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Hey everyone! To me it looks like part of the reason 3 have dramatically bought down the price of the Nokia N95 8gb is to compete with not having the iPhone 3G on July 11th (my stupid opinion anyway!) My question to everyone is, let's put these two phones head to head. Which do you think is better and for what reasons. I'm sure a lot of people who are currently on 3 are debating which to go for. I'll state straight up that please let's keep posts factual rather than saying that one phone is better 'cos it just is' :P Cheers everyone!! :) |
posted 2008-Jul-4, 11pm AEST
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User #121322 1987 posts
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IMO iPhone is much better. Having a n95 8gb in my house I can tell you apart from the nice specs the phone is just a phone. On the other hand the iphone is totally different. The 3.5" touchscreen and OSX are so much better to use. I would rater the iphone any day. That's why I'm getting one :D |
posted 2008-Jul-4, 11pm AEST
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User #199438 64 posts
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Photos – Far better on N95 Winner by far is the N95, a way older phone lol. The 3G iPhone isnt even out yet... |
posted 2008-Jul-4, 11pm AEST
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User #29911 4543 posts
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Winner by far is the N95. A way older phone lol really? but does the n95 have an apple logo on it? |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 12am AEST
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User #24176 453 posts
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Photos – Far better on N95 Games – N95 (Java and Symbian games and emulation plus 3d graphics accelerator hardware and TV-out) Music – N95 (more than just sound quality which is fine on both phones, N95 has more features such as stereo speakers and wireless stereo headphones) |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 12am AEST
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User #24176 453 posts
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really? but does the n95 have an apple logo on it? ding ding ding!!!! hehe |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 12am AEST
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User #199438 64 posts
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I'd say iPhone, again because of it's glorious 3.5" touch screen and the games that use the accelerometer N95 has games that use its accelerometer as well. You keep mentioning the screen so I will edit my post to include a screen category. The iPod interface is still untouchable. This is an opinion, please stay factual like the topic starter asked please let's keep posts factual rather than saying that one phone is better 'cos it just is |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 12am AEST
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User #29911 4543 posts
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ding ding ding!!!! i reckon if apple put a logo on a rock.. the fanbois would say the rock is better than the n95 |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 12am AEST
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User #63364 751 posts
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i reckon if apple put a logo on a rock.. the fanbois would say the rock is better than the n95 hahahaha, contender for post of the year that one! |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 12am AEST
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User #94314 1001 posts
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hmmm....I thought having the apple logo on it was a bad thing??? :P |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 12am AEST
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User #129945 122 posts
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Display – N95 (tv out looks way better than any mobile phone screen, great for sharing photos with a room full of family members. Also stream media over wifi on different displays) wtf??? ehh excuse me but we're talking about a mobile product here. Unless you're going to carry a TV around with you then honestly the n95's screen sux compared with the iphone. ( i have the n95 8gb...using it now infact AND i have an ipod touch too so i can tell you that the n95's screen sux). Photos – Far better on N95 again, if you're that picker about photos, get a real camera. If you know much about photography then you'll know that all sensors on ANY current or soon to be released phone is FAR crappier than a normal DC. N95's photos are higher res. So what? It doesn't make much of a difference when you have to resize it to 800x600 so you won't notice the noise as much. Video recording – N95 agreed. But iphone does have 3rd party software that records video. I'm sure the 3G iphone will too. And yes, it's not as good and it won't be as good as the N95. Music – N95 (more than just sound quality which is fine on both phones, N95 has more features such as stereo speakers and wireless stereo headphones) you have GOT TO BE JOKING. It has a damn ipod inside. Just the user friendliness of it wins by a mile. And believe me, the audio quality on the ipod's are better. More crisp and not distorted by a slight over the top bass(like on the n95) PC connection / networking – N95 (just works, no itunes for people who dont like itunes and people who dont like to be forced to use itunes. Also simply drag and drop any files just like a normal windows folder. Also send files over bluetooth) There's room for argument in here. I don't have an iphone but i do have an ipod touch and it syncs a lot easier and MUCH faster than the n95 8gb. Come on!! don't