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Hi all!

My Sister was with Wesnet ADSL(Tesltra DSLAM) on Armadale WA exchange. She moved house to Byford WA then Wesnet told her they had no spare ports available for new house as Telstra has stuffed up and didn't hold their port.

Luckily (or so we thought) I rang iiNet who said "Hell yeah we get iiNet DSLAM at Byford and we got lotsa ports, come on board!"

So she applied and her application has now been rejected because her new phone line is incompatible with ADSL because it's on a Pair Gain.

At the suggestion of the more than helpfull iiNet help desk bloke, she rang Hellstra to ask if they can take her off the pair gain setup which apparently they can and occasionally for the right reason do! They politely told her to go plat her poo poo and that BogPond will not be doing such a nice thing for her.

Now I'm chasing some info like.... who to ring.... what fancy words to say.... who's bed to put a horse head.... etc.... to try get her off the Pair Gain.

I know the other option is Wireless Broadband but I'd like to totally rule our Hard wired ADSL 1st as the initial setup will cost $ and the plan vaslues aren't as good!

Thanks in advance.

MS

Usually to get off a pairgained line you'll need to get ADSL1 first.

Just be aware that if you manage to get onto an ADSL1 compatible line, it could also turn out to be incompatible for LSS (ADSL2+ with a non-Telstra provider) due to being on a RIM or sub-exchange.

Monkey Spanker writes...

At the suggestion of the more than helpfull iiNet help desk bloke, she rang Hellstra to ask if they can take her off the pair gain setup which apparently they can and occasionally for the right reason do!

Which unfortunately, is Incorrect Information. A Transposition (getting off a Pair Gain system) is something that needs to be requested to Telstra Wholesale by an ISP, not an End User. Also note, that it is not always possible to get off a Pair Gain System, as it all depends on available Infrastructure. Remember, you were calling Telstra Retail.

She moved house to Byford WA then Wesnet told her they had no spare ports available for new house as Telstra has stuffed up and didn't hold their port.

Although this leads me to suspect she might be on a Pair Gain with a Collocated DSLAM which has no ports. Unfortunately, there is no waiting list for these, its a luck of the draw thing.

http://telstrawholesale.com//products/data/adsl-reports-plans.htm

Check the ADSL Enabled and Proposed Enabled Distribution Areas report for her exchange/Street which if its there, will have a DA number listed..

Cross-reference said DA on ADSL Capacity report, which will give an Indication of whether any ports are available on a DA.

Also note : A PGS with DSLAM is usually limited to Telstra Wholesale ADSL (so ADSL1 or ADSL2 through TW ADSL2 suppliers)

Kiernan McColl writes...

Usually to get off a pairgained line you'll need to get ADSL1 first.

Yeah there's no ADSL2+ available with either Hellstra or iiNet so it was the Home 2 ADSL1 she was applying for anyway.

Just be aware that if you manage to get onto an ADSL1 compatible line, it could also turn out to be incompatible for LSS (ADSL2+ with a non-Telstra provider) due to being on a RIM or sub-exchange.

Yeah there's no plans with either Bogpond nor iiNet to put ADSL2+ DSLAMS at the Byford exchange. She's coming from a 256/128 ADSL1 a/c with Westnet so she'll be more than happy at this stage at just getting ANY level of ADSL.

If she can get off the Pair GAin, she'll def be OK for ADSL1 then?

Thanks

MS

Hstroyer writes...

Which unfortunately, is Incorrect Information. A Transposition (getting off a Pair Gain system) is something that needs to be requested to Telstra Wholesale by an ISP, not an End User. Also note, that it is not always possible to get off a Pair Gain System, as it all depends on available Infrastructure. Remember, you were calling Telstra Retail.

OK so the best bet is to get back to iiNet and see if they'll make the call to TWS?

Actually..just a thoughtsky!

Would it be better tactically to get her to apply for ADSL1 with Hellstra on the cheapest/shortest plan with the least cancellation fees possible.

