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When will Internode launch an IPTV service?

Also, will Internode carry Al-Jazeera International on any future IPTV service? I really hope you do.

In the time being could Internode provide an unmetred video stream of Al-Jazeera International? From what I understand the channel is provided free on the Optus C1 Satellite.

Team Infidel writes...

In the time being could Internode provide an unmetred video stream of Al-Jazeera International?

Lodge a ticket is going to be the best thing to do as this is not a support forum.

From what I understand the channel is provided free on the Optus C1 Satellite.

Not sure what bearing that has but the data still costs money to get to you.

Team Infidel writes...

From what I understand the channel is provided free on the Optus C1 Satellite.

Yup, it is.

Is there any chance of this being put up unmetered Kingsley, Simon, Michael?

Team Infidel writes...

could Internode provide an unmetred video stream of Al-Jazeera International

Yes would be nice as foxtel has not made it available yet.

how about putting some channels up in english?

StupidHSF writes...

how about putting some channels up in english?

What! Ludacris!

We can't have that, multiculturalism FTW ! :P

But your idea may have some merit.

StupidHSF writes...

how about putting some channels up in english?

There's an english version of Al Jazeera as well isn't there?

Carl B writes...

There's an english version of Al Jazeera as well isn't there?

This article say that Al-Jazeera English has a local QLDer, Dan Nolan, covering Australia.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/tv--radio/aljazeera-reveals-australia-plans/2006/11/17/1163266754914.html

So yes having the Al-Jazeera English available via node would be great.

Carl B writes...

There's an english version of Al Jazeera as well isn't there?

The english version is what we were after :D.

Knyghtlorde writes...

Not sure what bearing that has but the data still costs money to get to you.

It does cost money, but is much cheaper if it is mirrored.

I don't think anyone is asking for a High Definition version, but rather a simple streaming video version at 256kbps.

It would actually be a good pre-IPTV test to run such things.

Out of all the Channels, I would like the Cartoons one.

SnipSnap! writes...

I would like the Cartoons one.

Except for the fact those channels are owned by Rupert Murdoch and Co. and would cost a lot of money and therefore would only make sense on a real IPTV subscription service.

And do you really think Internode is going to waste exspensive gb's of bandwidth just so YOU can watch Free to Air Satellite TV!

Just spend a few dollars and get yourself a satellite receiver and pick up your Arab TV.

SnipSnap! writes...

Arab TV.

Arab TV?

I didn't know you were that ignorant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5_g-irU2CU

I think there is quite a lot of demand out there for news services that don't focus on Britney Spears or Paris Hilton and their knicker fiascos.

Team Infidel writes...

I think there is quite a lot of demand out there for news services that don't focus on Britney Spears or Paris Hilton and their knicker fiascos.

DW TV does not focus on them subjects.

SnipSnap! writes...

DW TV does not focus on them subjects.

No, but they focus on "Europe". Not a bad thing, but they don't have a full scope. Yes they're International, but they limit themselves. You can tell even with their weather reports... only Germany gets focused on.

Do you realise an Australian Journalist won Al-Jazeera's Journalist of the Year award? His name is Hamish MacDonald.

To say its "Arab-TV" shows you have never watched it.

SBS show it all the time thank you!

SnipSnap! writes...

SBS show it all the time thank you!

I know what DW-TV is, I watch it as well.... when I want to know what's going on in Europe. With shows like Euromaxx you cant go wrong.

SnipSnap! writes...

SBS show it all the time thank you!

SnipSnap, chillout man, if you don't want to watch it, then don't.

We do and want to see whether or not Internode will mirror a feed.

Peace.

mmmm I'd love a feed of the english Al Jazeera.

It was on in the hotel when we were in Hong Kong. Fantastic news coverage.

Not unless it brings great value to the service for internode customers

thetron writes...

Not unless it brings great value to the service for internode customers

It would bring me great value as it would help me in my quest to leave foxtel.

Would be great if node could offer DW, BBC and CNN aswell.

seb42 writes...