pretend you don't notice how slow the n95 8gb is when transferring stuff to it's onboard memory???? ~800KB/SECOND!! it takes a few minutes to transfer hundreds of mp3's to my ipod compared to the HOUR+ to transfer the same amount to my n95 8gb. And this point also applies to the "Music" aspect too. Compatibility with software / media file formats – N95 obviously you've havn't had experience jail-breaking or heard of the up coming app store. Games – N95 (Java and Symbian games and emulation plus 3d graphics accelerator hardware and TV-out) agreed for NOW. The iphone has a lot of upcoming games and they just about all use the 3D capabilities of the iPhone. (they have similar 3d chips -iphone/n95). And tell me, how many games on the n95 actually uses it? believe it or not .. NONE of the n-gage games actually uses all of the device's 3d power. Sadly, the games that do use it properly are all made by 3rd parties and there isn't much either. And please don't talk about crappy java games. You can search and have a look at all the up coming games for the iphone/ipod touch and you'll see that java games and even current n-gage games are behind the iphone's soon to be released games (crash bandixxxx racing, a 3d RPG game, monkeyball, etc etc which ALL use OpenGL ES 3d acceleration) Am patiently waiting for your response. EDIT: I too am wondering whether or not to get the iphone 3G or just keep my n95 8gb. What I can tell you guys is the only reason that's making me stay with my n95 is the ability or use a BT keyboard. (it's more convenient than carrying a laptop for me). So in reality, so far the iphone lacks 3rd party accessories. Well not as much as the nokia phone's anyway but that is understandable considering how 'new' the iphone is compared to nokia's. Until the iphone get's better accessories, then I'm just going to have to stick with my n95 :(. Or even get a *yuck* winmobile phone later on. |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 4am AEST
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User #108494 1880 posts
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apple's sound quality sucks |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 10am AEST
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User #199438 64 posts
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honestly the n95's screen sux compared with the iphone Here you are talking about the screen and the iPhone won the screen category. Someone earlier was talking about displaying photos, and the N95 8gb can do that better through tv-out. again, if you're that picker about photos, get a real camera. Convergence on technology for the win! I am very happy with my N82's camera (only slightly better than the N95 camera). My digital camera is now in my shed gathering dust. you have GOT TO BE JOKING. It has a damn ipod inside. Just the user friendliness of it wins by a mile. And believe me, the audio quality on the ipod's are better. When you are talking about the user friendliness, you are talking about the interface category. The winner of the interface category is the iphone. This thread is all about the iPhone and N958gb going head to head. This does not mean that you can use other winning categories to try and justify winning the current category in discussion. Your audio quality on the iphone statement is an opinion. Personally I have no preference on audio quality between the two, but other people have the opinion that apples audio quality sucks. obviously you've havn't had experience jail-breaking or heard of the up coming app store. Actually the only iPhones I have used have been jailbreaked. The N95 supports far more file formats and software types. |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 11am AEST
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User #140496 222 posts
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apple's sound quality sucks Agreed. And, shall we not forget MMS capability. And at that other guy above, we're not talking about OPINIONS here, we're talking about actuality between the two devices. Who cares if you wouldn't use the camera on the N95? We're talking about what seperates the two devices, and N95 has an amazing camera for such a small electronic device. The only thing the iPhone (i have a first gen unlocked) has going for it is the big apple logo on the back, the touchscreen and the interface. Above that, the N95 wins hands down. The n-gage area on the N95 is excellent, they've been in the market for a while now, and they have a few good 3D games out for it already. No doubt that the iPhone will get AppStore and all that is associated with it, but the N95 has unrestricted access to installing things. That's another point on why I'd prefer the N95, an open SDK and the ability to install what you want, regardless of what Nokia wants on the device. The Apple AppStore will be filled with pointless moderation getting rid of anything that they dislike, however, on the N95, nokia can NOT control the content going onto devices (and the symbian signing system works well with locking viruses out). |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 11am AEST
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User #10301 349 posts
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I've used both (n95 and 2G iPhone), and based on that IMHO: Photos – N95 GPS -N95 given the choice of gps apps available now. Music – iPhone because of iTunes and the display. Sound quality is slightly clearer on the iPhone, dynamic range seems much better, but the n95 sounds punchier and cleaner (IMHO). Interface – iPhone definitely. It's quicker (the 2G version at least). The qwerty keyboard is a pleasure to use compared to a phone pad and switching from 3G/GPRS to wifi is seamless. PC connection / networking – iPhone on a mac. probably N95 on a PC. Screen – iPhone, yep, definitely. MMS, Voicedial, Bluetooth, Modem, Video, Radio – N95 Web Browsing: Iphone, no question. Email: iPhone (although, no free push email except for flakey yahoo, but makes up for it with the display). Widgets (Weather, Finace etc): iPhone. So overall for me, iPhone is ahead provided you don't want the features which are missing. |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 11am AEST
