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Does Internode throttle your internet connection when taking part in P2P file sharing (when you haven't exceeded your download quota for a given month)? I have a 1500/256 connection and some of my files are D/L at super slow speeds (my peak seems to be 5kB/s); if I D/L a file that is not on P2P it can D/L at speeds that I would expect from the type of connection that I have.

Also when I do that test where your internet connection is tested (www.speedtest.net) I get a pretty ok speed (I think). 1276kbps D/L & 199kbps U/L with a 94ms ping. Internode seem to be good for anything I want to do apart from the P2P side of things.

Additional info: My torrent program is Utorrent, I run Peer Guardian 2 & Trend Micro Internet Security. I have a 4 port Belkin Router with wireless capability.

Any ideas or advice would be appreciated.

Cheers.

Joe

of what I know, the answer is no.

have you tried without micro internet security as some programs like that see p2p traffic as a DoS attack and stop it.

then there is the other issues like the p2p swarm, if it is a public tracker then the number of people in the swarm matter greatly as a lot of people on it do not share as they should (the data they d/l had to some from somewhere).

if there are no seeders than speeds are even slower once everyone has the same parts as everyone else.

as to utorrent, it does also slow down you d/l rates if you limit you upload speeds. Anything below 10KB/s IIRC limits your d/l to some degree.

Pulling down a Torrent at 648KB/s atm on Internode at heavy usage time (6pm) ... so I doubt it ...

Have a look at software config, it's the biggest cause of speed problems ...

For example, if using WinXP there is a TCP/IP stack issue that limits half open connections (and cripples torrent software) ... Also, within uTorrent, if you don't have your upload speed set right, it can throttle download speed, etc ... Also if you don't have port forwarding working properly (or if you have a dodgy UPNP modem and UPNP set in uTorrent) downloads can be crippled ...

Also worth considering are leach/seed ratios, bad seeds from public trackers, etc etc ...

In Australia, since we buy internet plans based on a set amount of GB's, there should be no reason for an ISP to "throttle" P2P traffic, since the bandwidth should have already been provisioned (based on your current plan GB choice), so it shouldn't matter if you use it gaming, VoIP, P2Ping or surfing pr0n (as far as the ISP goes anyway!) ...

Tek

--Joe-- writes...

Any ideas or advice would be appreciated.

It sounds like your problem is with the sources you are obtaining the data from. Try downloading a recent torrent with many seeds/peers and see how you go.

Internode do not shape any P2P traffic.

/forum/?action=threads_search&f=68&q=p2p

--Joe-- writes...

Does Internode throttle your internet connection when taking part in P2P file sharing (when you haven't exceeded your download quota for a given month)?

Absolutely not.

I have a 1500/256 connection and some of my files are D/L at super slow speeds (my peak seems to be 5kB/s)

And what is your upload cap set to?

uTorrent has a 'feature' built into it that is designed to try and stop leechers, by throttling throttling their download speed to ~5kB [roughly dialup speeds] if they set their upload cap too low. [I think the limit is either 6 or 8kB, but I'm not 100% sure just off the top of my head.]

By the sounds of it, I'd be willing to bet that's EXACTLY the problem you're having.

Raise your upload cap to 10kB, and the problem will magically go away!

Even better though, would be to just ditch bit-torrent entirely, and make the switch to Internode's USEnet servers instead.

USEnet is better than bit-torrent in just about every way imaginable.

(Y2BNE1) writes...

Raise your upload cap to 10kB, and the problem will magically go away!

Good advice ^.^

I found that on my 8000/384 connection I get good download speeds in utorrent when I have the upload cap set to around 12-18 kB and still have plenty of bandwith to browse websites, play online games, send/receive emails etc.

^^

Hey guys/gals,

Just wanted to say thank you for all the feedback that was given. It turns out that it was my UTorrent program that was at fault; it was limiting my U/L speed to something small (and so my D/L speeds sucked).

I adjusted my settings in UTorrent to suit my connection speeds that I achieved on the speedtest website; and now I am averaging what seems to be about 23kB/s but surging up to 60kB/s.

It's a good thing that I didn't bag the crap out of Internode and merely asked the question; cause I was at fault and not Internode.

I am now a very happy customer and would recommend Internode to anybody.

Thanks again to all who gave me advice, its much appreciated.