Then when taken off Pair Gain, flick Hellstra, pay the cancellation fees and sign up with iiNet. She'll do some $quids but better value iiNet plans will make up for it in the long term!

I'm thinking Hellstra might try harder to fix this I it's to get a customer on board!

Any thoughts on that?

Monkey Spanker writes...

OK so the best bet is to get back to iiNet and see if they'll make the call to TWS?

The transposition request is automatically submitted by iiNet when you proceed with the online signup. If you have already been given the PGS denial reason then you are probably going to be stuck with out adsl for some time.

Monkey Spanker writes...

Any thoughts on that?

It's been done before. You just make sure that you have documented proof of trying for iiNet and being denied. You would then sign up with Telstra making sure not to open any modem boxes or use the service at all – If you do you have basically said that the contract is valid. You would then call iiNet and apply for a fast churn. When Telstra tries to charge you fees and not giving a refund you would just go to the TIO with your documented proof.

Basically the name of the game is getting everything in writing.

Frey writes...

If you have already been given the PGS denial reason then you are probably going to be stuck with out adsl for some time.

Alternatively if they apply within a short time frame to Bigpond and gets accepted, they'll have an interesting case for the TIO. Would be interesting to see how Telstra explains why they knocked back one of their wholesale customers in favour of their own.

Frey writes...

The transposition request is automatically submitted by iiNet when you proceed with the online signup. If you have already been given the PGS denial reason then you are probably going to be stuck with out adsl for some time.

Yeah I just rang iiNet back and they checked, according to Hellstra, they have tried "alternate paths" and none were possible, so they say they can't get her off the Pair Gain for iiNet.

Frey writes...

Basically the name of the game is getting everything in writing.

I presume I should call iiNet back and have them e-mail me the denial, including Telstra's claim that "no alternate path could be made".

I have the iiNet job number for the application but I'm not sure that will remain a permanent record?

broadwang writes...

Would be interesting to see how Telstra explains why they knocked back one of their wholesale customers in favour of their own.

It could quite simply be a case of Infrastructure freeing up that wasn't available at the time the iinet application was put through to TW.

broadwang writes...

Alternatively if they apply within a short time frame to Bigpond and gets accepted, they'll have an interesting case for the TIO. Would be interesting to see how Telstra explains why they knocked back one of their wholesale customers in favour of their own.

Yeah my thoughts exactly, I'm thinking for the sake of a 2-3 day wait instead of diving head 1st into 3G Mobile, might be worth a crack!

I'm convinced Telstra will try harder for a potential new customer, phone account would go back to Telstra as well!

Hstroyer writes...

It could quite simply be a case of Infrastructure freeing up that wasn't available at the time the iinet application was put through to TW.

Hahaha. I would believe that however the amount of times I have seen an application get rejected 4 or 5 times because of PGS and then have them apply for bigpond and magically a line has freed up raises my suspicions.

...just another thought...does anyone do ISDN anymore?

Maybe marginally better than dialup?

Do the following:

1) Get iinet to do a tranposition (if this works then it's done)
2) If your can't be transposed get a new phone line, ensure you ask for NPGDSL, see
/forum-replies-archive.cfm/461047.html
3) Worse comes to worse join bigpond and migrate (churn) PRIOR to using their service.

DrE

Monkey Spanker writes...

...just another thought...does anyone do ISDN anymore?

Telstra withdrew ISDN from sale last year and are planning to shut the system down late this year, apparently.

As others in the thread have suggested the best ways to go about it is either asking iiNet to submit a transposition request or apply for DSL with Telstra and make sure you have a ton of documentation for the TIO (if you need to go down that route).

luncheon meat writes...

Telstra withdrew ISDN from sale last year and are planning to shut the system down late this year, apparently.

Thanks...yeah I think even if still available was extremely poor value anyways..cheers.

Dr_Evil writes...

Do the following:

1) Get iinet to do a tranposition (if this works then it's done)
I'm not sure if that's been done. iiNet got the message back from Hellstra saying "no alternate path available" so I presume that's it?