It would bring me great value as it would help me in my quest to leave foxtel.

Would be great if node could offer DW, BBC and CNN aswell.

Internode have said this is not going to happen now or with the current system

Not so.

Internode have not said that isnt going to happen.

Its just partially blocked on issues we do not control directly.

But we do remain at work on a number of paths in the IPTV realm and some of them, if successful, definitely do include CNN, BBC World etc.

We simply arent intending to make grandiose promises now, vs releasing something if and only if we can get it there. The work continues internally in this respect.

Simon

BBC and CNN would be absolutely great, if and when it does happen.

If Internode could provide some way to bypass regional restrictions, that would be great...

Ragingsheep writes...

If Internode could provide some way to bypass regional restrictions, that would be great...

how could they if they are set by the owner of the content?

Simon Hackett writes...

definitely do include CNN, BBC World etc.

Not Al Jazeera English that doesn't even ask for royalties?

who needs IPTV. just use youtube, justin.tv or p2p.

why watch tv on the net, it will be full of adds just like normal TV. and thats the reason i hate TV.

rrrohan writes...

why watch tv on the net, it will be full of adds just like normal TV. and thats the reason i hate TV.

I am unsure what you mean by that comment?

Are you thinking IPTV is watched in front of a computer or something?

IPTV is no different to other Pay TV except it is done over an IP network. You get a box just like Cable or Satellite TV and you plug it into your TV.

However, IPTV is a lot better because it potentially allows for more interaction. IPTV also has the advantage of not having "limited capacity" like Pay TV providers have today. The only capacity limitation of an IP network is bandwidth as not all channels are broadcast over the network at the exact same time like what happens today. Instead, users "request" a channel rather than "select" a channel.

So while Foxtel could be limited to only offering 200 channels over its cable infrastructure due to the capacity constraints of its cable... a company like Internode could offer THOUSANDS (not saying they will) because IP networks allow for much greater flexibility.

In regards to Al Jazeera, I wouldn't complain being able to watch it at 256kbps on my computer, and lots of other people wouldn't mind either.

Team Infidel writes...

I wouldn't complain being able to watch it at 256kbps on my computer, and lots of other people wouldn't mind either.

I watch all my TV from my computer. Dual LCD screens FTW.

It's the new delivery medium. Why not embrace it I say!

Team Infidel writes...

Are you thinking IPTV is watched in front of a computer or something?

oh ok thanks for clearing that up.

now you metion it i wouldnt mind a movie channel.

Internode could offer THOUSANDS (not saying they will) because IP networks allow for much greater flexibility.

90% would probaly be pr0n lol

rrrohan writes...

90% would probaly be pr0n lol

But thats what Internode is for isent it? :S
lol

SnipSnap! writes...

But thats what Internode is for isent it? :S
lol

not quite there is also Linux iso's :)

IPTV would be good so long as they priced it well since it would be using your download quota so thats somthing they would need to consisder

rrrohan writes...

IPTV would be good so long as they priced it well since it would be using your download quota so thats somthing they would need to consisder

It would have to be unmetred because IPTV would download at around 4mbps per channel.

If you are looking at what to do for IPTV looking at TPG would be a good start

Al-Jazeera in English, business fashion, sports (Euro), non-English channels and adult.

Best of all its free and uncapped.

Simon Hackett writes...

We simply arent intending to make grandiose promises now, vs releasing something if and only if we can get it there. The work continues internally in this respect.

Quite right. Realistically it's not going to happen until 90% of the population has a useable connection, i.e. at least 10mbps sustained, preferably double or triple that.

iforum writes...

Quite right. Realistically it's not going to happen until 90% of the population has a useable connection, i.e. at least 10mbps sustained, preferably double or triple that.

Um, I think all you need is about 2Mbps. It says somewhere on the TPG site. Might be a bit more but it's no where near 10Mbps. As I understand the way it works is that all channels are broadcast to the node (over optic fibre) to the exchanges. Then you just download the channel you want to watch, so the bandwidth that you use is way less than 2Mbps. Not sure if you can plug into more than one channel at a time but I assume you could as long as your ADSL connection could handle it.