Joe

PS. Try the UseNet. Much better than torrents.

--Joe-- writes...

Does Internode throttle your internet connection when taking part in P2P file sharing (when you haven't exceeded your download quota for a given month)?

No.

Does Internode secretly monitor our brainwave patterns and report these to the RIAA, CIA, FBI, ASIS or ASIO to implicate anyone being naughty?

Or is that what the US 'Free Trade Agreement' would like Australian ISP's to do? Seems Aussie ISPs are coming under more pressure to behave more like police, which will drive up their costs.

demosthenes writes...

Does Internode secretly monitor our brainwave patterns and report these to the RIAA, CIA, FBI, ASIS or ASIO to implicate anyone being naughty?

If we did, do you think we'd keep saying "well, log a fault with helpdesk because we can't read your mind?".

Sgt Doofey writes...

Try the UseNet. Much better than torrents
Not necessarily. It has its negatives too.

Matthew Moyle-Croft writes...

"well, log a fault with helpdesk because we can't read your mind?".

No, that's because my tin foil hat is clearly working.

Sammy1 writes...

Not necessarily. It has its negatives too.

Like what

demosthenes writes...

No, that's because my tin foil hat is clearly working.

Tin foil doesn't work. You need cow dung to avoid the brain rays.

--Joe-- writes...

Does Internode throttle your internet connection when taking part in P2P file sharing

i can't even count how many times this question has been asked

Sammy1 writes...

Not necessarily. It has its negatives too.

Yep like short "retention" times and absolutely pathetic file naming on a lot of files.
If you know what you want to get then it is passable, but torrent sites often provide better descriptions and it is generally easier to browse by category.

aliali writes...

Yep like short "retention" times and absolutely pathetic file naming on a lot of files.
If you know what you want to get then it is passable, but torrent sites often provide better descriptions and it is generally easier to browse by category.

Don't know where you have been looking I can read the file names fine.

You don't like it don't use it simple.

He doesn't... but ssshhhh, don't tell him most torrents are just recycled form USENet anyway.

User 230757 writes...

Don't know where you have been looking I can read the file names fine.

You don't like it don't use it simple.

demosthenes writes...

He doesn't... but ssshhhh, don't tell him most torrents are just recycled form USENet anyway.

Actually I do know that demosthenes, but thank you for the patronising comment.

I actually do use Usenet if I know exactly what I am looking for, but I find it irritating when misleading or inaccurate file names are used.
Eg you download a tv show only to find the damn thing has fixed foreign language subtitles that cannot be turned off, yet this was not mentioned in the filename.
Or even a tv show that is dubbed in German or French, but again no mention of this in the filename.

demosthenes writes...

He doesn't... but ssshhhh, don't tell him most torrents are just recycled form USENet anyway

I beg to differ. I can point you to one particular private torrent site that has a large customer base. It will often have scene releases up a good 3 to 4 hours before Usenet sites list them. I use NZBSRUS and Merlins Portal for Usenet searching and the trusty private torrent site beats them all the time.
Don't get me wrong I utilise both methods and do prefer Usenet over Torrents but when it's up and there for the taking I will take whoever releases it first. And 95% of the time it's the torrent site.
I may be looking in the wrong Usenet search engines but I thought the two I have mentioned would be up there with the best of them.

Cheerio!!

aliali writes...

Eg you download a tv show only to find the damn thing has fixed foreign language subtitles that cannot be turned off, yet this was not mentioned in the filename.

Let me get this straight, you want to steal something, but are complaining about the quality of what it is you are stealing??

yeah, I'd complain to Consumer Affairs if I were you :-)

Use private torrent sites then, you won't have this problem.

Don't really see the point of a flame war between Usenet and torrents. I use both (on Internode/Agile ADSL2+). I think they are both useful for different things. Generally if it's something new and/or popular, Usenet is the way to go. Ultra fast downloads and no uploading.

If something you're looking for is ancient though, or obscure, then Usenet might not have it. Then torrents are your best bet. So basically, Usenet is my first port of call but then I'll revert to torrents if Usenet doesn't have it.

Also, some communities focus more on one medium than another. Anime springs to mind ... they do have some Usenet releases, but generally the anime community tends to release on IRC and torrent in most cases.

Use the tool that suits your needs best :)

dustintheshelves writes...