2) If your can't be transposed get a new phone line......
MMMmm got a helpful Dude on 132200 who was in Perth. He's arranged for the phone to get churned back to Telstra from Westnet. He says once that's done, he's going to switch their phone to a new number on the Byford exchange. He says this new number will be in a range of numbers that are on "nodes" that are not pair gained and will theoretically enable them to get ADSL. This sounds too good to be true! The only thing I'm thinking was that if their old number was on a "node" that couldn't get ADSL...how come they had ADSL at their old house?

3) Worse comes to worse join bigpond and migrate (churn) PRIOR to using their service.
As above, I'm hoping that having their phone back with Telstra will increase Telstra's effort to resolve this.

/forum-replies-archive.cfm/461047.html
I've had a browse through all that, the problem is my knoweldge of this aspect is very very limited. It seems to say that NPGDSL only available to new phone lines for $299. I'm assuming that means a new phone line being physically installed to a new house, rather than what the Telstra Dude is arranging, ie a change to phone numbers on the new "node" at the exchange.

I'm a little dubious what he's doing will actually achieve ADSL but hope for my Sister's sake I'm wrong!

I'm wondering why when by Sister applied for the new phone line at this house, the possibility of being on a pair gain, not getting ADSL and having such a simple solution as asking for NPGDSL at the time of application was not explained to them!

I mean these days everyone wants ADSL and it's ludicrous to me that Tesltra knowlingly connect unsuspecting customers without making this NPGDSL process and standard process! Would I be wasting my time calling TIO?

Monkey Spanker writes...

MMMmm got a helpful Dude on 132200 who was in Perth. He's arranged for the phone to get churned back to Telstra from Westnet. He says once that's done, he's going to switch their phone to a new number on the Byford exchange. He says this new number will be in a range of numbers that are on "nodes" that are not pair gained and will theoretically enable them to get ADSL. This sounds too good to be true! The only thing I'm thinking was that if their old number was on a "node" that couldn't get ADSL...how come they had ADSL at their old house?

Haha – Sorry but thats not even possible. You will still have the same phone line. I would suggest calling iiNet back and speaking to someone that knows what they are talking about. That's the stupidest thing I have heard all week.

I'm wondering why when by Sister applied for the new phone line at this house, the possibility of being on a pair gain, not getting ADSL and having such a simple solution as asking for NPGDSL at the time of application was not explained to them!

Because you would need to pay the full $299 no matter what. People are alot more happy paying just the $59 activation fee and hoping for the best.

Would I be wasting my time calling TIO?

You sure would. I would suggest following the steps I outlined above.

It will not matter which VSP you are with in terms of service for adsl.

hmmm Byford is not listed on http://www.iinet.net.au/iinetwork/coverage.html

Does it use a different exchange?

Monkey Spanker writes...

I mean these days everyone wants ADSL and it's ludicrous to me that Tesltra knowlingly connect unsuspecting customers without making this NPGDSL process and standard process! Would I be wasting my time calling TIO?

yes, Telstra is only required to provide a Telephone Service (voice) and low level Data (i.e. Dial up).

Also note, NPGDSL does the exact same thing as a Transposition does. It looks for an Alternate Path capable of supporting ADSL. And if a Transposition failed, then likely NPGDSL will as well.

Only time NPGDSL is really useful, is when the Line gets rejected for Transmission Loss, which iirc does not trigger a Transposition reuqest in TW systems.

He says this new number will be in a range of numbers that are on "nodes" that are not pair gained and will theoretically enable them to get ADSL. This sounds too good to be true!

yes it does ..... ;). The "Nodes" in question, are in the Streets, not the exchange.

Have you, by chance, checked out those reports I linked to, and seen if ye can find further Information from them? either that, or ye could WHiM me the Street/Suburb/State, and I'll look them up for ye (dont need the house number or anything)

Jace writes...

Does it use a different exchange?

http://www.adsl2exchanges.com.au/viewexchange.php?Exchange=BYFD

Adsl 1 only.