Mr Bubbles writes...

Um, I think all you need is about 2Mbps.

Yes, the standard is 2 Mbps for SD and 8 Mbps for HD.

EDIT: That is for an MPEG stream so with good compression you could cut that down much more. 1 Mbps with good compression will give you a very good quality stream.

Glenn L writes...

and adult

Adult channels pose a problem because in some States X rated material is illegal, while in the ACT it is legal.

Pornography is illegal in parts of the Northern Territory due to the intervention.

Team Infidel writes...

Adult channels pose a problem because in some States X rated material is illegal, while in the ACT it is legal.

Pornography is illegal in parts of the Northern Territory due to the intervention.

Its not freely available, parental provision is needed, and like you said is not available in some states.

Too be honest i haven't enabled it so i cant tell you what it involves, but i have heard its pretty full on

iforum writes...

at least 10mbps sustained, preferably double or triple that.

just have reduced bit rate streams. not like 8mbps is going to be that bad. i can start playing decent quality YT video's within a few seconds of selecting video and i could watch YT quality. but obviously if your bluray and HD tv fanboy then your going to not like IPtv

iforum writes...

least 10mbps sustained, preferably double or triple that

I think my full HD video camera records at about 15Mbps for 1080i 50fps. So you should get 720p 24fps for a lot less than 10mbps. That's AVCHD. But who really needs to watch BBC World or CNN in HD? 480i or 480p would look great compared to what you get on youtube or even analoge TV for that matter.

Mr Bubbles writes...

But who really needs to watch BBC World or CNN in HD? 480i or 480p would look great compared to what you get on youtube or even analoge TV for that matter.

A 256kbps stream would do. Most people would at this stage be happy to watch it while doing work on their computer.

BBC World and CNN would likely cost Internode money (as they would require royalties). Channels such as Al-Jazeera and DW-TV normally offer themselves free as long as they have been notified.

Team Infidel writes...

Channels such as Al-Jazeera

wtf is this Al-Jazeera you speak of.

rrrohan writes...

wtf is this Al-Jazeera you speak of.

http://english.aljazeera.net/

Al Jazeera English, the 24-hour English-language news and current affairs channel, headquartered in Doha.

It has a lot of journalist who worked for major news org like BBC, ITN, CBC... and a least one QLDer.

From their code of ethics page.
http://english.aljazeera.net/aboutus/2006/11/2008525185733692771.html

1. Adhere to the journalistic values of honesty, courage, fairness, balance, independence, credibility and diversity, giving no priority to commercial or political considerations over professional ones.

2. Endeavour to get to the truth and declare it in our dispatches, programmes and news bulletins unequivocally in a manner which leaves no doubt about its validity and accuracy.

etc..

rrrohan writes...

wtf is this Al-Jazeera you speak of.

You don't know what Al-Jazeera is?

You must never watch the news. Most of the live video from Iraq during "shock and awe" came from Al-Jazeera with the other networks simply using it (even Fox News was using them) and shoving their own logos over the top.

There is a very low quality streaming Al-Jazeera link that you can watch: http://europe.real.com/smil/aljazeera_us_lo.smil (Real Player).

The problem with its that it is very low quality and it cuts out after 15 minutes which means you have to restart it.

Understanding a news bulletin runs for 30 minutes, that gets annoying.

Team Infidel writes...

You must never watch the news. Most of the live video from Iraq during "shock and awe" came from Al-Jazeera

I always associated Al-jezeera with arab news but its still pretty good, nice quality on tpg but not in widescreen

Glenn L writes...

I always associated Al-jezeera with arab news but its still pretty good, nice quality on tpg but not in widescreen

It is recorded in widescreen but before it is broadcast it is converted.

You cant even get it widescreen fresh from the satellite.

Personally I would rather Internode be putting their money into DSLAMS and infrastructure necessary to minimise the dependancy on Telstra. I like the idea of IPTV but is it any good for those us of on ADSL 1?