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User #130860 44 posts
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if you're picky about photos get a real camera? |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 11am AEST
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User #199438 64 posts
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Music – iPhone because of iTunes and the display. Sound quality is slightly clearer on the iPhone, dynamic range seems much better, but the n95 sounds punchier and cleaner (IMHO). Your iTunes comments are an opinion. So many people dont like itunes and so many people dont like to be forced to use itunes. Regarding the display, the iphone won the screen category and the interface category. You are using other categories that the iPhone won to try and justify the iphone winning this category. Email: iPhone (although, no free push email except for flakey yahoo, but makes up for it with the display). All my different email accounts work fine on my N82 (same as N95) and its free. Again the display is a different category. Web Browsing: Iphone, no question. I'd give web browsing category to iPhone, but not without question. Flash support and other software type support that makes internet browsing better goes to N95... Widgets (Weather, Finace etc): iPhone. Why the iPhone? There is no clear winner as the N95 has widgets that do all this as well. You would have to say this category is a draw. |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 11am AEST
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Agreed. And, shall we not forget MMS capability. And at that other guy above, we're not talking about OPINIONS here, we're talking about actuality between the two devices. Who cares if you wouldn't use the camera on the N95? We're talking about what seperates the two devices, and N95 has an amazing camera for such a small electronic device. The only thing the iPhone (i have a first gen unlocked) has going for it is the big apple logo on the back, the touchscreen and the interface. Above that, the N95 wins hands down. The n-gage area on the N95 is excellent, they've been in the market for a while now, and they have a few good 3D games out for it already. No doubt that the iPhone will get AppStore and all that is associated with it, but the N95 has unrestricted access to installing things. That's another point on why I'd prefer the N95, an open SDK and the ability to install what you want, regardless of what Nokia wants on the device. The Apple AppStore will be filled with pointless moderation getting rid of anything that they dislike, however, on the N95, nokia can NOT control the content going onto devices (and the symbian signing system works well with locking viruses out). Boom headshot. touch screen not interested, wow lets spread 2 fingers outwards on a (average) pic and zoom in pfft. Having owned the ggrand daddy of the smart phones (nokia 6600) it blew me away what you could do with it. The sole reason why I chose the n95-8gb is because it's the S60 OS and the 5mp camera. In the right conditions it takes the best pic's for a phone. S60 has heaps of apps that are amazing and usefull, and works. Before you go and rant on about 'if your serious about pic's take a proper digital camera' bull$hit, I dont want to take one with me everywhere I go. It comes out on special occasions where needed. I'm certainly not gonna have phone and camera when cycling to the park with the kids or the beach or even the shops where my boys wanna ride on the kids train. Granted the iphone looks great, but, looks are the last thing on my mind when purchasing anything. Function over form wins it for me everytime. Otherwise its sad that ppl buy stuff cause it looks good. Having said all of that this is my opinion and should be taken with a pinch of salt.....in the end it doesn't mean anything to anyone in their lives. Just mine. |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 11am AEST
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User #152908 2254 posts
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I *always* see the non removable battery as a bad thing when listed. I know people do carry a spare battery for their phones (Ive never seen it but I know some people out there do) I have never ever had any reason to swap out a battery or even replace one. So this point is completely irrelevant to alot of people as Im sure the majority of people dont carry around a spare battery. |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 12pm AEST
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User #116848 212 posts
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i think we are missing the size and weight of the phone. iphone wins in that department. i never could understand why Iphone was so hyped considering the best phone out atm is the I900 Omnia which will eat both iphone and N95 for breakfast. |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 12pm AEST
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User #43787 120 posts
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To all that arguing about the TV out giving the N95 the edge in the display area: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1454 So that leaves MMS, Taking (theoretically) better photos, and video recording for the N95 to win at. Surely the actual usability of the thing has to come into account, at present I have an N95-3 and E65 and both are slow as, 2-3 seconds at least to open each screen (SMS, Apps etc) Symbian is (or the devices are) just too slow. Can somebody who has used an iPhone state if opening the different apps (Photos, SMS, Calendar etc) is quicker than an N95? |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 12pm AEST