Ah yes now that I've read the next few posts ... doh

Frey writes...

Haha – Sorry but thats not even possible. You will still have the same phone line. I would suggest calling iiNet back and speaking to someone that knows what they are talking about. That's the stupidest thing I have heard all week.
Yeah that's what I thought that the Pair Gain problem was from the Telstra Pit to their house, not at the exchange, he says however that this should work...

Because you would need to pay the full $299 no matter what. People are alot more happy paying just the $59 activation fee and hoping for the best.
Yeah that's the thing, they did pay the full $299 because it was a brand new house in a new subdision requiring a new line.

It will not matter which VSP you are with in terms of service for adsl.
Yeah there are no Telstra ports available, there are however plenty on the iiNet DSLAM, albeit only ADSL1. My Sister will be more than happy with iiNet ADSL1 but the problem is the PG on the Telstra Line, not a port availability issue.

Thanks for you help!

Jace writes...

hmmm Byford is not listed on http://www.iinet.net.au/iinetwork/coverage.html

Does it use a different exchange?

MMMmmm strange, when I put her telephone number is is says BB1 is available. When she put in her application, the said they had a DSLAM at Byford exchange and there was plenty of ports available.

Maybe that link only refers to ADSL2+ ?

Jace writes...

Ah yes now that I've read the next few posts ... doh

Doh...yeah mee too, my bad!

Hstroyer writes...

Have you, by chance, checked out those reports I linked to, and seen if ye can find further Information from them? either that, or ye could WHiM me the Street/Suburb/State, and I'll look them up for ye (dont need the house number or anything)

Hstryoer,
Yeah I had a look but couldn't make heads nor tails of it all. WHiMming away now.

Thanks

SM

Cheers MS, Further Information sent in a WHiM for ye, but heres a summary

from the ADSL Enabled and Proposed Enabled Distribution Areas Report

BYFORD – WA // DA006 (The streets conencted to this RIM)

Cross Reference with the ADSL Capacity Report reveals :

BYFORD WA BYFD DA006, DA012 No Ports Available

Hstroyer writes...

BYFORD WA BYFD DA006, DA012 No Ports Available

So in your WHiM you say she's on a RIM. So do I assume correctly that even if the line change/new line/NPGDSL goes through, then she can't even get ADSL then because she's on a RIM?

EDIT: "Typo"

well, NPGDSL will guarantee an ADSL Capable Line, not a Port. The situation your currently facing is, the Line is ADSL Capable (through the RIM) but theres no Ports available.

So, NPGDSL may very well lead to the line being conencted through the same RIM (making it ADSL Capable), but you still have the Ports Issue.

Unfortunately, the best, and only (that I can think of at the moment), is to just keep applying and hope they snag a Port when one frees up.

Hstroyer writes...

well, NPGDSL will guarantee an ADSL Capable Line, not a Port. The situation your currently facing is, the Line is ADSL Capable (through the RIM) but theres no Ports available.

I'm really confused. I thought the line wasn't ADSL capable as it's on a "Pair Gain". I thought the port availability was a separate issue. She applied through iiNet who have their own DSLAM in the Byford exchange and plenty of ports but the application failed through Hellstra because their line is on a pair gain.

Monkey Spanker writes...

I thought the line wasn't ADSL capable as it's on a "Pair Gain".

If the line runs through the DA listed on the ADSL Enabled Reports, then the Line would be ADSL Capable.

The DA (RIM) has a DSLAM located with it, on the DA the line runs through however, there are no ports available. It's still a PGS, just an ADSL enabled PGS.

She applied through iiNet who have their own DSLAM in the Byford exchange and plenty of ports but the application failed through Telstra because their line is on a pair gain.

Yup, If the application was for a iinet DSLAM, then a Transposition is required, as a RIM will only contain Telstra Hardware inside it. And the Transposition failed due to PGS and a lack of Infrastructure free to move the line to.