For ideas of content that will have the hordes streaming to node look no further than
http://www.cpfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/loginOrBuy?WT.mc_id=99pclosehpt

how about a channel dedicated to mma?

everyone loves seeing someone get smacked in the gob specially if it was Sol.

cpfc writes...

Personally I would rather Internode be putting their money into DSLAMS and infrastructure necessary to minimise the dependancy on Telstra.

Well they'll be banking all that money for a while due to the way the broadband industry is today.

Also, there is no real use investing in *new* DSLAM's until after the dust has settled regarding the FTTN stuff. No ISP these days has any assurances as to what is happening and this is why deployments have slowed down.

Hey.

I can't really see why Internode should do IPTV with Channels people will most likely not watch and will just add a strain onto their network.

If you offer people decent channels for a low price, ie $10 per month, I might see it happening, but otherwise its a pipe dream for the time being.

Better than that get in negotiations with Setanta to provide non-quota link. That is we still pay Setanta, but don't have it counted towards our bandwidth.

You will attract a good proportion of the soccer fans.

.:Ask:. writes...

I can't really see why Internode should do IPTV with Channels people will most likely not watch and will just add a strain onto their network.

So what you're saying is that IP networks cant handle the future?

Kind of like the old argument that ordinary people wouldn't ever need a computer in their house!

IP networks provide the flexibility for BETTER television services.

Team Infidel writes...

So what you're saying is that IP networks cant handle the future?

Kind of like the old argument that ordinary people wouldn't ever need a computer in their house!

IP networks provide the flexibility for BETTER television services.

And we saw how nicely that failed with reeltime.

.:Ask:. writes...

And we saw how nicely that failed with reeltime.

That was Video on Demand.

Surely you know the difference between the two models?

That is like comparing Box Office Movies to Showtime!

Team Infidel writes...

That was Video on Demand.

Surely you know the difference between the two models?

That is like comparing Box Office Movies to Showtime!

Yep, still, people won't watch what isn't decent or costs them extra money on top of something they are paying for already.

.:Ask:. writes...

Yep, still, people won't watch what isn't decent or costs them extra money on top of something they are paying for already.

You should tell that to Foxtel and Austar!

Team Infidel writes...

You should tell that to Foxtel and Austar!

As they aren't a add on product, have decent programing and their quality is decent i.e. FULL HD.

Team Infidel writes...

You should tell that to Foxtel and Austar!

Yes, but watching them doesnt chew through your quota, which is where the issue lies for IPTV or VOD

TPG's IPTV is quota free (even if you're capped)...so that shouldn't be a problem.

davidw89 writes...

TPG's IPTV is quota free (even if you're capped)...so that shouldn't be a problem.

The problem is that you have to be on TPG to get it :-P

Queeg 500 writes...

The problem is that you have to be on TPG to get it :-P

And it's TPG ADSL2+ users that get it.

No candy for TPG ADSL1 users :(

^^

Can we get a feed of Bloomberg for Financial Market news?

davidw89 writes...

TPG's IPTV is quota free (even if you're capped)...so that shouldn't be a problem.

"Because x does it, means everyon can do it" may not necessarily be true.

The inherent business model differences, target audiences, and data paths (to name a few) vary enough between organisations to make one service feasible on one network, but not necesarily on another

Would it be possible for TPG and Internode to form some sort of alliance that allows Internode customer to access Tpg's IPTV network?

davidw89 writes...

Would it be possible for TPG and Internode to form some sort of alliance that allows Internode customer to access Tpg's IPTV network?

I think thats a very good and smart idea. Internode Save Money Don't waste it on setting something up that could fail. use another provider and work with them.

seb42 writes...

From their code of ethics page.
http://english.aljazeera.net/aboutus/2006/11/2008525185733692771.html

is that spose to be funny

So, considering this thread is aging, I thought I would revisit it.

My suspicion is that internode may offer this by the end of the year?
(perhaps next tuesday) ;-) or maybe a update of selected music channels ;-)

cheers
macguy