+ is higher than ADSL1".

Now note he said reflect, and not specifically they will be set up with the CURRENT wholesale prices that are offered (and thus the current retail prices). He didn't actually say it will exactly the same as "normal".

So it implies wiggle room form the negotiator on ALL prices.

That said, your probably right thou, but I live in hope.

Shout
Craftbrewer

Yes, I think you're being a little optomisitc. Whilst you're right, in that Neil didn't say they will be set up with the CURRENT wholesale prices that are offered... ...he did say... ...the upcoming 2+ product will need to reflect a wholesale pricing model that is higher in cost than the current 8mb product. (my emphasis)

...so whilst I'd love to think you're right, I'm not so optomisitc.

I have to admit I did get quite excited when this announcement first came out, and I went looking for the Telstra wholesale price of 8Mb to get an idea of what Telstra ADSL2+ resold by from Westnet might cost. I couldn't find an actual wholesale price (I guess it's commercial in confidence), so I searched for the cheepest unbundled 8Mb plan I could find from anyone.

The cheepest I could find was $60 which had only 500MB prepaid data with excess data at $100/GB

The deal's been struck. How long before plans will be on offer? We talking days? Weeks? Months?

...actually, having said that (two posts up), I just remembered that when TW first introduced 8Mb speeds, the cost of a 1.5 ports dropped considerably, and the 8Mb port was introduced at about the same price as the (previously very expensive) 1.5Mb...

...so you never know...

$54 or something for port rental of 8m plan.

going over all other providers plans of dsl2 from telstra, it seems to be around $60-64 for port + data.

something to think about.

White Red Dog writes...

going over all other providers plans of dsl2 from telstra, it seems to be around $60-64 for port + data.

This will be different I think, I personally don't believe there will be a price drop – 1.5mb ports were just artificially limited 8mb ports.

I just got a new modem/router (Netgear DG834N) and would love to move up ADSL2+, but I'd really like to get around 20gb/40gb for $60-$70 a month...not $90-$100. I guess I'll just wait and see a bit longer. Would love to see plans with better quota than what is currently being offered, but I think I'm dreaming.

-zz- writes...

Would love to see plans with better quota than what is currently being offered, but I think I'm dreaming.

Same i have adsl2 telstra exchange that recently came available, $50 – 150GB would be nice.

Bamz writes...

$50 – 150GB would be nice.

hahaha Good luck with that :)

If they can offer people the same price as 8Mb, they will be doing well.