If the Application was for Telstra supplied ADSL1 it would presumably have failed due to No Ports on the RIM (not sure exactly)

Edit: If I'm getting anything wrong, please excuse me, I'm dead tired, and can't sleep quite yet.. So Apologies, though I'm pretty sure I got it right

Hstroyer writes...

Edit: If I'm getting anything wrong, please excuse me, I'm dead tired, and can't sleep quite yet.. So Apologies, though I'm pretty sure I got it right

Nah thanks mate, any help appreciated...even that clouded by fatigue ;-)

So...I'm very "munted" when it comes to this sort of thing.....yar pitchin' bart ah aint catchin'!

So shall I go through the process we're at now (number change), or just get her to keep applying for ADSL1 on a regular (weekly) basis.....
.....and if so, should she do it through iiNet (own DSLAMS) or through Westnet (Telstra DSLAMS) or doesn't it matter?

Monkey Spanker writes...

She applied through iiNet who have their own DSLAM in the Byford exchange and plenty of ports but the application failed through Hellstra because their line is on a pair gain.

1) iiNet DO NOT have their own DSLAMs in Byford Exchange

2) iiNet CAN NOT offer ADSL2+ or Naked DSL at the Byford Exchange because of the above.

3) iiNet can only offer you ADSL1, (broadband1) plans, these use Telstra ports, not iiNet ports, and hence the link I posted earlier does not apply.

4) Pair Gain may prevent getting ADSL all together, but all you can do is apply via iiNet. Each application may vary. If you are lucky (like I was) you will get a transposition on to full copper cable, and hence will be elligible for ADSL.

Getting ADSL2 and iiNet's ports are completely irrelevant to you at the moment at this stage, until (if they ever do) iinet upgrade the exchange to contain iinet ports.

I hope that helps.

Any more questions now?

Jace writes...

3) iiNet can only offer you ADSL1, (broadband1) plans, these use Telstra ports, not iiNet ports, and hence the link I posted earlier does not apply.

And has already been posted the RIM your sister is connected to has no free ports. So even if iiNet did you have a DSLAM or ports at Byford then there is still no chance of getting Adsl 2.

Jace writes...

1) iiNet DO NOT have their own DSLAMs in Byford Exchange

2) iiNet CAN NOT offer ADSL2+ or Naked DSL at the Byford Exchange because of the above.

3) iiNet can only offer you ADSL1, (broadband1) plans, these use Telstra ports, not iiNet ports, and hence the link I posted earlier does not apply.

...Well that's strange because the dudes at iiNet said they do have their own DSLAMS at the Byford exchange, with free ports.

I have never said on this thread that I thought iiNet could or my Sister thought she could get ADSL2+. I know that neither Teltsra nor iiNet have an ADSL2+ DSLAM at Byford. At this point, faced with either wireless BB or dial-up, she will be more than happy with ADSL1!

Don't forget iiNet was the 1st ISP other than Telstra to install it's own DSLAMS. In the early days, these were ADSL1, I'm sure the iiNet one at Byford is ADSL1.

Getting ADSL2 and iiNet's ports are completely irrelevant to you at the moment at this stage, until (if they ever do) iinet upgrade the exchange to contain iinet ports.

....as above, I know it's irrelevant, I know my Sister can't get ADSL2+! Read my O.P. I'm sure I haven't mentioned ADSL2+ have I?

Any more questions now?

Nah mate...at least not from you anyways. I don't actually appreciate the tone of your posts. You seem to be getting quite hostile for some reason which elludes me.

It is obvious that I don't have a great amount of knowledge of this topic and that is what WP is all about, people helping people. If you are so P1ssed off with the fact that I don't fully understand, then stop watching the thread so you won't have to see my silly questions.

Monkey Spanker writes...

Well that's strange because the dudes at iiNet said they do have their own DSLAMS at the Byford exchange, with free ports.

I think this needs clearing up.

If iiNet have their own DSLAMs, this means they can offer ADSL2+.

If iinet doesn't have their own DSLAMS, this means Telstra's DSLAMS are used instead (i.e the case at Byford exchange).... and hence they can't offer ADSL2+.