Let me get this straight, you want to steal something, but are complaining about the quality of what it is you are stealing??

Stealing deprives the person it was stolen from, use of what was stolen.

Copying doesnt.

Edit: Not saying its right or wrong to do it, but looks like mass marketing works on you

Knyghtlorde writes...

Stealing deprives the person it was stolen from, use of what was stolen.

Copying doesnt.

I like your logic.

Techn1x writes...

I like your logic.

Its not a case of logic.

As pointed out multiple times, copyright infringement is a civil matter, whereas stealing isnt.

McLuvin writes...

I beg to differ. I can point you to one particular private torrent site that has a large customer base. It will often have scene releases up a good 3 to 4 hours before Usenet sites list them.

I would also have to agree with McLuvin as he most likely/possibly is a member of the same torrent private tracking site as I am with it's very large customer base. I would get my scene releases sometimes up to a couple of days before the Usenet sites list them. And I do use Usenet services as well.

It's just that good private trackers do/can get their scene releases very early. But I do use both methods regularly.

Cheers

Dizz writes...

i can't even count how many times this question has been asked

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=internode+shape+p2p+site%3Awhirlpool.net.au

If one wanted to measure P2P shaping, Vuze / Azureus has developed a plug-in called Network Status Monitor (http://azureus.sourceforge.net/plugin_details.php?plugin=aznetmon) that monitors one form of P2P shaping – resetting tcp connections.
This can help answer P2P shaping questions in future

Does Internode secretly monitor our brainwave patterns and report these to the RIAA, CIA, FBI, ASIS or ASIO to implicate anyone being naughty?

Or is that what the US 'Free Trade Agreement' would like Australian ISP's to do? Seems Aussie ISPs are coming under more pressure to behave more like police, which will drive up their costs.

Technically they could if they wanted to according to their privay policy (but this is the standard thing for all isps):

"We may, in our discretion, retain and access any data or information concerning your use of the Supplies. "

"We will not disclose personal information or any other information or data held by us about you to a third party unless:

3.1 we have reason to suspect that unlawful activity has been, is being or may be engaged in, and we disclose this information as a necessary part of our investigation of the matter or in reporting our concerns to relevant persons or authorities; or

3.2 we are required or specifically permitted by or under law to provide this information to an authority or person that is duly authorised to request it; or

3.3 a court order compels us to disclose this information to a specified recipient; "

Seemed like a good time to slip in a bit from 1984 There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork.

--Joe-- writes...

I have a 1500/256 connection and some of my files are D/L at super slow speeds

Ive got the same connection speed and I hit max speeds on popular torrents. Try downloading torrents with heaps of peers.

See if you've capped your torrent client too and see if you've port forwarded correctly.

Some people cap their upload speeds too.

demosthenes writes...

Use private torrent sites then, you won't have this problem.

True but then you'll get kicked out if you dont seed a ratio of 1:1 for unpopular torrents.

DaBaDee writes...

you'll get kicked out if you dont seed a ratio of 1:1 for unpopular torrents.

not true... some are incredibly difficult to see, others are dead easy. It's overall seed ratio that matters too, not for particular torrents.

Also look up USENet – Internodes news server.

DaBaDee writes...

True but then you'll get kicked out if you dont seed a ratio of 1:1 for unpopular torrents.

I suppose it depends on the rules?

Knyghtlorde writes...

Stealing deprives the person it was stolen from, use of what was stolen.

Deprives the copyright holder of royalties.

Copying doesnt.

Yes it does.

Edit: Not saying its right or wrong to do it, but looks like mass marketing works on you

No it doesn't, I just don't complain about the quality.

you get what you pay for – lol!

dustintheshelves writes...

No it doesn't, I just don't complain about the quality.

Marketing has convinced you that downloading a movie = stealing/theft.

It doesnt, its copyright infringement.

Read up on it.

It is theft.. I mean, I picked up a newspaper in a cafe today, and read it without buying my own copy of the paper. I'm still reeling with guilt and remorse.

demosthenes writes...

It is theft.

No, it's not. Just because AFACT et al claim that it is doesn't make it true.

You might want to have a read of /forum-replies.cfm?t=1026807 where this sort of thing was discussed at length.

Question has been answered and thread is now drifting offtopic. Closed.