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User #142840 124 posts
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Thats just your particular phone. My N95 has no delay issues whatsoever with opening anything. Everything opens within a second except for the GPS program which takes a few seconds more but that's to be expected. And to all people who say the N95 only gets slow when you clog it up, think again? My SD card is 200mb away from full, 4gb, and no issues yet. |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 1pm AEST
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User #199438 64 posts
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one of the improvements that the N95 8gb and N82 had over the original N95 is double the RAM. This vastly improved the speed of the operating system. I have no delays on my N82 and I presume thats the same for the N95 8gb. |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 2pm AEST
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User #140496 222 posts
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To all that arguing about the TV out giving the N95 the edge in the display area: You've got to buy the AV out seperately for $50 AU. N95 comes with them in the box. |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 2pm AEST
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User #23947 890 posts
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well for me. Once you use a touch screen phone you can't go back.. So iphone to me kills the n95.. Plus the n95 is way too thick.. the phone has to be thin to feel nice in the pocket... iphone does this nicely. |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 3pm AEST
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User #6759 539 posts
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iTunes is THE reason I will never buy any sort of ipod again. I've had 3 of them previously and just hate iTunes with a passion. I much prefer dumping my music straight on to the SD card with my N95. Granted the iphone is on a winner with it's looks and slick interface but as many posters have pointed out – functionality is what's more important to me. I'll take my $150 bluetooth stereo headphones to the Apple store and ask them how I can use them with their iphone. Would be interesting to see if they would tell the truth. |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 3pm AEST
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User #171098 78 posts
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Ok so lets point out some facts that more directly compare the two: The iPhones processor is faster than the one found in the N95 The N95 has a dedicated 3D accelerator the iPhone does not The iPhone has up to 2 x the storage capacity of the N95 The iPhone is built upon a more advanced operating platform, making POTENTIAL software more advanced. On this S60 software is also notoriously difficult to develop and as I understand it the iPhone has more developers even though the SDK has only recently been launched. However S60 does appear to be a more open platform with what developers are allowed to do with their software. The N95 allows proper multitasking, the iPhone is capable of it and it does to some extent but Apple block it to a large degree. The iPhone is Tri Band UMTS being 850 1900 and 2100 The iPhone has more dynamic memory (from memory at least) The iPhone HAS a touch screen The N95's camera IS better and HAS a flash. iPhones display is not only larger but has 50% more pixels. Both phones support exchange so the point of free push email in null. The N95 supports video calling The N95 supports MMS The N95 supports Video Recording The iPhone supports full HTML email The web browsers between the two are based on the same engine, the iPhone does some stuff better in this regard (user interface) but the N95 supports flash lite. The iPhone supports visual voicemail. The iPhone syncs with iTunes, this has been mentioned as a negative, which is understandable, but is also a positive for a lot of people, if we are supposedly sticking to the facts then this argument is nulled, both phones sync with a computer period. However the iPhone does support iTunes DRM'd material (only mattering to some obviously) which the N95 does not. iPhone supports Macs properly N95 supports far more bluetooth profiles such as A2DP and bluetooth HID's I don't believe there is a clear cut winner, they are two different products aimed at two different markets. They both have they're advantages and disadvantages. even on hardware alone neither has it entirely and the OS/Software side muddy it up even further. For my money it would be the iPhone, the user interface being the major draw card (though not much of a fan of that keyboard – but still better than the N95) but also the software capabilities of the phone look pretty well out of the league of ANY other phone on the market. Yes there isn't a huge amount available yet but with very high consumer and thus developer adoption combeined with advanced underlying OS the 3rd party software looks to be the real trump card. |
posted 2008-Jul-5, 3pm AEST
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User #163079 4 posts