Sure Byford has plenty of Telstra Ports, that are wholesaled to iiNet.

I know that neither Teltsra nor iiNet have an ADSL2+ DSLAM at Byford.

See above. iiNet don't have "ADSL only DSLAMS". All of iiNet's DSLAMs are ADSL2+ compatible.

You seem to be getting quite hostile for some reason which elludes me.

Not hostile ... if you can quote the bits you think are hostile then sure. All I did was bold some key items so it was more clear... but then it's a forum and probably taken out of context.

I understand you're confused, but you're jumping the gun a bit ...

You will realise now why I was bringing up ADSL2+ as you kept mentioning iiNet DSLAMs. Perhaps you've been mis-informed.

Jace writes...

Not hostile ............snip.......... but then it's a forum and probably taken out of context.

possibly and I apologise if that's the case..but

your bolded comments and Any more questions now? to me was sounding little unfriendly if not condascending and impatient!

Perhaps you've been mis-informed.

..and yes I have been misinformed, I have re-checked with iiNet and they don't have their own DSLAM at Byford.

So the plan of attack at present is
(1) Let the change phone to Telstra, new phone thing roll and see if that works...which prolly won't
(2) Apply to Bogpond for ADSL and;
(3) If lucky enough to get a port, fast churn to iiNet.

Thanks for everyone's help, much appreciated, I'm still bloody confused by the whole issue but now seeing a bit of light through the mist..

Cheers

MS

Probably easiest way to simplify the situation:

iiNet don't have ADSL2+ in that exchange. Which means they use Telstra ports. Telstra don't have any ports available. Which means you can't get ADSL1 or ADSL2+ through either Telstra or iiNet.

Move house.

spacehead writes...

Move house.

Or just keep applying every couple of weeks. Theres a chance you may snag a port in your DA when someone leaves their ISP.

spacehead writes...

Move house.

That's ridiculous!

Frey writes...

Or just keep applying every couple of weeks. Theres a chance you may snag a port in your DA when someone leaves their ISP.

Yeah I think that's about all they can do!

Can't even get BP Cable!

Monkey Spanker writes...

That's ridiculous!

You don't have a lot of alternate options short of what Frey said above regarding continuing to reapply or some form of wireless solution/dialup.

Monkey Spanker writes...

Can't even get BP Cable!

Most people can't.

I dont think any one has clarified this, which might be causing confusion.

Telstra seems to have lots or ports at the main exchange Byford, BUT
Her line goes through a RIM (think of it as a micro exchange) which only has a small telstra DSLAM in it, which has no ports left. The only way that house will get adsl is either
1) a port frees up on her RIM (likely)
2) telstra puts down more infrastructure and she can get copper all the way to the Byford exchange (laughable)
3) wait 15 years for fiber to the home :P

Damian Guppy writes...

1) a port frees up on her RIM (likely)
Maybe in most areas but she lives in a suburb on outer Perth, small farmlets, very few rentals, people tend to stay for yonks!

2) telstra puts down more infrastructure and she can get copper all the way to the Byford exchange (laughable)
Very Very unlikely from what I've seen, more chance of winning lotto!

3) wait 15 years for fiber to the home :P
Well the National BB contract is now out for tender, maybe 8-10 Months to decide who's got the contract, yeah 15 years will be about right!

Looks like Mobile BB here she comes!

Thanks to all for your help,

MS

Monkey Spanker writes...

Looks like Mobile BB here she comes!

Wireless options are pretty good these days with vodaphone, three etc... but I'd be worried about again lack of coverage in Byford :S

Jace writes...

vodaphone

I would not in a million years recommend Voda or Optus as they have one of the slowest 3G data rates in the country not to mention the ping times and poor reception. Telstra or 3 would be the only providers that I would recommend for wireless.

I was stuck on pair gain for about 2 weeks :(

I'm lucky though some people are on it for 6 months+
(see quip<<)

Jace writes...

Wireless options are pretty good these days with vodaphone, three etc... but I'd be worried about again lack of coverage in Byford :S

Yeah she's actually in Oakford but on the Byford exchange.

3 have already said they can't do Mobile BB in Oakford, their map shows for phone/text only, as in that area, 3 mobile work 100% but are "roaming on other carriers towers.

Telstra's map says all good there as does their CSO but their plans, like everything else. really suck Sh1te!.

Haven't looked at Vodafone or Virgin or other yet!.

As soon as ADSL is totally ruled out (never say never), I'll start posting on the Mobile BB threasd to get the good oils.

Cheers

Frey writes...

I would not in a million years recommend Voda or Optus as they have one of the slowest 3G data rates in the country not to mention the ping times and poor reception. Telstra or 3 would be the only providers that I would recommend for wireless.

Geez as above 3 is out, don't tell me she's gonna have to go Hellstra!

Cheers

I thought i read somewhere about 3 finaly getting a contract to use telstra's towers to expand their coverage. I'm not to sure when this was coming into effect.

Damian Guppy writes...

I thought i read somewhere about 3 finaly getting a contract to use telstra's towers to expand their coverage. I'm not to sure when this was coming into effect.

Dunno but I rang 3 today. They said they use Tesltra towers for mobile phones "roaming" in that area, but not for Wireless BB.

Cheers!

I was in the same situation as your sister. I had ADSL2 with iinet on the Armadale exchange. Moved house, same phone number, but to a new estate on the Armadale/Oakford/Darling Downs border. Tried to transfer my internet with iiNet, got told no ADSL2 available but could have ADSL1, then got rejected for the same reasons as your sister. No ports, no alternate paths, etc, etc.

Then applied through Bigpond (holding out the vain hope that their being part of Telstra might work in my favour) but after being stuffed around by them for over 3 weeks eventually got rejected for the same reasons as iiNet.

Then applied through BBnet wireless. Got rejected by them as they don't have coverage here. Started researching other wireless alternatives (3 not available, Optus was going to be my next choice as Telstra is too expensive) but thought I'd apply again through iiNet, in a last ditch effort before I sold my soul for 2 years, and finally got connected. Must have got lucky and somebody moved or cancelled.

Sucks that there are no waiting lists. The only suggestion I would make is that, if she goes the wireless route, then look at the cancellation options and work out what it would cost to cancel if she does get lucky with the ADSL.

sassa writes...

I was in the same situation as your sister........ snip..........if she does get lucky with the ADSL.

Sassa , Yeah Looks like the path we'll be going down.

Thanks

MS

DODO dialup is apparently 50x faster than 56k so would seem like a sound option.

spacehead writes...

DODO dialup is apparently 50x faster than 56k so would seem like a sound option.

...MMmmmm tell me more, doesn't sound right, sounds impossible.

Even ISDN isn't that fast?

Monkey Spanker writes...

...MMmmmm tell me more, doesn't sound right, sounds impossible.

That depends on if you believe DODO's advertising.

Frey writes...

That depends on if you believe DODO's advertising.

I'll have a look out of interest, never heard of this though, so very dubious!

Cheers

Monkey Spanker writes...

I'll have a look out of interest, never heard of this though, so very dubious!

I think it's when they use the data compression and compress images on websites so they load faster.

don't fall for it :/

alcoholic cat writes...

I think it's when they use the data compression and compress images on websites so they load faster.

Yea simple proxy that reduces image quality and and reduces overall site sizes. If you fall for their advertising then I would feel sorry for your sister. Don't do it. It's a load of crap.

Frey writes...

Yea simple proxy that reduces image quality and and reduces overall site sizes. If you fall for their advertising then I would feel sorry for your sister. Don't do it. It's a load of crap.

Yeah sounded like bunk, Thanks for the tip!

Stay away from above mentioned provider.

A friend wanted me to give some advice on what ISP to go with....

Long story short I wasn't available when he wanted to check up and then decided to go with this provider.

He regrets not having spoken to me and is now on a crappy, I think, 24 month contract that is going to cost him a fortune to cancel.