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crap iphone 3g vs awesome n95 8gb(which I chose to buy over the iphone) Why iphone is crap- 1. No Video recording or video calling on a 3G ??? Why God Why... do apple make such terrible design flaws!! 2. Only 2 megapixel camera which is worse than many older phone models. Why would anyone choose to put in such a crappy camera in a new phone I cant understand. 3. No removable battery (This is a huge let down for me cos I am one of them who is 24/7 on the phone playing games or music or browsing and I need the option of spare batteries) come on!! 4. GPS maps uses google maps(temp cache memory used for maps) so you need constant data download unlike Nokia maps which has saved maps 5. No Flash support although newer than n95, you would expect that especially when the claim it is a "Revolutionary mobile phone" 6. No mp3 ringtones (what kind of a moron decided on this at apple :( 7. Who the hell would choose to use itunes when, with n95 you can transfer music as though it is a external hard disk. 8. Someone said the TV out is useless, Come on seriously, I have been able to show some awesome vids at my friends parties on the "40 inch or so" LCD rather them all of them having to crowd on a 3.5 inch screen. This is just awesome with the n95, people need to realise that. 9. Again in a "Revolutionary mobile phone" how can they leave out Voice dialling ... seriously what were they thinking. 10 I alomost forgot the last thing... have any iphone worshipers tried using bluetooth to connect to your comp or to another mobile yet?? Let me know what a "wonderful" experience you have!! (pun intended) If you havent figured it out yet then here goes: Quote: ha ha ha .. I really hope you got a money back guarantee for your iphones. All I can say is that whoever in their right minds says the iphone is better in IMHO is one of the "fanbois" as stated below.. ding ding ding!!!! hehe i reckon if apple put a logo on a rock.. the fanbois would say the rock is better than the n95 |
posted 2008-Jul-13, 2pm AEST
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User #5620 319 posts
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Can someone please post their experiences with the N95 8GB with browsing web pages (eg wikipedia, theage, slashdot, and of course whirlpool :-) ) with HSDPA on, say, the three network? Cheers |
posted 2008-Jul-13, 3pm AEST
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User #93857 6 posts
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I have a Nokia N95 8gb (running HSDPA on 3 network) and I've also used the Iphone 3G for several hours at the Apple Store (using 3G via telstra and also vodaphone), directly comparing load times for web pages. The short answer: they are the same using built-in browsers, but N95 with Opera Mini completely outshines the Iphone. Every website using Opera Mini takes a few seconds to load – while on the Iphone I was waiting up to 30 seconds for a webpage to load. Zzz. I was about to buy the Iphone, actually, until I compared them directly! So to clarify, the Iphone's safari browser is basically a similar speed (over 3G and wifi) as the built-in browser on the N95. Except the N95 has Flash support (although let's be honest, watch a video or two and the browser crashes because its memory fills up). HOWEVER, and it's a GIANT however, if you've ever used Opera Mini on N95 you'll know how quick it is (because it uses server-side optimisation) and it just doesn't compare to the pathetic performance of Iphone's safari or the N95 built-in browser. I spend around an hour browsing the 'net on my N95 a day, and I'd go mad browsing at Iphone speeds. :-( Darn it, I really want to buy an Iphone too!!!! (I've searched the web but there doesn't appear to be any plans for a version of Opera Mini for the iphone, nor are there any competing browsers that use server-side optimisation to achieve similar speeds. Zzz.) |
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User #17537 36 posts
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"The iPod interface is still untouchable" Think about that for statement a bit. Heh. |
posted 2008-Jul-17, 9am AEST
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User #17537 36 posts
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Ok. I'm in the same Dilemma – 3G Iphone or Nokia N95 8gb? A few questions... - which one has the better calendar / organiser? - I love all the iphone apps – especially Remote - If I went with the nokia, i'd go for one of the 3 Networks plans – possibly $49/month with free phone. Anyone on that plan? Know how much data you get a month? cheers J.W. *UPDATE* Slow day at work so I've been able to do a bit more research.... - There are a few Symbian apps that will do the iphone "remote" trick on the n95, Salling Clicker or Phonetunes being the main ones. Not as slick as remote on iphone, but seems to work ok. Maybe Apple will get it completely right with the 3rd Generation iphones, which going by their track record is usually the way it works. |
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User #216292 21 posts
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I use salling clicker to control my computer occasionally. Has built in scripts for itunes, media player and powerpoint. You can also download winamp and some other script plugins. |
posted 2008-Jul-17, 1pm AEST
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User #38853 200 posts
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yeah please don't use the iphone remote as a reason to get iphone. Like Maestro said Salling Clicker works splendid even on the Nokia E65 which is ancient compared to the iphone. You can lock the computer when you walk away, mute speakers when an incoming call, unmute when you hang up, notify you on screen who is calling etc. More features of Salling clicker can be found here: http://mye65.blogspot.com/20 Also Nokia has their wireless presenter application for free to download which can be used with E65 or N95 and i guess most nokia phones. Download the wireless presenter here: |
posted 2008-Jul-30, 5pm AEST
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